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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?

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Yagharek

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CFMEU office raided in Canberra as part of RC and AFP investigation.

Union statement says it's a waste of AFP resources when they are "stretched in dealing with more pressing issues in our community including terror related activities".

That's a gold star for deflection. Here I was thinking police resources and attention were stretched thin chasing wild geese terrorism herrings instead of saving about a dozen lives each week due to domestic violence.
 
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bomma_man

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Yagharek said:
CFMEU office raided in Canberra as part of RC and AFP investigation.

Union statement says it's a waste of AFP resources when they are "stretched in dealing with more pressing issues in our community including terror related activities".

That's a gold star for deflection. Here I was thinking police resources and attention were stretched thin chasing wild geese terrorism herrings instead of saving about a dozen lives each week due to domestic violence.
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well I mean I dunno what the AFP have to do with domestic violence to be fair. maybe they could get it in under the marriage power?
 
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bobnowhere

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Dryk said:
If Australia becomes a republic then the Commonwealth Games are down to a two horse race :p
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Leave the Commonwealth Realm where the Queen is Head of State (Canada, NZ, Jamica etc...) but still remain part of the Commonwealth of Nations (Malaysia, South Africa, India, Pakistan etc...) for those countries that have demonstrated ties to the British Empire.

Don't worry, we'll still be able to destroy all comers in the Comm. Games!
 
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Yagharek

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bomma_man said:
well I mean I dunno what the AFP have to do with domestic violence to be fair. maybe they could get it in under the marriage power?
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Haha maybe. Obviously it's a state police issue but terrorism is more the responsibility of ASIO isn't it?

AFP would have their hands busy with crimes like drug importation and organised crime, corruption eg in unions and those issues are far more common and serious than terrorism.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Yagharek said:
Haha maybe. Obviously it's a state police issue but terrorism is more the responsibility of ASIO isn't it?

AFP would have their hands busy with crimes like drug importation and organised crime, corruption eg in unions and those issues are far more common and serious than terrorism.
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ASIO functions mainly as an Intelligence Agency, they have extremely limited capability to detain and interrogate (when compared to the police*) and ASIO officers are usually unarmed. So its usually the responsibility of the AFP to do actual raids, etc.

*I suspect their warrants are granted more often but the circumstances in which they can apply are far narrower.
 
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Jintor

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nsw government fucking gutless bunch of cowards folding to the daily telegraph

i don't think i even have words to think how fucking evil the telegraph is being here, the self-righteous jackasses
 
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danm999

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Jintor said:
nsw government fucking gutless bunch of cowards folding to the daily telegraph

i don't think i even have words to think how fucking evil the telegraph is being here, the self-righteous jackasses
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My guess would be its Fred Nile who they folded to.

Gives them what they need to pass stuff through the Upper House in NSW.
 
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Yagharek

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danm999 said:
My guess would be its Fred Nile who they folded to.

Gives them what they need to pass stuff through the Upper House in NSW.
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At this point Labor and Liberals in NSW should just neuter the Fred Nile Terrorist Party and when it comes to any legislation where his vote is the decider, then they agree to seek a middle ground instead.

Adult co-operation instead of pandering to right wing christian bigots.
 
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ivysaur12

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True political courage from Julia Gillard.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...support-samesex-marriage-20150826-gj8k24.html

Gay marriage advocates have lashed former prime minister Julia Gillard for coming out in support of its legalisation two years after losing the power to do anything about it.

Ms Gillard voted against a bill for marriage equality in 2012 as prime minister, but told an audience in Melbourne on Wednesday she had changed her view that both heterosexual and same-sex couples should embrace civil unions.

"Given the 1970s feminist in me saw much to be concerned with from a gender perspective with traditional marriage, I thought the better approach was not to change the old but to create something new," she said during The Michael Kirby Lecture at Victoria University.

"In my time post-politics, as key countries have moved to embrace same-sex marriage, I have identified that my preferred reform direction was most assuredly not winning hearts and minds."

Ms Gillard said she assumed at the time the Coalition would have eventually allowed a conscience vote on the issue and marriage equality would have become law.

"My position would have been overtaken by history, something which would have caused me no heartburn," she said.

"Now, given the discussion of a plebiscite or a referendum, I find myself in a world where these assumptions have been upended."

Ms Gillard called for a conscience vote on the issue soon after the next election, and said she would vote in favour of same-sex marriage if she was still in parliament.
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So brave of her.
 
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Elaugaufein

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ivysaur12 said:
True political courage from Julia Gillard.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...support-samesex-marriage-20150826-gj8k24.html



So brave of her.
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To be fair to her I don't think anyone who was actually Labor leader at the time would have taken a different position (because they wouldn't have been Labor leader very much longer if they did). Rudd could only take the stance he did when he did because he knew he was their last best hope to save the furniture. Which doesn't exactly reflect well on the Labor party but that's the way it works.
 
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Aarglefarg

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Elaugaufein said:
To be fair to her I don't think anyone who was actually Labor leader at the time would have taken a different position (because they wouldn't have been Labor leader very much longer if they did). Rudd could only take the stance he did when he did because he knew he was their last best hope to save the furniture. Which doesn't exactly reflect well on the Labor party but that's the way it works.
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The party's position became in favour of marriage equality during her time as leader. I was saying from that point either she would be a marriage equality supporter going into the next election, or she would be replaced by someone who was.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Aarglefarg said:
The party's position became in favour of marriage equality during her time as leader. I was saying from that point either she would be a marriage equality supporter going into the next election, or she would be replaced by someone who was.
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I think calling their stance in favour is a bit generous. Even at their national conference this year, their stance is still conscience vote moving to party support in 2019.
 
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r1chard

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Omikron said:
To counter the NSW Education Minister... the Victorian Premier - https://www.facebook.com/DanielAndrewsMP/posts/936946469703223
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So people don't have to Facebook:
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Shaneus

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r1chard said:
So people don't have to Facebook:
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Holy shit. The best thing is, it doesn't sound like a vetted media release that's gone through a billion drafts and rewrites. Kudos to Mr. Andrews.

Edit: If Ackerman really did say there'd been "numerous complaints" but there had literally been none, is there grounds for the school to sue the paper for defamation or misinformation?
 
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Fredescu

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Crikey pointed out that The Tele has been attacking the education minister directly for a while.

Full article: http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/08/27/gayby-baby-scandal-confected-outrage-to-unseat-an-old-enemy/

In November 2013, a curious thing happened in New South Wales Parliament.

Education Minister Adrian Piccoli veered off-topic to condemn The Daily Telegraph for outing an affair former Labor premier Nathan Rees had had with a constituent. ”I take this opportunity to express my sympathy to the member for Toongabbie and to his wife for the appalling way they were treated in The Daily Telegraph yesterday,” he said.

“The way that Nathan Rees and, in particular, his wife have been treated is utterly appalling. I suggest there would be very few members of Parliament, or indeed members of the media, who could put up their hand and say that they have a perfect personal life. I express my sympathies to Nathan and to his family. In my humble opinion, it is a personal matter and should remain that way.”

This adds a curious dimension to the now-infamous Gayby Baby splash the Tele ran yesterday, which was highly critical of Piccoli, placing him at the centre of the controversy.
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The Tele has been after Piccoli for months. In June 2014, when Piccoli told the ABC he would, in the party room, argue against Premier Mike Baird's signature electricity sell-off policy, the Tele ran a front-page splash calling him a "dimwit". It illustrated the highly critical coverage with a list of "Piccoli's blues" since April 2012, listing the Education Minister's many supposed faults. That day's editorial called him "not the Coalition's brightest" and accused him of playing "socialist politics", in case the front page was too subtle for readers.

Earlier this month, the paper accused him of playing "truant" when he missed the first day of Parliament after the winter break -- his office said he was on "annual leave", but the Tele found out he was in Italy. In January 2014, the paper sent its European correspondent to tail Piccoli on a taxpayer-funded research trip to Finland -- they papped him dining, arriving, and beanie-shopping, after earlier coverage criticised him for taking the trip at all (part of a European trip to present a paper to the World Education Forum in London).

If Piccoli, one of the more left-leaning members of the Baird government, thought issuing a memo banning schools from showing the documentary during school hours would get the Tele off his back, he's singled out again today on the front page -- the star of a story on politicians of both sides taking taxpayer-funded "study tours" to "the world's best holiday hotspots".

For New South Wales parliamentarians, the lesson is clear -- criticise the Tele at your peril.
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So. That's worse still.
 
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bobnowhere

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I think I'm starting to understand the Coalition and Dyson Heydon's play here. Continue to postpone any decision so you never have to make one. It describes how the Coalition works quite succinctly really.

First it was last Friday, then he needed to weekend so Tuesday, then it blew out to Friday and now he needs another weekend and is due to report next Monday on whether he is dodgy or not.
 
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Dead Man

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bobnowhere said:
I think I'm starting to understand the Coalition and Dyson Heydon's play here. Continue to postpone any decision so you never have to make one. It describes how the Coalition works quite succinctly really.

First it was last Friday, then he needed to weekend so Tuesday, then it blew out to Friday and now he needs another weekend and is due to report next Monday on whether he is dodgy or not.
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Here's a tip Heydon. If it takes you 2 weeks to figure out if your actions are dodgy or not... they are dodgy.
 
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danm999

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bobnowhere said:
I think I'm starting to understand the Coalition and Dyson Heydon's play here. Continue to postpone any decision so you never have to make one. It describes how the Coalition works quite succinctly really.

First it was last Friday, then he needed to weekend so Tuesday, then it blew out to Friday and now he needs another weekend and is due to report next Monday on whether he is dodgy or not.
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As they saw with the Bishop saga though, that tends to compound the problem.

No wonder Abbott is off away somewhere in NT.
 
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Fredescu

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bobnowhere said:
I think I'm starting to understand the Coalition and Dyson Heydon's play here. Continue to postpone any decision so you never have to make one. It describes how the Coalition works quite succinctly really.

First it was last Friday, then he needed to weekend so Tuesday, then it blew out to Friday and now he needs another weekend and is due to report next Monday on whether he is dodgy or not.
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I wonder how it relates to the timing of the cancelled CFMEU police raid that the Herald Sun reported on as if it happened.
 
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Shaneus

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danm999 said:
As they saw with the Bishop saga though, that tends to compound the problem.
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Shit, that's a really good point. The more you delay something, the worse it will make you look. Hell, even I know that's a thing because with ADHD and procrastination, shit never gets easier to handle after time.
 
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danm999

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Shaneus said:
Shit, that's a really good point. The more you delay something, the worse it will make you look. Hell, even I know that's a thing because with ADHD and procrastination, shit never gets easier to handle after time.
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Tony has a style for crisis management you can begin to see after a while.

First, outright rejection/outrage and obstinance. Heydon's an impeccable individual and this is just the Unions and Bill Shorten making stuff up, he will not stand down. Bronwyn Bishop is a wonderful parliamentarian and this is just village gossip. The ABC has gone too far, heads will roll.

Then, weeks of silence.

Then the tone moderates. The Royal Commission will continue regardless of Heydon's decision. Bronwyn Bishop is on probation. Q&A can have frontbenchers on if they move to news.

Then capitulation. Bishop resigns. Frydenburg goes on Q&A. Heydon who knows. I'm guessing Canning has complicated things.
 
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