In framing the debate it becomes a loss leader. He might lose money on the product itself, but through its lobbying power-slash-influence it gains money in other ways.
Case in point
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In framing the debate it becomes a loss leader. He might lose money on the product itself, but through its lobbying power-slash-influence it gains money in other ways.
Case in point
I think there's a point for some where power becomes a more interesting goal than money, but whether it's either, he has to be wondering if Trump getting away from him in the US is something that could be replicated here.
Wow, the Telegraph really have done a 180, haven't they?
So now the LNP are going after Tony Burke for his travel claims.
I can't wait to see reprisals EVERYWHERE over this. Travel claims could hopefully claim about 30 political scalps on both sides of the parliament.
That should bring the budget back into surplus.
Don't be silly; they can't count that high.
I can't wait to see reprisals EVERYWHERE over this. Travel claims could hopefully claim about 30 political scalps on both sides of the parliament.
That should bring the budget back into surplus.
Don't be silly; they can't count that high.
This sort of shows how shortsighted Abbott and Shorten are; they opened up this massive new witch hunt where their parties will be slogged by the media and public repeatedly. Anytime someone rises up now they can be destroyed by something that happened years ago.
Might be good though, clear out some of the patently unworthy career politicians squatting in Parliament House.
Might be good though, clear out some of the patently unworthy career politicians squatting in Parliament House.
I suppose that explains Jacqui Lambie and Leyonhelm as well.
Tony Pasin spent 500k. Impressive effort.
Not sure if this is sarcastic or not...I'll assume it isn't just to say that those two are senators and don't need to move unless they move out of the state.
But these two are new senators so it wouldn't be weird for them to have to properly fit out their own offices.
Senators serve six year terms after all and it's not like they're pocketing the money.
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I think it was more directed at the fact they are new senators so costs of establishing an office or whatever
Edit: damn you editing Arksy
Edit: damn you editing Arksy
I think it was more directed at the fact they are new senators so costs of establishing an office or whatever
Edit: damn you editing Arksy
I'm pathologically incapable of not hitting enter too early when I'm on my mobile.
Nah just that they're new and they need to set their offices up.
Wyatt Roy shifted within his electorate: http://www.caboolturenews.com.au/news/300000-for-office-fit-out/2693494/
Despite the defensive tone of the article, I don't have an issue with politicians doing this generally.
Despite the defensive tone of the article, I don't have an issue with politicians doing this generally.
Politicians do require money to you know live and work. I don't think that's particularly an issue. They also need an office and staff and other items in order to be effective.
There's a pretty big difference between not going for the cheapest possible option and going too far. For example I don't think we should force politicians to fly economy but catching a chopper for a short car ride is obviously moronic.
Also the thing that upsets me more than that is the fact that former MPs and senators are racking up expenses. They no longer work and therefore shouldn't need to claim anything. Their generous parliamentary pension should be enough.
There's a pretty big difference between not going for the cheapest possible option and going too far. For example I don't think we should force politicians to fly economy but catching a chopper for a short car ride is obviously moronic.
Also the thing that upsets me more than that is the fact that former MPs and senators are racking up expenses. They no longer work and therefore shouldn't need to claim anything. Their generous parliamentary pension should be enough.
Precisely.
If a minister is travelling to represent the country at a diplomatic level be it for trade or strategic alliances etc, then flying business class is appropriate.
If they bring their family then they should pay for their portion out of their own pocket.
If they bring staff then that is fine for official budget.
None of this is or should be controversial (although at the moment all we see are grand totals not breakdowns).
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Johns' is a world class nutter.
Tony Burke at it again!
Australia MP under fire for Robbie Williams, Uluru trips
Revenge is a powerful thing. Bourke as opposition house leader probably went in the hardest against BBishop and now he is copping it left right and centre in return.
Tony Burke at it again!
Australia MP under fire for Robbie Williams, Uluru trips
Revenge is a powerful thing. Bourke as opposition house leader probably went in the hardest against BBishop and now he is copping it left right and centre in return.
Coalition MP suggests property market risks creating kingdom of serfs and lords.
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/ub...sing-market-says-coalition-mp-20150804-gira9b
Coalition MP stops short of encouraging the proletariat to rise up and seize the means of production, "but if you're going to anyway, count me in"
Coalition MP: "It is not yet time to eat the rich. They must be dry aged first"
Coalition MP suggests party give a shit about something other than defending the interests of the rich.
Ok, sorry, that last one is too far fetched.
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/ub...sing-market-says-coalition-mp-20150804-gira9b
Coalition MP stops short of encouraging the proletariat to rise up and seize the means of production, "but if you're going to anyway, count me in"
Coalition MP: "It is not yet time to eat the rich. They must be dry aged first"
Coalition MP suggests party give a shit about something other than defending the interests of the rich.
Ok, sorry, that last one is too far fetched.
This strikes me as odd. I know there was that case in the UK along those lines but in Australia it would be state by state.
The UK can scarcely claim to be a liberal democracy these days anyway. The case was about a severely intellectually disabled person who had (and would keep having) a large number of children and she wasn't physically able to look after them.
It's pretty disgusting but it's not as bad as it sounds. They're not sterilising people with a limp.
I also forgot to include the part where intersex people were also allowed to be forcibly sterilised as well
hit me like a double whammy
I know they are not sterilising people with a limp; this is law largely based in eugenics of years yonder
bobnowhere
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Would make a great G/A/F
Not to mention, if you "did something good" in 1944 or 1945 and happened to be a Nazi, then the ship had long since sailed on having claim to any kind of morality.
They seem to at least acknowledge it, I think it's more of a way for them to reconcile the horror they probably felt when they found out their uncle was involved. It's a clumsy thing to say in public though.
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Welcome to the calibre of thinking going in the "none of the above" section of the Senate.
Windfarm 'wing nuts': Public health expert takes aim at activists
Yep even when they aren't even on. God only know what would happen to these people if they lived near a tall tree or even a building.
Windfarm 'wing nuts': Public health expert takes aim at activists
Yep even when they aren't even on. God only know what would happen to these people if they lived near a tall tree or even a building.
Wouldn't it depend on the prevalence of the phenomena. I mean if thousands of people are disturbed from reasons that are purely psychosomatic..why would that be any different to a real physical causative link.
We could easily figure that putting some heads on spikes outside some homes might have a negative psychological effects even though there's no real physical link.
If this is the idiosyncratic complaint of ons idiot it's obviously different but it seems like there is more to it.
Edit: damn it this post was meant to be less serious and more troll like. I hate mornings.
We could easily figure that putting some heads on spikes outside some homes might have a negative psychological effects even though there's no real physical link.
If this is the idiosyncratic complaint of ons idiot it's obviously different but it seems like there is more to it.
Edit: damn it this post was meant to be less serious and more troll like. I hate mornings.
If there is a link it's most likely stress-related. It's a problem for some people but it's nowhere near thalidomide.
Whether there's a link between that stress and actual production of noise is really, really hard to pin down at the moment. But enough people are complaining then it's worth looking into. The thing is though that plenty of people are already looking into it, the government doesn't need to get involved in the research. Relocation/treatment of susceptible people's home maybe, research no.
Whether there's a link between that stress and actual production of noise is really, really hard to pin down at the moment. But enough people are complaining then it's worth looking into. The thing is though that plenty of people are already looking into it, the government doesn't need to get involved in the research. Relocation/treatment of susceptible people's home maybe, research no.
There's a link between people telling people wind farms cause problems and people worrying that the wind farms near them are causing problems. There is also a link between worrying and health problems. No such problems are reported where there are no astroturfed anti wind campaigns.
Seems cut and dried to me? Not sure what the confusion is.
Seems cut and dried to me? Not sure what the confusion is.
Most likely. I don't hold the current Abetz people at all culpable for the crimes of their relatives but at the end of the day, their relative was a nazi cunt.
Hmm, so I guess conservatives can warp the space-time continuum and make panel shows news. I thought they were bluffing.
By that logic, The Greens are also claiming turtles:
The Pope:
and seals:
as "their own".
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