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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
"it's just a pronoun" -->"it's a top scar option"-->"It's just offering a being trans option"-->"Just don't offend marginalized groups"-->"All fucking white males are evil"-->"come to fight me, physically"

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MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Honestly if devs act like this and by extension big companies who operate on spend everything they earned to make it all back and then some by next year gamers can just refuse to buy their products and just watch them sink. I think it might be worth sacrificing a few IPs and companies to send a message about what kind of games(quality and artistic vision) gamers actually want instead of these companies making games for themselves which is what it ends up being.

The time of Indie devs is here and the time of Company brand loyalty is over.

It's going to be like movies where you don't go to see a movie because Pixar made it but because it starred Robin Williams as an example.

A gaming example of this would be you didn't buy Xenoblade because it was Xenoblade but because it's a Tetsuya Takahashi game.
 

LectureMaster

Gold Member
Don't be so sure. The last movie was already straddling that line, and MachineGames isn't exactly known for subtlety. There was a scene in Wolfenstein 2 where a pregnant topless girlboss gunned down Nazis in slow motion lol
Yeah I was jaw dropping how much of the tone changed in The New Colossus compared to The New Order, it is almost farcical.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Yes but they were smart enough to not to hyper focus on it, and not antagonize the players about it on social media. That’s why there was no outrage, and no one gave a fuck.

Lmao, we had a thread about Avowed pronouns, a Grummz hate tweet and an Elon follow up over a single screenshot of a toggle taken from a preview video.

All that with zero ‘hyper focus’ from Obsidian.

Let’s keep these conversations honest
 
Im almost sure the pronouns will be accompanied by bad preechy storytelling, cringe dialog, bad character design, ugly masculinized probably lesbian females characters, girl bosses, stupid beta males... I could go on and on ... pronouns are just the first red flag for the whole woke shittard package now days.
That is different and we don’t know yet. Now we’re just talking about pronouns in a fantasy setting with other weird stuff.

You could play as a chick with a dick in Cyberpunk and that was perfectly fine, it is an RPG set in a dystopian future after all. I don’t remember people freaking out at the same level as today when people go ballistic because someone mention ”pronoun”.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Don't be so sure. The last movie was already straddling that line, and MachineGames isn't exactly known for subtlety. There was a scene in Wolfenstein 2 where a pregnant topless girlboss gunned down Nazis in slow motion lol
Wow, maybe I missed playing this one, I seem to recall a couple of them but wooooooooow that scene is nuts!

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That goofy ass scooby gang at the end, WTF?
 

Ogbert

Member
Thankfully, it looks like we’re getting towards a healthy place.

Toxic gender drivel is commercial suicide and any product associated with it will fail. Companies have deep pockets, but even they will tire of relentless failure.

These cunts will slowly get purged from developers and they can go back to being a tattoo artist, working at a microbrewery or committing self harm. Either way, no one has to know.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Thankfully, it looks like we’re getting towards a healthy place.

Toxic gender drivel is commercial suicide and any product associated with it will fail. Companies have deep pockets, but even they will tire of relentless failure.

These cunts will slowly get purged from developers and they can go back to being a tattoo artist, working at a microbrewery or committing self harm. Either way, no one has to know.
Hey now, these types are ruining microbrews with their quadruple IPAs, fruited sours, and hard seltzers.

I'd almost rather they stay in game design :p
 

Madflavor

Member
Lmao, we had a thread about Avowed pronouns, a Grummz hate tweet and an Elon follow up over a single screenshot of a toggle taken from a preview video.

All that with zero ‘hyper focus’ from Obsidian.

Let’s keep these conversations honest

I am keeping it honest. It's been a day or so since Avowed's Art Director made those tweets. We'll see how long the drama continues or if it escalates. But in regards to why something like Baldur's Gate 3 wasn't surrounded by culture wars regarding it's progressive elements, it's because they didn't focus much on it during it's marketing and they weren't antagonistic and insulting to their fans on social media.

The Art Director with this game is very intentionally trying to stir shit up.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
You don't think the Obsidian art director's rage tweets on it gave this any "hyper focus"?

Of course the art director’s tweets gave this hyper focus. I’ve said as much multiple times in this thread. It was a needless response that has likely worsened the outcome for themselves. People need to choose their enemies wisely.

All I’ve said is that There was already active negative PR here and on social media before then, Even when Obsidian had done nothing at the time to draw attention to the toggle to choose pronouns. So clearly ‘publisher not drawing attention’ wasn’t the reason why BG3 got a pass.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Lmao, we had a thread about Avowed pronouns, a Grummz hate tweet and an Elon follow up over a single screenshot of a toggle taken from a preview video.

All that with zero ‘hyper focus’ from Obsidian.

Let’s keep these conversations honest
Yeah, sure. lol. All of this is happening due to the Art Director of Avowed, the person you chose to ignore completely in your comment.

If you want to blame anyone, blame him and the Avowed dev team for going down this woke route.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Of course the art director’s tweets gave this hyper focus. I’ve said as much multiple times in this thread. It was a needless response that has likely worsened the outcome for themselves. People need to choose their enemies wisely.

That's fair. I didn't see your other posts.
 
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GHG

Member
All I’ve said is that There was already active negative PR here and on social media before then, Even when Obsidian had done nothing at the time to draw attention to the toggle to choose pronouns. So clearly ‘publisher not drawing attention’ wasn’t the reason why BG3 got a pass.

BG3 was in early access for years before the final release. The nature of the content was public knowledge for a very long time.

We've already been through it in this thread but it wasn't that the game got "a pass", it's more that the quality of the writing shone through (so none of the inclusion and representation felt forced) and the fact that neither the game or the developers came across a preachy agenda driven cunts.
 

xenosys

Member
Yep. A couple times. Elon is shit posting like a madman bringing lots of attention to this saga. I love our current timeline.



The entire saga is hilarious.

The right-wing grifters online like Miles Cheong and Grummz have got one of the most powerful men on the planet signal boosting them to all 200m of his followers, whilst he's calling out the CEO of Xbox and tagging them into a post which includes an Art Director for one of their biggest games proudly admitting to discrimination in the workplace. What a world we're living in.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I didn't know the Elon fanclub was so big on here. This is funny to me lol

elon has become a conservative cheerleader in the past 3 years so... if he ever goes back to supporting dems expect people here to shit on him because politics now are like supporting sports team sigh
 
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