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Autumn Anime 2016 |OT| The seasons change, but we're still Falling for Euri
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Monokuma's old VA (Doraemon) is super old and has dementia so TARAKO voices Monokuma now. i assume thats why they are doing Monokids in V3, 5 different VA
I.... actually don't see this as some terrible example of how the anime industry treats employees terribly. I mean, I'm sympathetic to anyone who struggles with employment and it's certainly not a nice thing to do where you tell someone they have to pay rental for a workspace to even work there. But in the end it is a business.
Inbetweening is entry level work, and it is by far the most widely available resource in the industry, and something you can pretty easily outsource if need be. Studios in Japan have inbetweening staff because it is a stepping stone for introducing new animators to their studio culture and cultivating them to become key animators - which are is the actual resource the industry needs.
If you work for a studio for 3 years as an inbetweener and are unable to handle key animation, what reasons are there for a studio to really keep a person around? In most industries, if you can't advance from a junior position in a few years, and the company wants more fresh blood for those positions, you're gone. Here it seems like Japan still has a stigma on firing people officially, so they come up with rules to encourage people to "get good or leave". Definitely not a nice thing, but inbetween animation is a shitty entry position that never gets better until you get promoted beyond it.
On the topic of Yuri on Ice, personally I'm still really enjoying it. Certainly there's been some animation hiccups, but it still feels really engaging to watch. Victor and Yuri's antics have kept me entertained, though I definitely am ready for some more character development in that area.
On an unrelated note, I got around to watching some episodes from my Zeta Gundam BD set. While I'm too tired to write more detailed impressions, I will say that the HD transfer is fantastic. Some of the animation on the other hand definitely does not hold up as well as I remember. There's some good looking mobile suit battles, but a lot of stuff outside of that is really rough. I can understand why, it just surprised me after revisiting it.
On an unrelated note, I got around to watching some episodes from my Zeta Gundam BD set. While I'm too tired to write more detailed impressions, I will say that the HD transfer is fantastic. Some of the animation on the other hand definitely does not hold up as well as I remember. There's some good looking mobile suit battles, but a lot of stuff outside of that is really rough. I can understand why, it just surprised me after revisiting it.
SapphiCine
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That's some apologism.
If you think that is a justifiable way to filter talent, I would not want to work for a business run by you.
It's not apologism, it's an analysis of the situation presented and looking at why it would happen. How would you handle it? To begin with, I would not run a Japanese animation studio as a business. It's not a good business to run at all. Like I said, this is a result of Japan's unwillingness to actually fire people whose work is not satisfactory. Inbetweening is seen as a temporary stepping stone in the industry. It's grunt work. No one is supposed to like doing it and aspire to it as a career because it pays so badly it isn't a career option.
Think of it as interning and junior temp positions. If you're on contract and after a few years you are unable to qualify for a full position at the company doesn't that suck? If they decide not to continue the contract would you think that is horrible of them? And if they offered you the option to pay 50 bucks to rent the desk to continue working at that same position offering shit pay, would you accept it? It's a shitty situation no doubt.
There are lots of actual horrific things about the industry. Terrible workload for terrible pay, poor working environments, harsh schedules with no concern for work life balance. Making people who cannot make it in the industry pay to continue working in it sounds odd, but the harsh reality is that they probably shouldn't be working in this industry and would do better for themselves getting another job. It's not for everyone. Is that an unreasonable way to look at it? I don't think so at all.
Hahahaha! That totally is bootleg Shirobako.
SapphiCine
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I overreacted a bit. I missed that 6000 yen is ~60 USD, which puts things a bit more in perspective. That does seem like it would be 5% of an already shit salary.
I think that attitude facilities further exploitation of workers. Of course it is minor in the greater picture, which you acknowledge is not good.
I absolutely agree. The thing is, traditional animation as an industry sort of exists because of the willingness to be exploited for the love of art. It can feel frustrating to look at it from an objective perspective and think "shit it's really fucking terrible" but it's a complicated issue which has no real easy solutions. There's a reason why traditional animation has largely died out as a large industry in most developed countries. It is a tedious menial work which requires man hours which cannot easily be efficiently produced if you care about quality. If you don't care about quality then you can make stuff cheaply and quickly at the expense of the motivation and pride of the staff. Either way you end up with a scenario where it doesn't seem economically appealing.
If we're talking about getting rid of any sort of exploitation at all, having proper unions (lol good luck with that in Japan...) that do their job, etc... I think ultimately when the numbers are crunched, the reality is that the simplest solution is for the entire industry to collapse and for all these jobs to be lost. I don't say this in a mean way when I say that animators who want a better livelihood should look for another job, it's just a fact. The ones who do well in it and love their job aren't doing it for the money or because it is a stable job. They do it because they love the art of animation and they feel they can contribute something to the world other people can't. It's purely artistic. Of course there are also thousands more who just suffer, struggle, and have nothing to show for it even though they might have dreams of becoming like their inspirations. It does suck.
AnathemicOne
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Snafu 2 OVA
8man returns with an Iroha-centered episode. Really enjoyable with comedy on point as usual alongside subtle mannerisms with each of the characters. Overall just makes me want a season 3 of this already, maybe I'll rewatch the series.
8man returns with an Iroha-centered episode. Really enjoyable with comedy on point as usual alongside subtle mannerisms with each of the characters. Overall just makes me want a season 3 of this already, maybe I'll rewatch the series.
PdotMichael
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Dunno, if you are stuck at inbetweener I think it''s better to get kicked out when one is still young.
SolidSnakeUS
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Anyone else feel that this season lacks really any shows that really pull you in and keep you there? Or am I not watching enough?
MikeHattsu
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Weren't there some western guy who worked as an inbetweener who shared pics of his tiny sharehouse bedroom some years back? Didn't sound good then and don't sound good now 
hosannainexcelsis
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I understand your perspective, and I agree that this case of charging long-term in-betweeners seems more like a "can't directly fire anyone" kind of situation prevalent in Japanese business culture than a specific animation industry problem. I think the people who are using these tweets to dunk on P.A. Works specifically are misguided. Like I was trying to say earlier, I think poor working conditions and heavy amounts of stress on 2D animators are something that's a general problem of the industry, and has been to varying degrees since the industry was founded. I don't think that's going to change barring a total industry collapse, in which case a lot of jobs will disappear anyway, so I think I also agree with you there. KyoAni seems to have managed to develop a model where 2D animation can be done within decent working conditions, but their model is not easily replicated by anyone else.
Can't say I feel that. At the very least Great Passage and Haikyuu are top-notch work.
Not I. I haven't had this much stuff that I'm really liking to watch in at least a year.
I keep hearing this but do we really know anything about their hiring practices? I'm sure the working conditions are better than average but it's hard to say much more without knowing how many people they employ and what their passing standard is for the entrance tests. What do they do with staff when they underperform?
KyoAni is anime porn. Sure there's a story, but that's just in the background so the scenes at least tie together. You only really watch their shows for the visuals.
MikeHattsu
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GoldCrusader
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I have 5 show I'm fully invested in, +5 others that I find enjoyable, and that doesn't count the simuldubs. So nope, it's a great season with many good shows.
I'm pretty committed to what I watch, but I only watch 3 shows that started this season. Watching more than necessary is ludicrous.
If you feel this season is lacking, watch some older stuff.
Dedication Through Light
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Sounds like youre not watching Trickster, Cheating Craft, and Monster Hunter.
hosannainexcelsis
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I don't know the answer to those questions. I know KyoAni has a school that they run to teach and train inexperienced animators (and other artists involved in the industry), but I don't know how they make hiring decisions or handle animators who can't produce acceptable work. For obvious reasona you almost never hear people talk about that sort of stuff. If you ask someone who has paid closer attention to the studio than me, such as Yuyucow or ultimatemegax, they might be able to give you some insight.
Personally I'm watching more stuff this season than in the two past seasons combined.
Kimi no Na Wa (Your Name) finally launched in Singapore cinemas today
I went in blind without reading up on the plot/watching the trailers and what's not and I'm glad that's what I did.
Was really floored by the beautiful background and such. Still trying to digest what I have just seen even after 3 hours have passed.
I know it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but dang, I feel like watching it another time next week.
Edit: Oh and Kana Hanazawa and Aoi Yuuki appears in bit roles too. Show's really going for what I like eh.
I went in blind without reading up on the plot/watching the trailers and what's not and I'm glad that's what I did.
Was really floored by the beautiful background and such. Still trying to digest what I have just seen even after 3 hours have passed.
I know it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but dang, I feel like watching it another time next week.
Edit: Oh and Kana Hanazawa and Aoi Yuuki appears in bit roles too. Show's really going for what I like eh.
DivineRage002
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I just started watching the Legend of Korra.
Only two episodes in, but holy shit this is actually really good!
Only two episodes in, but holy shit this is actually really good!
I feel that there's more shows this season that I would say are great than in previous seasons this year.
nintendoman58
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Flip Flappers - 5
This would have been such a perfect episode to air during October for Halloween.
This would have been such a perfect episode to air during October for Halloween.
Dedication Through Light
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Need, also love the random cat there with Sasuke.
Turin Turambar
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I think the problem here is not them having to rent the desk, but the salary being super low. That's the root cause of the problem, not the 60 bucks per month.
poipoipoi9
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Flip Flappers 5 -
I'm still surprised how genuinely scary this episode was. The direction is simply superb, especially with the scene
They got the feel of helplessness down so well.
I'm still surprised how genuinely scary this episode was. The direction is simply superb, especially with the scene
where the two try to find the hidden button and got caught by the girls.
Dedication Through Light
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Puzzle & Dragons X Episode 18
Excellent emotional Lance backstory. Though it kind of didnt explain how he became so hard and lacking the ability to smile often in the presence. Though I did tear up and such
Excellent emotional Lance backstory. Though it kind of didnt explain how he became so hard and lacking the ability to smile often in the presence. Though I did tear up and such
especially when he had to stay away from Devi and Devi was going through all the things he had noticed about Lance and how to care for him
I finally managed to get Sentai to give me a decent answer regarding Gatchaman Crowds' director's cut episode from season 1. I sent another question to thier Ask.fm, and they said that while it's not included on thier release of Insight (which I knew), it's "something to look into". This is definitely a step up from having pretty much all my questions about it ignored.
Maximilian Kolbe
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You get it wrong, they charge you 6000yen if he/she can't move up to animator after 3 years(for comparison, IG will charge you 10000yen per month).
Because they're simply telling leave the industry since you can't good enough to become animator after 3 years.
hosannainexcelsis
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Yeah, I figured that out by now. Sorry for spreading unclear and inaccurate information; there have been a lot of reactions to and interpretations of this swirling around the Internet.
I didn't know that about Production IG though; do you have a source for that? If so, I'd like to link to that on Twitter.
Owarimonogatari - Ep. 7
Kanbaru is back and she is just as perverted as ever. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I was ready for an action scene in this series,give how rare they are.
Not that I mind it, in fact it was pretty good.
Looks like the Samurai Shinobu was taking about is back somehow. That should be interesting.
Also, the timline of the series gets very confussing her since this take place during the first arc of season 2 ,but after another arc of S2...
Kanbaru is back and she is just as perverted as ever. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I was ready for an action scene in this series,give how rare they are.
Not that I mind it, in fact it was pretty good.
Looks like the Samurai Shinobu was taking about is back somehow. That should be interesting.
Also, the timline of the series gets very confussing her since this take place during the first arc of season 2 ,but after another arc of S2...
Maximilian Kolbe
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There was a thread in 2ch talked about that, though can't find it anymore.
But like i said, they just telling you leave, and serious at least he/she still young after 3 years, go find some better job and just sit at home watch anime lol.
SliceSabre
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Best summary of Re: Zero I've seen yet. (spoilers duh)
hosannainexcelsis
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OK, thanks. When you hear these kinds of rumors/info spread on the Internet it's hard to know how much to trust and what the unspoken context behind it is, so this is at least some potentially useful perspective.
wonder if this game will work with the notion "more budget = better animation" considering I see a budget track in the screen shots
This was great , so many funny scenes, also Subaru is an asshole.
Camel Master
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I've only seen Diamond no Ace and Battery. Recommend the first one, its a tad long but very well worth it!
Ping Pong Girls ep. 5
Doki doki.
Sakuga blog post on Episode 5 of Hibike Euphonium S2 is a great read, I just finished watching the episode.
Thoraxes' blog posts on the show were linked!
Thoraxes' blog posts on the show were linked!
I haven't gotten around to watching Eupho #5 yet, but I did go to a Hikone festival parade where they had a military brass band and three school bands, at least one of which had something to do with nationals (even though I don't remember if they got a prize or were scheduled to participate... I'll have to rewatch the video for that). Does that count?
Flap Flipping #4
Dezkullrabbit is still the GOAT (except for that non-sequitur where it was about to eat cutesy pervert Krang). On other news, the girls doing some forcible bonding was meh, and I kind of wish they wouldn't call each others' names so much.
Still glad the Sayaka subject got dropped after she was shown to be unwilling to cooperate with Coconuts and Paprika, and hope she and the evil clan get put on the backburner for the foreseeable future while we get lots of episodic pure illusion hijinxs instead of that, since that's the only thing I'm actually enjoying from the show theme-wise (it has good animation, but that doesn't count).
Flap Flipping #4
Dezkullrabbit is still the GOAT (except for that non-sequitur where it was about to eat cutesy pervert Krang). On other news, the girls doing some forcible bonding was meh, and I kind of wish they wouldn't call each others' names so much.
Still glad the Sayaka subject got dropped after she was shown to be unwilling to cooperate with Coconuts and Paprika, and hope she and the evil clan get put on the backburner for the foreseeable future while we get lots of episodic pure illusion hijinxs instead of that, since that's the only thing I'm actually enjoying from the show theme-wise (it has good animation, but that doesn't count).
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