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[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Imagine calling Musk a sad little shit when you make a living doing this

 

[Heisenberg007]

Imagine calling Musk a sad little shit when you make a living doing this

said* little shit

 

[UltimaKilo]

Actually, you could. As long as you do it in such a way that makes him engage with you properly. The level of publicity you would generate would be colossal. If I were Obsidian I would have invited him to the studio to play the game. 'Don't judge the product before you've played it yourself, Elon!' would have been the messaging I would have used. You don't antagonise people who are anti your product, you win them over.

That would have been OK PR. However, the studio should immediately fire this guy and issue a public apology. Why would you shit on prospective buyers of your product? This is insanity. You are literally putting yourself out of a job, in a difficult industry, at a bad time and making yourself a toxic hire.

Really makes no sense.

 

[Ozriel]

How did that work out for Redfall again?

Lmao, how did that work out for Astrobot, Black Myth Wukong and Stellar Blade, games that had positive previews before launch?

You’d think Redfall was the only game that’s ever been previewed, the way you jesters go on.

 

[Danteyke223]

So weird seeing people mad at Elon/Grummz etc

Theyre just using their platform to inform other gamers whats inside the game these days simple as that.Theyre just literally typing few word and press submit on social media,nothing more than that

Theyre not the ones injecting woke propaganda,makes u wonder why are u mad at the messenger not the ones creating the message eh eh eh

Not really, Grummz and other people like him will call anything woke that has a female or person of color as a protagonist in a videogame. They’ll screech to the high heavens about it, but if a woke game is successful they’ll immediately ignore it

 

[xrnzaaas]

Obsidian is lucky to have 2 projects ongoing, but if they remain on the same trajectory they're gonna be closed after Outer Worlds 2. The studio lost its biggest asset which were the writers. It was always that one thing that saved them and made people play their games despite having to deal with tons of bugs.

 

[panda-zebra]

You know people were actually going to let stuff slide if it was just a thing on the character creator with no other gameplay effects.

The best thing to do was to shut the fuck up and let your product do the talking.

Looking at the other thread, seemingly even a majority of GAF was shrugging their shoulders and not really too arsed either way over the he/him thing. It was a friction point for some, but not the end of the world. Even the most ardent anti-woke activists were struggling to raise a full fledged hate boner over it - just a bit of a semi that faded quickly even when Satan himself was brought into the conversation.

But Hansen's comments (and as much as I might agree with Musk being something of an insipid, sad little shit for reasons beyond his leanings) has thrown fuel of a fire that in isolation never even got beyond (or showed signs of) just a half-hearted smoulder, yet in doing so has conjured a whole bunker's worth of ammunition for the youtube shit-stirrers and social media grifters to enable endless "content" that will have real-world repercussions land at Obsidian's door, however unhinged or misrepresenting it might be. A self-inflicted PR nightmare that's going to directly affect the performance of the game and impact the future of not only himself and his career but also the wider studio. That's what he's brought to this situation with his unfiltered shit-posting.

I get that airing views on social media, in a echo chamber of your own making and curation, often empowers people to say things publicly that they'd probably be best keeping to themselves... but ffs... this has gone so far beyond just that now. I wanted to upset this influential billionaire and an open-ended just wait until you see the default are two massive early xmas presents for culture war vets, especially that last one that they'll be able to read all kinds of wackjob shit into. What a fucking bell-end move that was... It's obvious with his tone and bravado that he expected only pats on the back and cheerleading from his followers on the platform, but somehow didn't imagine the possibility of pushback there and the obvious, inevitable re-posting elsewhere causing such a stink.

As someone who doesn't engage in any form of true social media (just game forums and a touch of reddit), and could not give less of a flying fuck about any side in this futile culture war farce - seeing so much hate and nonsense pollute the discourse around something that means so much to me and has been a part of my life for decades - games and the making of them - it's just beyond tiresome and soul-destroying at this point; only pushing people to the extremes, rarely ever meeting on common ground to engage in worthwhile discourse for the good of the medium. It's poisoned a whole generation of gamers and only contributed to what was a growing abundance of inoffensive, bland, generic mediocrity.

 

[mrmeh]

Rowling didn't stop me from playing Hogwarts's and all this nonsense won't stop me playing Avowed, Woke mind virus/Anti Woke mind virus bullshit I could not give a single fuck about.

 

[Breakfast_At_Noon]

So much for buying this.

 

[Ozriel]

Let’s double down on what 75% of the country voted against. It sounds like a smart person. Just make games and be quiet.

Dodgy math aside, let’s keep politics out of this shit.

It wasn’t long ago when stuff like a genocidal one man army elf killer was the coolest shit I saw and he was in fact gay. Like this cool floating dude with two skin colors fucked gods and got fucked by other gods and even got pregnant was one of the most interesting characters around. I fucken loved it. That was Elder Scrolls. Pelinal Whitestrake and Vivec. In fact that game is littered with so much diversity yet nobody complained. I loved that climate we had in the past.

I want to go back when we could actually appreciate stuff without politics getting in the way.

I find it extremely weird that you truly don’t know that this - as described - would be labeled aa extremely woke and DEI by the likes of Grummz and you’d be called names for liking that.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Rowling didn't stop me from playing Hogwarts's and all this nonsense won't stop me playing Avowed, Woke mind virus/Anti Woke mind virus bullshit I could not give a single fuck about.

The quality needs to be there first and foremost.

The problem with woke games is that quality takes a backseat. Their focus is to force agenda-based stuff at the cost of what should have been there organically. I don't know any anti-woke game with forced agenda, but it'd have been the same case.

Such games suffer from quality, and we have countless examples, e.g., Dustborn, Concord, Forspoken, Dragon Age Veilguard, Saints Row reboot, Redfall, etc.

 

[killatopak]

Dodgy math aside, let’s keep politics out of this shit.



I find it extremely weird that you truly don’t know that this - as described - would be labeled aa extremely woke and DEI by the likes of Grummz and you’d be called names for liking that.

Superficially, yes. Dig deeper and you’ll find that they have applied stuff completely differently.

To put it simply, they were different and awesome. The current ones are they are different therefore they are awesome.

Like their identity is all it is about them. Take it away and you’ll have nothing. In comparison to Pelinal and Vivec, take their genders away and you still have great characters.

That’s what’s missing. Everything is so superficial. It’s all about the labels. They’ll all the fucking same.

 

[Toons]

This guys allowed his taken on Elon just as much as Elon allowed his take on the game he's working on.

I for one, dont think the pronouns are necessarily necessary in the game, but I DO think that Elon is sad, and little.

*shrug*

 

[GHG]

Attention all Black GAFers, like 99% of western studios the people at our game company are 90% White and 90% guys.

We need a couple token minorities or women we can push to the front of the line in company photos to make it look like were super diverse, when almost everyone from rows 2 to 10 are White guys.

Make note, even though this message is open to all Black people, were only going to hire maybe two of you. The rest will still be Whiteys.

 

[xenosys]

Imagine creating something in a multi-million dollar video game just to piss off an individual you don't like.

A racist, self-loathing sad-arse. Hopefully the game bombs and Obsidian turfs him out.

 

[Ozriel]

Looking at the other thread, seemingly even a majority of GAF was shrugging their shoulders and not really too arsed either way over the he/him thing. It was a friction point for some, but not the end of the world. Even the most ardent anti-woke activists were struggling to raise a full fledged hate boner over it - just a bit of a semi that faded quickly even when Satan himself was brought into the conversation.

But Hansen's comments (and as much as I might agree with Musk being something of an insipid, sad little shit for reasons beyond his leanings) has thrown fuel of a fire that in isolation never even got beyond (or showed signs of) just a half-hearted smoulder, yet in doing so has conjured a whole bunker's worth of ammunition for the youtube shit-stirrers and social media grifters to enable endless "content" that will have real-world repercussions land at Obsidian's door, however unhinged or misrepresenting it might be. A self-inflicted PR nightmare that's going to directly affect the performance of the game and impact the future of not only himself and his career but also the wider studio. That's what he's brought to this situation with his unfiltered shit-posting.

I get that airing views on social media, in a echo chamber of your own making and curation, often empowers people to say things publicly that they'd probably be best keeping to themselves... but ffs... this has gone so far beyond just that now. I wanted to upset this influential billionaire and an open-ended just wait until you see the default are two massive early xmas presents for culture war vets, especially that last one that they'll be able to read all kinds of wackjob shit into. What a fucking bell-end move that was... It's obvious with his tone and bravado that he expected only pats on the back and cheerleading from his followers on the platform, but somehow didn't imagine the possibility of pushback there and the obvious, inevitable re-posting elsewhere causing such a stink.

As someone who doesn't engage in any form of true social media (just game forums and a touch of reddit), and could not give less of a flying fuck about any side in this futile culture war farce - seeing so much hate and nonsense pollute the discourse around something that means so much to me and has been a part of my life for decades - games and the making of them - it's just beyond tiresome and soul-destroying at this point; only pushing people to the extremes, rarely ever meeting on common ground to engage in worthwhile discourse for the good of the medium. It's poisoned a whole generation of gamers and only contributed to what was a growing abundance of inoffensive, bland, generic mediocrity.

Well said.
If I was his line manager, I’d be tearing him a new one. Something like this should be career limiting

No matter how right or wrong you think you are, when you speak up in that way, you’re speaking for the game and drawing a ton of negative attention.

 

[CityHunter1981]

Smart to push heavily for something, which will for sure upset many players and lead to review bombing.

 

[GymWolf]

What in the actual fuck

Roach boy already has his video out

 

[GHG]

I have hit a nerve since you people care enough and are easily triggered. I don't cater to glass hearts. I only post what I see in front of me.

Lmao.

 

[Sentenza]

The previews are unanimous that it is - in fact - not shit.

I've seen few previews.
It looks like a second coming of Outer Worlds: the gaming press gassing up Obsidian because it's somewhat of a critical darling, despise the fact that almost everything in the game looks alarmingly mediocre.

 

[Ozriel]

Superficially, yes. Dig deeper and you’ll find that they have applied stuff completely differently.

To put it simply, they were different and awesome. The current ones are they are different therefore they are awesome.

Like their identity is all it is about them. Take it away and you’ll have nothing. In comparison to Pelinal and Vivec, take their genders away and you still have great characters.

That’s what’s missing. Everything is so superficial. It’s all about the labels. They’ll all the fucking same.

In the real world, not a single person of the mob cares enough about your distinction. You lost them at ‘this dude got pregnant’.

did you even read through this thread?

I've seen few previews.
It looks like a second coming of Outer Worlds: the gaming press gassing up Obsidian because it's somewhat of a critical darling, despise the fact that almost everything in the game looks alarmingly mediocre.

Goalposts keeps moving. It used to be folks wailing about the gaming press being compromised and YouTubers being the real source of truth.
Obsidian opened the previews to a ton of YouTubers along with the gaming press, and still we’re getting claims of the game being ‘gassed up’ from someone who hasn’t played it.

 

[gtabro]

The women of Avowed:


Hoooooooooooly shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

 

[Exentryk]

Avowed = Concord 2

RIP

 

[ElFenomeno]

Blacks have priority for him? What a racist prick.
It's always these loonies living in California who are the worst trash.

 

[begotten]

Damn what a shame.

Avowed could have just been another average Xbox game.

Now it's another average Xbox game with a target on its back.

 

[gtabro]

Blacks have priority for him? What a racist prick.

Clearly he's a racist p3do kiddy fiddler, and I do have an issue supporting work by this kind of people. Hard pass. As much as I like Josh Sawyer

 

[dDoc]

The pronouns on the character sheet is one symptom of the disease lurking in the (studio) game.

 

[RespawnX]

There was a time when video games were all about video games. Not about what a cringe billionaire and a cringe studio employee are fighting cultural battles over.
Perhaps it would be time to rename the forum to ‘political and cultural’ discussion, considering that the most active topics here are no longer about games but only cultural battlegrounds and we have multiple active threads for the same discussion.

Now all the clickbaityoutubers are crawling out of their holes to get in on the action anyway. I'll just wait and see the game, the previews sounded good to very good. If a somewhat better Outer Worlds comes out of it, I'll be happy and probably most other RPG fans as well.

 

[kyussman]

Another day with a Y in it.........another nutjob game developer.

 

[Xavier2337]

Obsidian is lucky to have 2 projects ongoing, but if they remain on the same trajectory they're gonna be closed after Outer Worlds 2. The studio lost its biggest asset which were the writers. It was always that one thing that saved them and made people play their games despite having to deal with tons of bugs.

I remembered in the Outer World there's a long side quest is help that lesbian to express her love to othe girl, that's the day make me realized it's not the same team that I loved with Fallout New Vegas and I don't care what they are making right now, it's gonna be shit

 

[Thief1987]

So a fantasy game can have magic and dragons and elfs but if it has different pronouns people freak out?

What a world we live in.

Dragons and magic don't have politics and ideology behind them. It's a silly comparison.

 

[Dibils2k]

If this game fails or not will not depend on this, trust me

 

[Radical_3d]

More like,

I had very good NeoGAF gifs but I’ve lost them all with the closure of some hosting. Sad.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

It seems like the most popular game right now is probably the least woke and that would be STALKER 2.

 

[The Cockatrice]

It seems like the most popular game right now is probably the least woke and that would be STALKER 2.

Shame its a buggy pos. We really can't have perfect triple A non-remake-no-drama games these days huh?

 

[genesisblock]

I want this Obsidian back

Such injustice he is relegated to the DLC portion of the game. It would be far more interesting if he was in the main game to side vs Caesar and Mr. House.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Don't worry guys the engagement will be off the charts that's how MS validates their games these days.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Shame its a buggy pos. We really can't have perfect triple A non-remake-no-drama games these days huh?

Yet people are going crazy over it. I kind of don't get it.

 

[TintoConCasera]

So a fantasy game can have magic and dragons and elfs but if it has different pronouns people freak out?

What a world we live in.

 

[GymWolf]

From the thread title alone, I knew this was going to be some stupid shit posted by a site or someone that is essentially a quote being twisted from its original context, but I was curious about how much it was twisted.

"Avowed Art Director Calls Gamers 'Sickos' Following Pronoun Criticism"

No, Matt Hansen, the Art Director of Avowed did not call all gamers sickos. That is not what happened in that picture at all. The reality is likely closer to what @Ailike pointed out.



Not even saying that Matt Hansen is completely blameless here; I think his biggest mistake was even engaging with this at all. But with even a little bit of scrutiny put towards the post from "tech4gamers", this is incredibly low-tier clickbait shit that isn't worth tripping over.

Also, both Grummz and Elon Musk are insufferable cunts.

What a waste of fucking time.

If he say that musk is a sicko because he hate pronouns in a fantasy game, he is automatically saying that all the people who hate pronouns in a fantasy game are sickos, it's not hard to read between the lines, he call out musk but he is really calling out everyone who hate this retarded shit.

The topic title is clickbaity, but the message they want to send is crystal clear.

It's like saying that musk is a bitch for voting trump...if you think that you are not attacking all the trump voters with that phrase, i have a bridge to sell you...

 

[Senua]

Lmao.

demigod has a challenger

 

[GymWolf]

Then

Now

Bamboozled sound like a more apt name for him.

 

[PeteBull]

I'm not even mad but honestly this stuff is extremely tiring. Now when the game fails they'll blame intolerant white bigots when really everyone is turned off by this crap. Videogame industry is going to see a big shakeup moving forward and I can't wait to see it.

Lets do that 2gether in deadpool style

 

[kaizenkko]

I'm having Concord feelings.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[John Wick]

It would be funny if Musk bought them only to fire his ass.
Hopefully this will be a colossal failure and pronoun queens will keep their mouths and agendas shut.

 

[Bernardougf]

So a fantasy game can have magic and dragons and elfs but if it has different pronouns people freak out?

What a world we live in.

Im almost sure the pronouns will be accompanied by bad preechy storytelling, cringe dialog, bad character design, ugly masculinized probably lesbian females characters, girl bosses, stupid beta males... I could go on and on ... pronouns are just the first red flag for the whole woke shittard package now days.

 

[xenosys]

Blacks have priority for him? What a racist prick.
It's always these loonies living in California who are the worst trash.

Ironically, if a publisher decided to kick him out in favour of a DEI hire, he'd be the first to kick up a fuss about it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I wonder how this guy feels that he has probably just sunk a 50-80 million (guesstimate) investment from MS / Obsidian.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

Lmao.