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Autumn Anime 2017 |OT| Makes us all rotten

pbayne

Member
Osomatsu-San, Episodes 1-4 - I just recently picked this series up and now I wish I had started watching it sooner. Each episode has had me cracking up. I'm hoping to catch up so I can start watching the second season weekly.

Did you manage to find the "real" episode one? It was pulled due to complaints/copyright shenanigans. Think crunchyroll literally just starts with episode 2 now lol
 

petran79

Banned
I usually avoid shoujo crap like the plague but I'm enjoying Kaleido Star a lot. It's filled with tropes (duh) and QUALITY but still.

Most Gonzo shows are either liked or disliked. Kaleido Star is the only show that is universally praised.

When I saw the Goddess in Speed Grapher descending for the first time, they took that scene straight out of Sora Naegino's acrobatics
 

daveo42

Banned
Ichiro Inuyashiki 1
I kind of wish I hadn't read the description of this before watching. The first half was actually pretty heartbreaking because of his situation. The second half I was fist pumping as he destroyed the lives of those fucking asshat punks. What a weird show.
 

zulux21

Member
If Netflix did promise that 8 billion to go exclusively to anime, what kind of stuff you'd think they would come up with?

netflix didn't promise 8 billion would go to anime, but that part of the 8 billion of their entertainment budget will go towards 30 new anime series in 2018.

and given tiger and bunny was recently added to netflix... I am going to go with tiger and bunny season 2 proper :p
 
netflix didn't promise 8 billion would go to anime, but that part of the 8 billion of their entertainment budget will go towards 30 new anime series in 2018.

and given tiger and bunny was recently added to netflix... I am going to go with tiger and bunny season 2 proper :p

I know. I'm just imagining a scenario where Netflix was taken over by a crazy man and promised 8 billion exclusively to anime.
 
3 Leaves, 3 Colors 7

I guess we really have 4 colors. Yolo has a new friend. A twin, both of them dislike Futaba the Glutton.

Most places banned Futaba due to beating the Big Easter challenges many times over, it must be tough to be a growing girl.

This is pretty comfy. Glad the partnership is working out
 

Jex

Member
I don't really agree with you on this, but if you want more ambiguity about the setting you should be watching Girls' Last Tour.

Already on it.
I don't agree with you on this because so far the Netflix version of the show has revealed nothing to me at all. Not even the first episode!
That sounds excellent.
I completely disagree with this sentiment. If you are sure that your answers would be less interesting than your questions, then don't pose them at all. Just let them be footnote in the story or just reveal them from the start. As I've gotten older, I'm growing tired of having my imagination do the heavy lifting in order to enjoy your narrative. Many a plot indeed has mysterious build up leading to disappointing revelations, but at least they try. "It's gonna be disappointing anyway so let's just conceal it" is narrative cowardice.
To clarify, I'm not wishing for the show to hold back on revelations about the nature of the world in perpetuity, but I could have probably handled another episode's worth of content just soaking in the world.

For me, a separate but related problem is that the developments in the narrative have progressed slightly too fast.
It feels like we've literally just met this person 'with no emotions', and by the end of the 2nd episode she's already getting emotional? That's not a lot of build up to give any pay off.
 

Sinistral

Member
Season late but I basically binge watched Made in Abyss over the last few days.

Holy... fuck.... Anime of the year for me so far. The presentation, suspense, wonder all came together in a dark, yet beautiful and sublime experience that no other anime has done for me in a long time. Admittedly I have not watched many other series this year.
 

sasuke_91

Member
And Your Lie in April. Or we could really break his heart with Grave of the Fireflies... Excuse me while I cry in a corner. ; ;

Wasn't Orange pretty sad as well?
Also add Koe no Katachi to the mix. Although Grave of the Fireflies might have already destroyed him at that point.
 

Jex

Member
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.
 

Jintor

Member
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

but primarily amongst the already anime-watching audience who, dareisay, have developed the power to selectively ignore questionable content if other factors prove strong enough. I'd doubt it would go further.
 

duckroll

Member
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

If it wins AOTY I'm going to write an essay entitled "In Too Deep: A Study of AnimeGAF's descent into the Abyss and how Torture Porn won Anime of the Year 2017".
 

Sinistral

Member
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

I looked, there wasn't an OT. Yeah the questionable content I couldn't care less for but it was so easily overshadowed by the amazing world building, actual meaningful character developments and intrigue the Abyss provided. Maybe it was because of the art style but it came off as a naive innocence of children at one end of the spectrum, to purely scientific methodology on the other. It was definitely a weird mix but not lewd like most pandering anime tropes, for the most part.
 
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

I think I've seen it getting mentioned a few times in the bi-weekly Off-Topic 'new anime sucks' threads. You know, as the supposedly Ghlbli-esque modern TV series everyone should be watching. Not just there, even in some other random threads. But that was during its first couple weeks. Not sure if that's still the case.

I bet even now it's still recommended a lot because quite frankly there seem to be a hell lot of people who're not even registering the icky aspects of it. The anime subreddit is one such place where I'm not even sure that has been acknowledged at all. If someone ever voiced such criticism (and made it sound like that instead of some self-deprecating humor) it must've been heavily buried in downvotes. But /r/anime's episode discussion threads are essentially pure praise for every show that's even moderately liked.

In general, people tend to be really lenient on a show they overall like. So even those who recognize the pedo-crap or wonder if the violence isn't too detailed, too often, might shrug that criticism off because, eh, if they really liked Made in Abyss overall that's not worth bothering about or sth.
 

Eila

Member
Most Gonzo shows are either liked or disliked. Kaleido Star is the only show that is universally praised.

When I saw the Goddess in Speed Grapher descending for the first time, they took that scene straight out of Sora Naegino's acrobatics

u wot? Gankutsuou, Welcome to the NHK, Seto no Hanayome and Last Exile are pretty good. Then there's the masterpiece that is Strike Witches.
 

LotusHD

Banned
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

If I could do it all again, I wouldn't have recommended it to my friends had I known how questionable it got in the later episodes. But like, it was a really good first episode y'all :(

but primarily amongst the already anime-watching audience who, dareisay, have developed the power to selectively ignore questionable content if other factors prove strong enough. I'd doubt it would go further.

Standard fanservice, yea I can tune that out if the show's good enough. This on the other hand, ugh. I mean, I guess I can't really say shit since I still finished it (Because everything else was rather compelling), but yea, no desire to recommend it.
 

Jex

Member
but primarily amongst the already anime-watching audience who, dareisay, have developed the power to selectively ignore questionable content if other factors prove strong enough. I'd doubt it would go further.

I think that's a solid assessment. There's plenty of people who are 'into' anime but don't keep up with seasonal shows and so for that audience I imagine this series would be somewhat palatable. However, for anyone on the edges of (or outside) the 'fandom', the show is packed to the brim with big red flashing warning signs that will surely keep warn people away, putting a hard-cap on the series' appeal.
If it wins AOTY I'm going to write an essay entitled "In Too Deep: A Study of AnimeGAF's descent into the Abyss and how Torture Porn won Anime of the Year 2017".
You know, I initially thought that Made in Abyss getting anywhere near AOTY was very unlikely, until I looked at the list of 2017 anime. There haven't really been many 'high impact' shows this year, even compared to last year.
 
Lots of people seem to be coming in here 'late' to the Made in Abyss 'party'. For a series not based on a particularly well-known manga, the word of mouth appears to be very strong. Did anyone even make an Off-Topic thread for the show?

I find it's success interesting because, despite all the shows' strengths I would have trouble directly recommending it to a friend because of all the questionable content that the show engages (and occasionally lavishes) in. But that's clearly just me, because the 'word' appears to be spreading about this show.

i just watched this over the last two days and aside from ep 10 it felt like you guys were blowing things out of proportion

but of course i could just be "in too deep" lol
 

sasuke_91

Member
i just watched this over the last two days and aside from ep 10 it felt like you guys were blowing things out of proportion

but of course i could just be "in too deep" lol

Episode 10 and 13. Other than that I was just rolling my eyes about kids being hung up naked and Riko being topless so often. They also really liked talking about Reg's genitalia.
 

Grexeno

Member
I'm betting on either Rakugo: Descending Stories (which was only beaten last year by Diamond is Unbreakable & Mob Psycho), or MHA S2, which came in 4th last year despite that season being clearly inferior to this one.
 

Qurupeke

Member
I'm betting on either Rakugo: Descending Stories (which was only beaten last year by Diamond is Unbreakable & Mob Psycho), or MHA S2, which came in 4th last year despite that season being clearly inferior to this one.

Considering the controversial scene in Rakugo S2, and its implications, maybe MHA S2 deserves the title.
 
Most Gonzo shows are either liked or disliked. Kaleido Star is the only show that is universally praised.

What? That's not true.

[Children of the Whales]

For me, a separate but related problem is that the developments in the narrative have progressed slightly too fast.
It feels like we've literally just met this person 'with no emotions', and by the end of the 2nd episode she's already getting emotional? That's not a lot of build up to give any pay off.

The implication is that
if she spends any extended amount of time away from the emotion-eating goop on her island, her emotions come back.

If it wins AOTY I'm going to write an essay entitled "In Too Deep: A Study of AnimeGAF's descent into the Abyss and how Torture Porn won Anime of the Year 2017".

I mean, you could easily make the argument that Made in Abyss is the best made anime of 2017. I certainly don't endorse every aspect of it, but nevertheless it's one of the most powerful experiences I've had watching anime and in most respects (strong sound direction, atmospheric soundtrack, excellent backgrounds, hopeful yet not saccharine) is exactly the sort of work I'm always looking for.

Considering the controversial scene in Rakugo S2, and its implications, maybe MHA S2 deserves the title.

Ew. Anime hasn't been so bad in 2017 that a mediocre adaptation such as My Hero Academia deserves to be called the best.
 
What kind of controversial scene? I still have to watch Rakugo S2.

It's a scene in the last episode. Spoilers:
There's a conversation which implies that the father of Konatsu's child Shinnosuke was Konatsu's own foster father Yakumo, a rather distasteful implication. It doesn't even make sense with the rest of the story and characterization, so it really sticks out like a sore thumb.
 

Shard

XBLAnnoyance
Waiting to see if The Ancient Magus Bride is actually going to back up the hype it has been getting in terms of prestige, AOTY contender and all that.
 

sasuke_91

Member
It's a scene in the last episode. Spoilers:
There's a conversation which implies that the father of Konatsu's child Shinnosuke was Konatsu's own foster father Yakumo, a rather distasteful implication. It doesn't even make sense with the rest of the story and characterization, so it really sticks out like a sore thumb.
Why am I getting
Usagi Drop
vibes?!
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
To avoid any potential unrest, the Shadow Council's Shadow Council has just had an emergency meeting and has agreed that the title that will cause the least amount of controversy by being gifted AotY is Love Live! Sunshine!.

However, we're happy for the votes to count towards second position.
 
Waiting to see if The Ancient Magus Bride is actually going to back up the hype it has been getting in terms of prestige, AOTY contender and all that.

Seems to be following the welcome to the ballroom trajectory, huge hype by manga readers before airing, dull tepid lack of enthusiasm upon airing. It appears dull and slower that some were expecting.
 

Thud

Member
It's a scene in the last episode. Spoilers:
There's a conversation which implies that the father of Konatsu's child Shinnosuke was Konatsu's own foster father Yakumo, a rather distasteful implication. It doesn't even make sense with the rest of the story and characterization, so it really sticks out like a sore thumb.

It falls in line with the rest of the season about secrecy. I disagree with the notion it sticks out. There's foreshadowing that hints at it and second of all there's a thing called context. In a general case I would have agreed.

Then again I watched everything a few months ago in a binge, so I have a different view about this.
 

Daemul

Member
Konohana Kitan - 3

This has been really good so far, though it's about foxgirls so that's to be expected, it's hard to fuck that up.

To avoid any potential unrest, the Shadow Council's Shadow Council has just had an emergency meeting and has agreed that the title that will cause the least amount of controversy by being gifted AotY is Love Live! Sunshine!.

However, we're happy for the votes to count towards second position.

Love Live! Sunshine! is already guaranteed to be the best selling anime that comes out this year, so lets give the AOTY title to a show who actually needs the spotlight, like My Girlfriend is Shobitch 😙
 
Why am I getting
Usagi Drop
vibes?!

They are both josei manga written by women.

It falls in line with the rest of the season about secrecy. I disagree with the notion it sticks out. There's foreshadowing that hints at it and second of all there's a thing called context. In a general case I would have agreed.

Then again I watched everything a few months ago in a binge, so I have a different view about this.

It sticks out because
it is inconsistent with the characterization of Konatsu and especially Yakumo as seen previously.
 

Daemul

Member
Seems to be following the welcome to the ballroom trajectory, huge hype by manga readers before airing, dull tepid lack of enthusiasm upon airing. It appears dull and slower that some were expecting.

I actually can't disagree with that so far, which is off putting on many levels.

Didn't Classroom of the Elite suffer the same fate? I remember hearing how changes were made from the Light Novel that people didn't like it at all, which led to the anime bombing.
 

Cornbread78

Member
I'm betting on either Rakugo: Descending Stories (which was only beaten last year by Diamond is Unbreakable & Mob Psycho), or MHA S2, which came in 4th last year despite that season being clearly inferior to this one.

Considering the controversial scene in Rakugo S2, and its implications, maybe MHA S2 deserves the title.

Everyone loved that plot twist, c'mon... That what makes Game of Thrones so great, right?


Konosuba S2 already won!
 

petran79

Banned
u wot? Gankutsuou, Welcome to the NHK, Seto no Hanayome and Last Exile are pretty good. Then there's the masterpiece that is Strike Witches.


Having read the original novel, I found Gankutsuou severely lacking, adding high heel mechas and making the Count like Hellsing. Welcome to NHK strangely didnt impress me either. Last Exile had also some storytelling issues.

That was back then. Have to rewatch the last two. Last Exile on Blueray preferably. Must recompare those series to new productions.

While some simple gambatte series like Kaleido Star wouldnt raise many eyebrows.
 

Thud

Member
A plot twist changes something in the plot. There's none of that. This is a reveal that doesn't change the outcome.

It sticks out because
it is inconsistent with the characterization of Konatsu and especially Yakumo as seen previously.

You would have to go in detail here to point out the inconsistency. There are multiple sides to both characters here over a long period of time.
 
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