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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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Why are YOU bringing gender into the comments that were made when everyone can have a fat trap?
It's pretty fucked up how casual sexism like this barely goes unnoticed.
I'm amazed Warren Snowden is still in parliament I don't know why he still has per-selection.
Wait you think this is the equivalent to those?
It's certainly unprofessional and could be considered casual sexism but it isn't remotely like any of those.
I don't want to suggest that I approve of the behaviour, but that does not change the fact that everything you've brought up in comparison has been worse.
Might have been a different Mike that brought it to his attention.
Hey, I think there is decent likelihood that Snowdon is misogynist, and even that his outburst in particular was misogynist and not something he would say about a man. It ranks pretty low on your list of examples of explicit misogyny though, no? If you can establish a pattern of behaviour with Snowdon in the way that is obvious to everyone about Abbott, then I'll agree with you on that point.
This is an incredible over reaction.
Snowdon was rude, that's it. If we expected politicians to be polite, respectful (which we should, but we know they aren't) then it might stand out. But it isn't even on the same planet, let alone postcode, as the ones directed at Gillard, for example.
What the fuck, Queensland?
more broadly, what the fuck, Australia.
Why isn't this more prominent than any other domestic security issue?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...domestic-violence-victims/6767000?section=qld
more broadly, what the fuck, Australia.
Why isn't this more prominent than any other domestic security issue?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...domestic-violence-victims/6767000?section=qld
A daily reminder this was set up at the start of the year
http://www.theguardian.com/global/n...re-not-statistics-deaths-in-australia-in-2015
200 million cut to domestic abuse by this government, IIRC
while they awarded Rosie Batty australian of the year
never fucking forget
http://www.theguardian.com/global/n...re-not-statistics-deaths-in-australia-in-2015
200 million cut to domestic abuse by this government, IIRC
while they awarded Rosie Batty australian of the year
never fucking forget
When was that taken? Recently?Yeah, it's pretty bad. This screenshot of the Brisbane times front page did the rounds a fair bit:
Male violence is pretty bad.
Maybe if he would just shut his fat trap for a moment, he'd have time to deal with things like this.
The Libs closed 80 of the 100 womens refuges in NSW not long after they came to power here too.
Yesterday: https://twitter.com/alanvaarwerk/status/641773202381893632
Box of Bunnies
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No, the country is full of backwards, sexist, (racist and homophobic just to give you a couple more for free) fuckwits.
Abbott is exactly what the country voted for and what it deserves.
I think a whole bunch of reactionary idiots wanted to vote out "Juliar" and didn't think about the consequences.
As much as I hate him, Abbott was a great opposition leader (helped along hugely by a lazy and pathetic media). It's just that he's utterly failed to transfer that to being a Prime Minister, and even the almost explicit backing by our major media organisations are now failing to cover up his gaping shortcomings.
I think Bill Shorten said it best when he referred to him as the 'Opposition Leader-in-exile'.
RE: Peter Dutton. I honestly can't believe that those words came out of his mouth.
Like I'm fairly sure I heard those words come out of a Captain Planet villain when I was a kid, and now we have him saying them.
Let's be fair here Labor's leadership merry go round and constant destabilization from certain people within completely cannibalized them.
I just hope future Labor government can learn what went wrong with that government so that it doesn't happen again.
I wouldn't exactly call a mining boom Keating doing but he was definitely a pretty awesome treasurer.
Your very brave decision has ensured that Australia will never again be ravaged by the threat of boats.
Thank you and God bless.
well
at this point I'd rather turnball takeover > shorten
so I can't 100% blame you for that sentiment
why?
reptilescorpio
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Greens need to get their act together. One more year of Abbott and they could see some people defecting to them.
Not enough to form government or even win any seats outside of Bandt's.
Tim the Wiz
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I can't believe those quotes are real. Cartoon villain scumbaggery.
D.Lo
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They had a booming economy before the mining boom.
I'd almost agree with that
Shorten is a visionless, poor performing career politician with nothing to offer Australia. He's a pathetic debater, poor public speaker, shows no spine, has no principles (stabbed both Labor PMs) and is a massive drag on Labor.
Labor overall would be much better than the largely talent-vacuum coalition, but with Sharten it's kind of a 'shit I have to vote that pathetic muppet into power' instead of feeling like an actual positive.
Absolutely, but it was Abbott who really kicked off the leadershit after he helped in bringing Rudds' polls back to Earth.
the only time shorten has ever shown anything close to character and a spine is that pub video, which felt like an engineered stunt in hopes of viral spread, almost as to copy the success of gillard's sexism speech
also I just like turnball better, him and the liberal back benchers that tried to get the marriage bill through are the redeeming/saving grace of the liberal party in my eyes
my point was arksy's sentiment is not 100% ungrounded
it aint sensible
but I could potentially see where he was coming from
Turnbull is responsible for gutting the NBN, which would have been the greatest government infrastructure program ever in Australia, with hugely positive effects for the country for decades to come.
All so he could allow Foxtel to have a few more years without real competition. And it's not like he doesn't understand what FTTP would have done for Australia, as I suspect is the case with most of the Liberal Party dinosaurs; he has his own money invested in FTTP in France.
The man is a fucking traitor.
All so he could allow Foxtel to have a few more years without real competition. And it's not like he doesn't understand what FTTP would have done for Australia, as I suspect is the case with most of the Liberal Party dinosaurs; he has his own money invested in FTTP in France.
The man is a fucking traitor.
Candescence
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Turnbull, as nice as he is, would ultimately be constrained by the hardline right-wing of the Coalition in so many ways. That, and he crippled the NBN, though I imagine it's partly due to him being forced to toe the line.
Turnbull being at the helm isn't gonna do much if the rest of the party is a bunch of incompetent wankers. Shorten may be something of a fop, but at least he's got a much better team overall behind him. At least Labor actually have policies to take to an election, and there's other stuff that's been practically stated that Labor will do such as grandfathering negative gearing.
But, yeah, the whole neoliberal "debt is bad mkay" dogma is infuriating. Howard and Costello, in hindsight, were probably the most fiscally irresponsible PM and treasurer duo in Australian history.
Turnbull being at the helm isn't gonna do much if the rest of the party is a bunch of incompetent wankers. Shorten may be something of a fop, but at least he's got a much better team overall behind him. At least Labor actually have policies to take to an election, and there's other stuff that's been practically stated that Labor will do such as grandfathering negative gearing.
But, yeah, the whole neoliberal "debt is bad mkay" dogma is infuriating. Howard and Costello, in hindsight, were probably the most fiscally irresponsible PM and treasurer duo in Australian history.
I mean the last time Turnbull tried to break ranks we ended up with Abbott
The Infrastructure* Prime Minister
D.Lo
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We had an economic boom, followed by a mining boom, combined with selling (in today's dollars) $200m+ in government assets, and yet now the country and government are in massive debt. Labor spent just the last few bucks in the bank to avoid a recession during the GFC (and Rudd tried to save a little cash with the mining and carbon taxes, but we all know how that went).
Howard and Costello were like irresponsible lottery winners who got drunk and kept spending even while the winnings were drying up.
turnbull is great if you're a young white male investment banker looking to grind the poors into the dust
This guy is just abhorrent. I'd actually prefer a family first mp than this piece of bigoted shit.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...may-have-killed-civilians-report-says/6748230
Dutton is a candidate for worst politician in australia. Tough field though.
He got his wish sort of. News today reporting on air force jets flying into Syria today.
I have quite a few family members in Mackay, nice enough people, vote almost straight Labor, and agree with many of their policies in governance (which is quite surprising considering they work in a very highly specialised, very high paying mining field), they just have real problems with foreigners.
Their views (at least on immigrants, they're considered practically socialists by their friends) are symptomatic of many who live in the city. George Christensen, while slightly more extreme, really isn't that far off your average voter in his electorate.
I think that there was a map showing the viewpoints of voters in their electorates on a whole range of issues. North Queensland is far and away the most xenophobic area in Australia.
Well I guess there'll always be people against equality, science, freedoms and good management.
How many fish and chip shops per capita are there in Mackay? How many are run by redheads?
To be fair, the last labor government had descended into farce after multiple rudd challenges. An Abbott government is a high price to pay, but if it produces a more settled, responsible labor government that can win in 2016 and keep the neocons out for a decade or more, it might be a necessary evil.
Australia needs to see how bad an ideological, anti science demagogue can be in order to make a sensible choice next time.
Don't get me wrong: if you voted for Abbott you're a fucking moron, but it might not be all bad if people pay attention.
Good questions, no idea what they have to do with what I've said.
Pauline Hansons former job.
Candescence
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So Barnaby Joyce is saying new coal project aren't economically viable.
Yeeeeeeeep. Then again, I guess the libs aren't exactly fans of Keynes.
Exactly. Turnbull can't risk taking any substantive action on anything remotely moderate or progressive without a right-wing revolt.
Yeeeeeeeep. Then again, I guess the libs aren't exactly fans of Keynes.
Yeah you're right. I've been reading some detention centre stuff and probably over reacted.
I wouldn't have liked another Labour government if one had got in way back then.
Someone has to be against all that stuff. If not me, then who? :S
Not baiting, serious question. Feel free to ignore.
Why did you vote LNP? Aside from being a member, what was your reasoning? Was it a vote against Labor, or a vote in favour of specific LNP policy?
Happy to answer reciprocal questions (I voted Greens upper and lower)
As always, happy to answer.
I definitely believe in a small government classical liberal philosophy of society, which is why I joined the party in the first place, believing them to be the closest political party that aligns to my beliefs.
That aside, there were a few hot button issues for me.
- Promise to repeal the carbon tax. This was the biggest issue for me. I've debated why I didn't like it a bunch of times here already in greater detail.
- Promise to repeal 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. The LNP promised to repeal it I was happy aligning with a party that agreed with me on free speech. This was obviously dumped, but I couldn't know this at the time I voted for them.
- Plain-packaging. Nanny state policy that I disagree with, especially because it co-incided with a huge tax increase which is incredibly regressive.
- Anti-discrimination bill (dumped) - I know it was dumped but I thought it went too far on curbing political speech. Figured it proved the kind of philosophy the ALP had which made me rail against them even more.
- The ALP was chaotic and figured the change in government would at least bring some sense of stability. Happy to admit that the current government is also fairly chaotic, so I'm mostly wrong here.
- Worth noting that immigration didn't play at all into my vote. I didn't really think the boats were that much of an issue, but others obviously did.
I definitely believe in a small government classical liberal philosophy of society, which is why I joined the party in the first place, believing them to be the closest political party that aligns to my beliefs.
That aside, there were a few hot button issues for me.
- Promise to repeal the carbon tax. This was the biggest issue for me. I've debated why I didn't like it a bunch of times here already in greater detail.
- Promise to repeal 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. The LNP promised to repeal it I was happy aligning with a party that agreed with me on free speech. This was obviously dumped, but I couldn't know this at the time I voted for them.
- Plain-packaging. Nanny state policy that I disagree with, especially because it co-incided with a huge tax increase which is incredibly regressive.
- Anti-discrimination bill (dumped) - I know it was dumped but I thought it went too far on curbing political speech. Figured it proved the kind of philosophy the ALP had which made me rail against them even more.
- The ALP was chaotic and figured the change in government would at least bring some sense of stability. Happy to admit that the current government is also fairly chaotic, so I'm mostly wrong here.
- Worth noting that immigration didn't play at all into my vote. I didn't really think the boats were that much of an issue, but others obviously did.
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