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[Unknown Soldier]

Just came across this. So are cars that much more reliable in Europe than the US? Look at Nissan? Is American build quality the issue for such a massive discrepancy between US Nissan quality and overseas?

Jaguar is consistent since all their Euro and US cars are built in Coventry. Crazy enough, Jaguar is well ahead of MB, BMW, and Audi.

Look at VW and Skoda...American VWs are built in Mexico, as are many Audis now too. In the US study, VW reliability is pretty low. Meanwhile in domestic Europe, very high. I still feel like the built country of origin is still such a massive mark of importance to me. Tennessee built Nissans are largely shit. But Japanese ones (Zs + RWD Infinitis) are still worthwhile. Mexican VWs? Crap. European? Sturdy.

I had never even heard of SEAT until just a few weeks ago when I was seeing them everywhere. They look pretty ok I guess. They are as reliable as Fords apparently! Which is...pretty awful actually.

This survey's results seem to go against all prevailing knowledge in the US, but Europeans probably think their stuff is better than American and Japanese stuff and we're just seeing their biases. Nobody would be able to claim that a Toyota and a Ford have similar reliability and not be laughed out of the room in the US.

 

[golem]

I had never even heard of SEAT until just a few weeks ago when I was seeing them everywhere. They look pretty ok I guess. They are as reliable as Fords apparently! Which is...pretty awful actually.

SEAT and Skoda are just VW subsidiaries iirc

 

[sankt-Antonio]

SEAT and Skoda are just VW subsidiaries iirc

Audi (from that List) too.

 

[YuriLowell]

Audi (from that List) too.

Lamborghini and Bugatti too.

 

[m_shortpants]

Woah.

Dammit, looks like I'm gonna have to wait a few more months on the Si???

If Hondata can't get the same gains(percentage wise, not the exact numbers) with the Si, then fuck that noise... I'll definitely be getting an ND then lol.

I was excited for the Si due to it's tuning capabilities but man, if they're really gimping the standard 1.5L Civics, then yeah, no buy for me. You can already get 1.5L Civics for under $20K as we speak...

Unless you go balls to the wall with modifications to the suspension and more, I can almost guarantee the Si will be much better.

The Si has an LSD and adaptive dampers and even variable steering ratios. I'm sure you know power isn't everything!

It is disappointing that they're gimping the base models, but the Si should be good enough to justify it.

 

[burgerdog]

Lamborghini and Bugatti too.

Don't forget Porsche!

 

[AlphaSnake]

Don't forget Porsche!

And Ducatti.

 

[No Love]

http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-addiction-that-completely-destroyed-this-man-s-1794882542







Alpha, where are you hiding all your Jags...

This is me in 20 years...

 

[Futaba]

And Ducatti.

And Scania, and Bently...

VW is the google of the automotive world.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Whew! I won't bother with some long, superlative post as it won't ever connect or make my point. Short and sweet, just had an amazing lunch with a friend and had an absolute blast pushing the Challenger. It's a beautiful, 70 degree, clear skies day with a breeze. Sun is out bright. My other friend was goading us with his Cooper S and another with his M5. We're just being tools at a red light and revving up our cars - and there's two guys behind us we had no idea were in nice vehicles, and I think they thought we were egging them on. Light turns green and we all accelerate a bit hard - then a Charger Hellcat and Z06 just zoom past us doing twice our speed. I about died laughing.

Anyway - just cruising... getting on it hard at the onramp and again on the freeway. Man does it get the heat pumping. I'm on euphoric high after just being out with a friend, music blaring, windows down, hammering it a few times.

good times... good times...

 

[SpecX]

Been 2 months with the Volt and I just burned the last of the dealer gas over the weekend (drove out to Six Flags). The car has been amazing and a big savings for money spent on fuel. I went from spending 30-40 bucks a week to spending nothing on gas and only a $50 increase a month on my electric bill.

Everything in the car is still working without any issues, so I'm feeling good about the build quality of this car. My only complaint is how sensitive the lane departure sensors are and the forward collision detection can be at times. When I finally did fill up the tank, it only cost me $28 bucks. I even learned it has a sport mode and the car will launch for the first 30 mph, but then drops off. Overall I would definitely see myself buying this again and I'm very pleased with the car.

 

[kharma45]

I had never even heard of SEAT until just a few weeks ago when I was seeing them everywhere. They look pretty ok I guess. They are as reliable as Fords apparently! Which is...pretty awful actually.

This survey's results seem to go against all prevailing knowledge in the US, but Europeans probably think their stuff is better than American and Japanese stuff and we're just seeing their biases. Nobody would be able to claim that a Toyota and a Ford have similar reliability and not be laughed out of the room in the US.

As I said previously on this, we get different cars from Ford than you get and the same for Toyota. The results are different because many of the cars are different.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Suspension gurus (Futaba perhaps?) I need your knowledge.

I purchased springs for my XKR (they are customized special order Eibachs). The only thing that could be a potential issue is that the spring rate is the same as my stock setup. So the drop is a friendly 0.75 inches lower all around (I did not want to go any lower than this).

Considering the drop is less than one inch, but the same spring rate, am I looking at having a noticeable difference in ride quality? Or a minor one, with the potential for simply hitting the bump stops easier? Florida roads are very smooth 99% of the time, but I don't want that 1% to ruin it for me. The labor to install springs on XKRs is intensive...so I really don't want to regret this. LOL.

Or am I overthinking this and probably feel nothing?

Whew! I won't bother with some long, superlative post as it won't ever connect or make my point. Short and sweet, just had an amazing lunch with a friend and had an absolute blast pushing the Challenger. It's a beautiful, 70 degree, clear skies day with a breeze. Sun is out bright. My other friend was goading us with his Cooper S and another with his M5. We're just being tools at a red light and revving up our cars - and there's two guys behind us we had no idea were in nice vehicles, and I think they thought we were egging them on. Light turns green and we all accelerate a bit hard - then a Charger Hellcat and Z06 just zoom past us doing twice our speed. I about died laughing.

Anyway - just cruising... getting on it hard at the onramp and again on the freeway. Man does it get the heat pumping. I'm on euphoric high after just being out with a friend, music blaring, windows down, hammering it a few times.

good times... good times...

Ah, I love moments like this.

 

[jcutner]

Picking up my FR-S tomorrow! First manual car...

 

[opticalmace]

Picking up my FR-S tomorrow! First manual car...

Sick! What year/how many miles? CPO?

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Picking up my FR-S tomorrow! First manual car...

Congrats, man!! That's awesome.

What are you coming from?

 

[golem]

As sort of a follow up on that rear end accident Porsche question a while back, here is the body shop invoice from an accident in a GT3RS

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle...he-911-gt3rs-priced-to-sell-pics-updated.html

Whew

 

[grendelrt]

Hehe thats the dealership i go to :O

 

[jcutner]

Sick! What year/how many miles? CPO?

2013
Pretty high miles 95,000km
But the price was really good
Drives really well
Sticker was 15,900 cad
Got them to drop it another $2000

 

[jcutner]

Congrats, man!! That's awesome.

What are you coming from?

A 2014 Kia Rio on a lease
One of the most underpowered cars I've ever driven, haha

 

[matmanx1]

A 2014 Kia Rio on a lease
One of the most underpowered cars I've ever driven, haha

Wow, hehe you are going to have a blast going from a Rio to an FR-S. Welcome to the world of fun cars!

 

[Futaba]

Suspension gurus (Futaba perhaps?) I need your knowledge.

I purchased springs for my XKR (they are customized special order Eibachs). The only thing that could be a potential issue is that the spring rate is the same as my stock setup. So the drop is a friendly 0.75 inches lower all around (I did not want to go any lower than this).

Considering the drop is less than one inch, but the same spring rate, am I looking at having a noticeable difference in ride quality? Or a minor one, with the potential for simply hitting the bump stops easier? Florida roads are very smooth 99% of the time, but I don't want that 1% to ruin it for me. The labor to install springs on XKRs is intensive...so I really don't want to regret this. LOL.

Or am I overthinking this and probably feel nothing?



Ah, I love moments like this.

hard to say without a few extra bits of info, i know its the same spring rate but are they progressive or linear? (progressive the coil gets more tighter at one end, linear is same spacing uniformly except for the tuck either end to create a flat section).

in general though you may notice the ride feels a little more firm, which would be on account of there being less travel in the shocks, as theyre also the same spring rate as oem you run the risk of bottoming out and hitting the bumpstop if you get on particularly rough ground, it wont break anything bebause the bumpstop is a saftey measure, it just makes the bump feel a bit harsher, also because theres less distance between the road and the car, and the springs have less buffer space, road noise mat be a shade louder but i doubt by a noticable amount.

regardless of spring type of thickness though, that amount of drop shouldnt make a huge difference overall, just listen for any weird noises in the first few weeks of use and report back if you hear anything abnormal, also it'll take a day or so for them to settle in too so your ride height right after install wont be the same as it will be a few days later when they have settled in!

 

[Futaba]

Picking up my FR-S tomorrow! First manual car...

my man! welcome to the club.
p.s. get any sideskirt kit you can fitted and protect that rocker panel (i'd recommend TRD, doesnt look out of place even with everything else left stock)

whoever owns it in 15+ years will appreciate the lack of rust!

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

As sort of a follow up on that rear end accident Porsche question a while back, here is the body shop invoice from an accident in a GT3RS

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle...he-911-gt3rs-priced-to-sell-pics-updated.html

Whew

jeez the rear wheels are 4k each?

 

[AlphaSnake]

hard to say without a few extra bits of info, i know its the same spring rate but are they progressive or linear? (progressive the coil gets more tighter at one end, linear is same spacing uniformly except for the tuck either end to create a flat section).

in general though you may notice the ride feels a little more firm, which would be on account of there being less travel in the shocks, as theyre also the same spring rate as oem you run the risk of bottoming out and hitting the bumpstop if you get on particularly rough ground, it wont break anything bebause the bumpstop is a saftey measure, it just makes the bump feel a bit harsher, also because theres less distance between the road and the car, and the springs have less buffer space, road noise mat be a shade louder but i doubt by a noticable amount.

regardless of spring type of thickness though, that amount of drop shouldnt make a huge difference overall, just listen for any weird noises in the first few weeks of use and report back if you hear anything abnormal, also it'll take a day or so for them to settle in too so your ride height right after install wont be the same as it will be a few days later when they have settled in!

The springs are linear front and back.

 

[Futaba]

The springs are linear front and back.

should still be fine, stock height should have enough room in shock travel to handle a .75 drop and still have plenty left to dampen spring without bottoming out, just make a note when swapping the springs that if the perches for the spring are metal and not rubber lined, put a thin layer of copper grease around the top ends of the spring so you dont get squeaks or rust from wear, because with shorter springs whenever a wheel gets air the springs going to have little enough load that it may move a little, and over time that will cause a squeak or wear though the powder coat on the springs and allow rust, the copper grease wont stop it but itll make it take a whole lot longer to happen.

if your perches have rubber then no problems at all!

oh! regardless of if youre taking them off yourself or having a shop do it for you, clean any muck off of a secton of the spring on all four sides and with a colored marker write FR, FL, RR, RL on each so if tou ever want to reinstall them at a later date you can get them exactly how they were stock, because over time they will have retained a memory in the metal and degradated spring rate for each corner to be nice and balanced for your car, even if they are in spec all the same rates, just slapping them back on randomly wouldnt feel the same as they currently do.

if possible too, once everythings settled in do a visual inspection of the camber as you might want to have that and toe adjusted in a wheel alignment to prevent inner edge wear on the tires, i generally recommend that for any change in ride height over .5"

if it's more than a 2" drop i don't bother because that generally means someones camberganging it and they likely dont give a fuck about abnormal wear lol

 

[witness]

Finally got my car deal done! 2014 Jetta GLI 30th Edition certified used. Goddamn I'm excited, I'm actually just as excited about our credit scores because credit karma underrated both my wife and I and 70 points each lol. So now I'll never trust those damn sites.

Update: When we were in the finance department, guy said well since this isn't a certified used vehicle you should consider these warranties. I corrected him and I told the salesman when we were leaving and it caused basically a panic. They were saying no it's not certified used, and I said this is bullshit here's your ad on Autotrader saying it is. I told them if it isn't certified used we are getting our money back and leaving. So they then apologized and are doing the inspection now and whatever other work that will require. I guess we will have to sign some different papers as well when we get back noting that it's certified.

Update 2: During the certification process they found one of the tires had something in it and it was slowly leaking. So now because it had some Z rated pirello p zero Nero's on it they had to order it and it wont be ready until Monday. Can't even drive it this weekend, and I already made a space for it in the garage =(

 

[v1lla21]

Driving in SF isn't as bad as I thought it'd be. Was at twin peaks earlier and got tired after the 4th time lol.

On my way to SF, on 101, a dude in Chrysler 200 almost cut off a tesla behind me. After that they started accelerating and the tesla was egging the Chrysler on by not letting him into the lane. The 200 passes me and it was a young dude. The tesla was being driven by an old couple 😂
Then on my way home there was a guy in a camry who didn't like that I sped up to go around him so on the light we got stuck on, he spun his tires and stepped on it. Okay Camry. Lol.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Nobody fucks with Camry

 

[jcutner]

Update! Made it home.

Took the train from Toronto to Windsor (4 hours) with my roommate (who drives stick) so I could have a coach/co-pilot on the way back home.

Quite a stressful day, but the highway was a breeze cause I was in 6th the whole way. I still need to get the hang of the bite point and how much gas to give it. I usually panic when I'm in traffic and give it too much gas and don't let the clutch out enough, instead of being calm and collected.

Hills are going to be my next nightmare.

 

[v1lla21]

Nobody fucks with Camry

It'd be fun if it were a v6 lol

 

[gatti-man]

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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[v1lla21]

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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Nice! The Rs7 is probably my favorite audi, body wise, such a nice looking car. Those seats look real good.

 

[Evo X]

Brought home a 2017 Panamera Turbo for the weekend.

What a beast of a machine. It's in white too.

 

[Bandit1]

Update! Made it home.

Took the train from Toronto to Windsor (4 hours) with my roommate (who drives stick) so I could have a coach/co-pilot on the way back home.

Quite a stressful day, but the highway was a breeze cause I was in 6th the whole way. I still need to get the hang of the bite point and how much gas to give it. I usually panic when I'm in traffic and give it too much gas and don't let the clutch out enough, instead of being calm and collected.

Hills are going to be my next nightmare.

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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Congrats guys! Loving the look of those Audi seats, they seem really nice.

Brought home a 2017 Panamera Turbo for the weekend.

What a beast of a machine. It's in white too.

Sweet, you should post an AMA thread in off-topic. =P

 

[GHG]

Update! Made it home.

Took the train from Toronto to Windsor (4 hours) with my roommate (who drives stick) so I could have a coach/co-pilot on the way back home.

Quite a stressful day, but the highway was a breeze cause I was in 6th the whole way. I still need to get the hang of the bite point and how much gas to give it. I usually panic when I'm in traffic and give it too much gas and don't let the clutch out enough, instead of being calm and collected.

Hills are going to be my next nightmare.

Congrats man. Take it easy, you will get the hang of it. We've all been there with manual cars. Every manual car is different as well so there's always an adjustment period when you get a new one. Just take it for a drive somewhere quiet on a weekend morning and it will all become second nature in no time. Enjoy it.

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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Absolute beast of a machine. Congrats.

But... Do you really need more power?

Sweet, you should post an AMA thread in off-topic. =P

I second this notion. And make sure you sneak your GT4 and X5 in the background again.

Nothing better than chilling on the balcony and kicking back to read salty GAF on a Sunday morning.

 

[mashoutposse]

Drove the Aventador S last week. Lamborghini engineering is on a roll.

Feels like a big Huracan; it's meaningfully more nimble than the regular Aventador. 4-wheel steering absolutely impacts the drive. The car feels like a 458 in that it's hypersensitive to all inputs. EGO mode is an important upgrade. Mixing and matching modes across steering, suspension, and powertrain truly does enable optimization of the drive across conditions. STRADA suspension and CORSA everything else allowed me to crush the super-bumpy backroad section. The exhaust is even better with (likely software-induced) rapid gunshot backfire on deceleration. I enjoyed the new big-screen digital cluster. Car looks excellent in person.

I'd be less than pleased if I bought an SV last year. This is a better car.

 

[No Love]

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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RS7 is such an awesome car. Love the exterior and the seats.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. The car is so versatile and fast. I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

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This is a badass car. Amusingly, I Googled for "Audi RS7" and the video that came up for me to watch was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scyYfbL5P9w

TIL that Tesla's chief designer Franz von Holzhausen, who actually came from Mazda after leaving Volkswagen, yes, the company which owns Audi, seems to like Audi designs. Because the Tesla Model S looks very, very similar to the RS7 and I didn't really know it and I wouldn't have guessed just by looking at some pictures until these guys put the two cars side by side and commented on it.

Also, they had a contest to see which $140,000 luxury fastback could hold more bags of manure.

 

[gatti-man]

This is a badass car. Amusingly, I Googled for "Audi RS7" and the video that came up for me to watch was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scyYfbL5P9w

TIL that Tesla's chief designer Franz von Holzhausen, who actually came from Mazda after leaving Volkswagen, yes, the company which owns Audi, seems to like Audi designs. Because the Tesla Model S looks very, very similar to the RS7 and I didn't really know it and I wouldn't have guessed just by looking at some pictures until these guys put the two cars side by side and commented on it.

Also, they had a contest to see which $140,000 luxury fastback could hold more bags of manure.

I actually test drove the Tesla S before I bought the RS7 and despite the p100s acceleration it just didn't do it for me as a performance car. I'm itching to buy an electric that can handle, perform and bring that interior fit and finish like the rs7. But I'm more than satisfied with what I have now. The car inhales gas though!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I actually test drove the Tesla S before I bought the RS7 and despite the p100s acceleration it just didn't do it for me as a performance car. I'm itching to buy an electric that can handle, perform and bring that interior fit and finish like the rs7. But I'm more than satisfied with what I have now. The car inhales gas though!

It gets 25 mpg on the highway though!

What didn't you like about the Tesla as a performance car? I've heard both heavy praise and criticism about the way the Model S drives and I'm always interested in opinions!

 

[sankt-Antonio]

It gets 25 mpg on the highway though!

What didn't you like about the Tesla as a performance car? I've heard both heavy praise and criticism about the way the Model S drives and I'm always interested in opinions!

From what I understand, you can't really drive the Tesla Model S sporty for a prolonged amount of time, track days are pretty much a no go - but you can have crazy fast acceleration (until the battery gets hot), so i would guess if someone wants a car they can throw around until the tank is empty you have to go gasoline or hybrid.

And i would guess that the set up of the car is not as aggressive, ..maybe? I'm interested myself.

 

[SliChillax]

I'll probably get the APR tune that bring it up to 610awhp sooner or later and upgrade the sway bars. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

About APR, my friend who has an S7 got the APR remap and they said it goes from 450hp to 550hp. It is just me or is that just pure bullshit? 100hp gain with a remap? I know APR is famous in the VAG world but that screams nonsense to me.

 

[Hesemonni]

So I was thinking about getting a 991 turbo but talked myself into an Audi RS7 and man I am loving every minute of it so far. That's all I've got planned the car is so perfect inside and out.

Nice one. I'm looking into trading my current 5-series Touring into an A7 soonish if me and the dealer start talking the same language. Lovely shape and versatile.

 

[ameratsu]

About APR, my friend who has an S7 got the APR remap and they said it goes from 450hp to 550hp. It is just me or is that just pure bullshit? 100hp gain with a remap? I know APR is famous in the VAG world but that screams nonsense to me.

If only google could easily answer that. Oh wait, it can https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html

 

[v1lla21]

About APR, my friend who has an S7 got the APR remap and they said it goes from 450hp to 550hp. It is just me or is that just pure bullshit? 100hp gain with a remap? I know APR is famous in the VAG world but that screams nonsense to me.

Yeah those are numbers they say you'll gain but real world is a bit less than that. Even then those are huge gains with just a stage 1 tune.

 

[SliChillax]

If only google could easily answer that. Oh wait, it can https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_40tfsi_s6s7.html

If only you could reply like an adult. Where do you think I got those numbers? From my ass? Of course I've seen that page, that was why I called bullshit cause the gains seem too high for just a remap. I've been to the APR shop too and my friend who works in the marketing department told me the numbers are real and the S7 should make around 560-570hp. When we raced the S7 against a C63 sedan from a rolling and from stop drag race, the C63 absolutely destroyed the S7 even though the S7 has more traction and around 50 more hp? How do you explain that? You could blame it on weight but when you have 50 more hp it doesn't matter that much when you do a rolling drag race from 50mph.

 

[AlphaSnake]

This is a badass car. Amusingly, I Googled for "Audi RS7" and the video that came up for me to watch was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scyYfbL5P9w

TIL that Tesla's chief designer Franz von Holzhausen, who actually came from Mazda after leaving Volkswagen, yes, the company which owns Audi, seems to like Audi designs. Because the Tesla Model S looks very, very similar to the RS7 and I didn't really know it and I wouldn't have guessed just by looking at some pictures until these guys put the two cars side by side and commented on it.

Also, they had a contest to see which $140,000 luxury fastback could hold more bags of manure.

The latest Motor Trend Head 2 Head compares the two cars and addresses their looks, too.

should still be fine, stock height should have enough room in shock travel to handle a .75 drop and still have plenty left to dampen spring without bottoming out, just make a note when swapping the springs that if the perches for the spring are metal and not rubber lined, put a thin layer of copper grease around the top ends of the spring so you dont get squeaks or rust from wear, because with shorter springs whenever a wheel gets air the springs going to have little enough load that it may move a little, and over time that will cause a squeak or wear though the powder coat on the springs and allow rust, the copper grease wont stop it but itll make it take a whole lot longer to happen.

if your perches have rubber then no problems at all!

oh! regardless of if youre taking them off yourself or having a shop do it for you, clean any muck off of a secton of the spring on all four sides and with a colored marker write FR, FL, RR, RL on each so if tou ever want to reinstall them at a later date you can get them exactly how they were stock, because over time they will have retained a memory in the metal and degradated spring rate for each corner to be nice and balanced for your car, even if they are in spec all the same rates, just slapping them back on randomly wouldnt feel the same as they currently do.

if possible too, once everythings settled in do a visual inspection of the camber as you might want to have that and toe adjusted in a wheel alignment to prevent inner edge wear on the tires, i generally recommend that for any change in ride height over .5"

if it's more than a 2" drop i don't bother because that generally means someones camberganging it and they likely dont give a fuck about abnormal wear lol

Thanks man! Yes, the perches the springs came with are a rubbery plastic - sort of like a hockey puck with rivets and grooves. No metal at all. The way I've been looking at this .75 drop and trying to relieve my worry is that: hey, it's basically an extra passenger in the car (or just a fat driver). I'm not sure what the OEM spring rate is exactly, but it seems that about 250-300lbs lowers it 1 inch. So the spring rate must be in the 200s somewhere.

And yeah, my Jag dealer will do the install and they have a laser alignment machine and rack that takes all of 2 seconds to read an alignment off of.

 

[Pinewood]

If only you could reply like an adult. Where do you think I got those numbers? From my ass? Of course I've seen that page, that was why I called bullshit cause the gains seem too high for just a remap. I've been to the APR shop too and my friend who works in the marketing department told me the numbers are real and the S7 should make around 560-570hp. When we raced the S7 against a C63 sedan from a rolling and from stop drag race, the C63 absolutely destroyed the S7 even though the S7 has more traction and around 50 more hp? How do you explain that? You could blame it on weight but when you have 50 more hp it doesn't matter that much when you do a rolling drag race from 50mph.

Or, you know, you can just take it to a dyno? Weight still plays a role from rolling start, thats physics.

 

[Xdye7]

Regarding the APR tunes, their site automatically defaults to 100 octane stage 2 graphs with power at the crank. Select 91 or 93 octane maps which is what most people will be using and you'll see the differences/results are very reasonable.