shinshoryuken
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finally picked up my car from the shop..yay
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Automotive Discussion Thread | OT2 | Zero to pointless fighting faster than a GT86
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Nice, keep us updated! I've always wanted to take part in LeMons even if it wasn't a driving role I just want to be on a team.
shinshoryuken
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they had alot of various car in the shop..
they had a few 360s, a 430, mclaren, and a Ferrari daytona..and whole bunch of older ferraris
they had a few 360s, a 430, mclaren, and a Ferrari daytona..and whole bunch of older ferraris
jongkookie
Member
While I truly understand and respect all of the Ferrari's that will and have ever existed, the Testarossa is the only Ferrari that can get me erect.
Like the FD RX-7, I'd honestly do anything to get my hands on one.
SliChillax
Member
How do you ignore the car beeping? How do you not shut down the boot properly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNC0-uQsvDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNC0-uQsvDg
mashoutposse
Ante Up
Were you modding it or did something go wrong with the car?
shinshoryuken
Member
just some common issues like sensors and maintenance....oh yeah I only have 1 kidney now.
718 Cayman just unveiled in Beijing. Same power figures as Boxster, but debuting at a lower price. New PCM infortainment with Apple Carplay is standard on all cars now. S model should hit 0-60 in 4s with a top speed of nearly 180mph. A few suspension components from GT4, new steering rack from 911 Turbo, wider wheels and tires, and stiffer chassis. Shame about that Subaru sounding motor though.
One less kidney, but gained ten cylinders. Seems like a fair trade off.
One less kidney, but gained ten cylinders. Seems like a fair trade off.
Man I'm a sucker for that interior color combo. I have to see it in person though
Dat killer lineup in front of Paul Miller Porsche at Cars and Croissants. God Dayum. Must find ways to make more money.
I live a few towns over from there. OMG! So cool. I pass by there everyday going to work/school.
2017 Audi TTRS was just unveiled as well.
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
GHG
Member
2017 Audi TTRS was just unveiled as well.
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
Holy fuck yes I've been waiting for this.
I was looking at the old TT-RS about a year ago but it was nearly impossible to find one in the UAE that hadn't been abused or modded (they sold less than 100 in total here). These cars are the very definition of pocket rocket and the straight 5 sounds glorious.
If it's better on the road than the last car it will be a great car because I thought the last one was damn good. This one looks much better than the old one as well.
SliChillax
Member
718 is out of the question because it's a 2 seater. Considering the RS3 is already very expensive (the difference between the S3 and TTS is 15k euros!!!) this will be around 70k euros which is stupidly expensive for a car like this. This is basically a nose heavy Golf (due to the heavier engine) that understeers even worse. I haven't read a single positive review about the new RS3 (especially the old one) so I don't see how someone would justify paying 10k more for this instead of an M2 which at least has usable rear seats. It does look amazing though it'll give it that even though I don't like the wheels. The interior is just gorgeous but for such an expensive TT RS I would have expected at least wider fender flares.2017 Audi TTRS was just unveiled as well.
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
718 Cayman just unveiled in Beijing. Same power figures as Boxster, but debuting at a lower price. New PCM infortainment with Apple Carplay is standard on all cars now. S model should hit 0-60 in 4s with a top speed of nearly 180mph. A few suspension components from GT4, new steering rack from 911 Turbo, wider wheels and tires, and stiffer chassis. Shame about that Subaru sounding motor though.
One less kidney, but gained ten cylinders. Seems like a fair trade off.
I think the new base Cayman will be a seriously good car for just over 50 large. Especially if Porsche keeps offering similar lease deals to what they have had before. I remember back in Jan/Feb they had a lease on a base Cayman with the 6 speed and a few basic options for $579 a month. Fast forward a year or two and for similar money you can get a car that is objectively better in almost ever way and probably easier for the average driver to have fun with due to the torque increase at almost every RPM.
The new 718's may not sound as good as the outgoing flat 6 models but I think in almost every other way they are superior. Just my opinion, of course.
2017 Audi TTRS was just unveiled as well.
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
In regards to 718 vs TTRS, I imagine it will be similar to a 981 Cayman vs the current Audi TT. The Cayman is more fun to drive and more lively feeling but the Audi has the nicer, more comfortable interior and likely more standard equipment for the price.
In terms of price, the 718 Cayman S and the TTRS should be fairly close, right? So it would come down to driver preference, I think. I do think the Audi will sound better and be a tick faster in a straight line but only the Porsche will let you row your own gears and I'm fairly certain the Porsche will still be more fun to actually go around corners in.
Edit - Oops, left out the M2! The M2 certainly has more passenger room and is most likely more practical all the way around (although I would argue anyone who is cross shopping these 3 cars that practicality is not their highest priority). You can still get a 6 speed manual M2 and the BMW DCT is quite good also, so it has that option over the TT RS, which I assume is still automatic only.
I really don't know. I would have to drive them all, probably multiple times. My heart says 718, just from my experiences with the Boxster and Cayman in the past, but it would certainly be fun to find out. Hopefully someone will comparo test all three at some point in the not too distant future.
Fallout-NL
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The color on that Cayman is absolutely gorgeous.
shinshoryuken
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2017 Audi TTRS was just unveiled as well.
400HP and 354 lb/ft of torque from the new 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engine. 3,174 lbs curb weight. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds with the DCT. Base price of 66,400 euros. No US pricing yet.
Man, that front end looks mean as fuck. Seems the M2 and 718 have some stiff competition. If you had to choose, which one of the 3 would you buy?
looks good, kinda look like a mini new R8.
Speaking of the new R8..hmm looks more dull than the old one.
First videos of the 718 Cayman. Looks better in motion. Design is more cohesive than on the Boxster IMO.
Also, they are showing off the cars in Mexico Blue and Slate Gray, which have previously been special PTS colors. Considering Porsche does not use any PTS cars in marketing materials means that these are going to be standard on the 718!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpyA1sjTzt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8OgNlK7X0
I've heard it looks better in person. I will let you know in about two weeks when I attend the launch party.
Also, they are showing off the cars in Mexico Blue and Slate Gray, which have previously been special PTS colors. Considering Porsche does not use any PTS cars in marketing materials means that these are going to be standard on the 718!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpyA1sjTzt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8OgNlK7X0
I've heard it looks better in person. I will let you know in about two weeks when I attend the launch party.
Fallout-NL
Member
Kinda wishing you had gotten your GT4 in that color now
Kinda wishing you had gotten your GT4 in that color now
Wouldn't have been possible even if I wanted it as I did not receive a PTS allocation. Only a handful of GT4s did.
djSyndrome
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718 configurator is up. No, I didn't spend my lunch hour on it.
Viperbah
Member
Did an intake/tune the other day, I don't have the graph but peak was 620/622 on a dynojet...I never did a baseline. I will be running at VIR in May and hopefully get to the 1/4 track before it gets too hot out. Shooting for mid 10s, but not too hopeful though on stock tires.
PS: Yes, the heat sock on the intake tube adds 20 rwhp.
PS: Yes, the heat sock on the intake tube adds 20 rwhp.
Fallout-NL
Member
Yeah, I thought as much, as being able to even buy one of those cars in the first place was kind of a privilege, right?
shinshoryuken
Member
I saw one in person last weekend. Even my gf thought it looked weird especially in the back. We both thought the older one looks better. But maybe it takes time to grow on you like most cars.
DarkestHour
Banned
Replace those tires then! Grab some cheap wheels and throw some drag radials on them at least.
Specced a 718 Boxster S. Came out to $94,385. Holy crap. That's not even fully loaded. That's with 2 way seats, manual transmission and standard brakes instead of 18 ways, PDK, and carbon ceramics. If you add those, and just for the hell of it a Burmester sound system, the price goes up to $112,230.
Damn. They give you a lot of ways to customize, but sure do charge you an arm and leg.
I think the base car with 6 speed and light spec is gonna be the way to go. 718 will be class leading in it's price range if you take that route. You won't really feel shortchanged either considering the base car now offers performance almost on par with the outgoing S.
Damn. They give you a lot of ways to customize, but sure do charge you an arm and leg.
I think the base car with 6 speed and light spec is gonna be the way to go. 718 will be class leading in it's price range if you take that route. You won't really feel shortchanged either considering the base car now offers performance almost on par with the outgoing S.
I think I'm dead set on a 718 Cayman S in a few years when leases are up. 981 Cayman S is anywhere between 54k-57k with around 7k miles to 15k max. Do you think the 718 model will hit the low 50s since it's going to be priced below the Boxster this time around? I'm still conflicted about the whole thing because I love the way the 981 sounds, but love the 718s new interior and front lights.
No one can tell at this point. Are people's desires for throttle response and sound going to inflate the price of the flat sixes? Or will the updated styling, performance, and tech of the 718 be enough for people to overlook that?
Either way, it will be very interesting to watch it all unfold. Think I made a safe bet with the GT4 as I don't see it's price moving down much, if at all in the next few years.
If they decide to make another GT4, it won't be out for at least 2-3 years, and even then no one knows what the power plant will be. Doesn't seem to be any good solution for Porsche as any choice would open up a whole new can of worms.
The production for the current 3.8L N/A Flat 6 is done. They would have to design a something new, which wouldn't make sense for such a low production car. They could decide to use a detuned next gen GT3 motor in it, but then would have to raise the price of the GT4 to match. Which in turn creates the issue of performance encroaching on GT3, in which case why wouldn't you just buy the superior mid-engined version?
Using an N/A six would also undermine their marketing push as turbo 4 being the best for the 718 platform. If they use a turbo 4 however, they would be fighting an uphill battle as GT customers are very fickle and would most likely refuse to spend 6 figures on a car with that engine.
Then you might ask, "Hey, why not a tuned version of the turbo six from the 991.2?"
Well, Porsche stated that there is no way to fit that motor and it's piping in the 718 chassis. So if they decide to use one, they would look like lying hypocrites and piss off the entire current 718 customer base.
I don't envy the position they are in, but Volkswagen is going to do whatever they can to push sales of their most profitable arm after that dieselgate debacle.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Holy hell... the options are absolutely out of control.
That said, you're absolutely right - with pretty much zero options, it's already plenty well-equipped. Decent seats. Better interior than most cars. Good paint options for a tiny premium. "Good enough" rims. 6spd. CarPlay. Etc.
Honestly, give me that Graphite Blue color for $600 and a grand on the Bose sound system, and you have a brand new, new model Porsche for mid 50s.
I gotta have SOME type of back seat. But I do like it.
That is one hell of an informative post. The world of Porsche is a lot more complicated than I first realized. I'm going to keep a close eye on the 981s to see what happens to their value as the 718 releases. I think if it came down to it, I would easily sacrifice the interior to step into a 981 with decent options and sport exhaust. I also don't want to test drive one because I know I'm going to want to take it home without even giving the new one a chance. Exciting times ahead!
Yeah, the Porsche market is very fickle. Newer, objectively superior cars are not always preferred by the buyers. Look at the value of the aircooled cars or what happened to the 997 GT3 prices after it was announced that the 991 was going to be PDK only.
If you were to pick up a CPO 981S now, I dont think you would be disappointed or that values would go down much more than the initial hit they've already taken. I predict they will stay stable or even have a short upswing if there is any backlash against the 4 pot cars and people go looking for clean well optioned sixes on the used market.
SliChillax
Member
I couldn't care less about the power gains of the turbo 4. The Boxster / Cayman is not a car you use for drag racing or to brag about numbers. It's all about the feeling it gives you, the driver. Even if I had spare money to waste I wouldn't buy the 781 models. Yeah you gain a lot in other departments like suspension, steering rack etc etc but that engine is too much of a step back to me. My question is why the hell they didn't go with a downsized flat 6 with turbos instead of going with a horrible sounding engine killing the soul of the car? I absolutely would love a 981 GTS or GT4 and I would buy the lowest mileage one I could find if I had the money.
GHG
Member
Exactly.
I couldn't fathom spending that much money on a 4 pot turbo car. These cars are supposed to be special, an event. It's no longer like that if the thing sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
Fallout-NL
Member
Hoping you guys are right and my 981 Cayman S doesnt drop like a rock lol. I do get a hell of a grin everytime I rev up that 6, makes me wonder how I will feel when its time to upgrade.
Yeah, there are always exceptions. And to me, a car is the sum total of it's parts + the total driving experience. The motor is only 1 part of that total sum.
Having owned a 987 Boxster I can tell you that I almost always wanted that car to have more torque. For me, trading 2 cylinders and the flat -6 sound for increased power, torque, fuel economy and "ease" of driving seems like a good trade off. I would, of course, have to drive one to be sure.
And I do believe that a lightly spec'ed Boxster or Cayman 718 would be a heck of a sports car for most people. I just spec'd out a base Cayman in Speed Yellow (I like bright colors on sports cars and it's free!) with Premium Package and Bose Audio (which has most all of the comfort options I would want or need) with a 6MT and with delivery it came to just over $59k. Not bad!
Viperbah
Member
Here u go.
You would be only allowed to race me from a roll though,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911...ab63bd7c:g:EJ0AAOSw2GlXGqEP&item=191854001532
Here u go.
You would be only allowed to race me from a roll though,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911...ab63bd7c:g:EJ0AAOSw2GlXGqEP&item=191854001532
Lol I think I would pay off my house first!
Honestly speed isnt as much of a priority for me anymore, I really enjoy the entire experience of the car more (sounds lame doesnt it?) which is why I love my Cayman S.
ShooterMcTavish
Banned
I am not sure about the 718 boxster/Cayman just yet. They are putting out 3.9 and 4.0 0-60 times but the turbo lag could be a problem. Don't think it will be I'm just nervous
My family owns a Porsche and Audi store and the new tts, while very fast, has some noticable lag. Hope the Cayman s with the variable vane tech does not feel the same. Cause it's bad in the tt
Going up to Atlanta to drive them in early June, I'll let you guys know what I think
My family owns a Porsche and Audi store and the new tts, while very fast, has some noticable lag. Hope the Cayman s with the variable vane tech does not feel the same. Cause it's bad in the tt
Going up to Atlanta to drive them in early June, I'll let you guys know what I think
Fallout-NL
Member
Ditch the audio system and go for that Mexico blue color. It's so pretty
.Because I don't have 59k lying around (which is fucking cheap for that car btw, they probably go for nearly double that here in The Netherlands), I'll just comfort myself with the fact my 986 Boxster S does have 6 cylinders, haha.
Viperbah
Member
No not lame...I get it. I am starting to lean that way too.
Horsepower has gotten ridiculous. I honestly feel like there should be some type of required class to drive some of these cars on the street.
SliChillax
Member
But the 2.7 in my 981 Boxster was already very economical.
Define very economical. Like, how much mpg are we talking here for day to day urban driving, or even long journeys?
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Unfortunately, with modular designed engines manufacturers have no choice but to cut cylinders. In fact, that is literally what they're doing, in the machining process the motors have a pair of cylinders cut off to form a flat 4-banger with 2.0L displacement, as opposed to a flat 6 with 3.0L. The rule of 500cc per chamber will be sticking with us for a looooong time. The B4 and B6 Porsche motors are otherwise identical.
The 2.5L motor is based on the 2.0L, but is bored out an extra 11mm per cylinder, adding in the extra 125cc needed.
The 2.5L motor is based on the 2.0L, but is bored out an extra 11mm per cylinder, adding in the extra 125cc needed.
SliChillax
Member
I don't remember exact numbers since I only used the car for a month in December 2014 but it could easily get 30mpg when driving normally.