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[Killjoy-NL]

I think adding 70+ million consoles to your launch will matter. Doesn't mean it will sell 10 million copies, but it could sell half that and still be doing better than it is now.

Potentially, sure.

GamePass was also aimed at a market of potentially 2 Billion users.

Edit:

There are an estimated 1.75 Billion PC gamers:

Number of PC gamers worldwide 2024 | Statista

In 2020, there were an estimated 1.75 billion PC gamers worldwide, up from 1.5 billion PC gaming users in the previous year.

www.statista.com

How did that work out for Avowed, Indy and GamePass?

 

[Topher]

Potentially, sure.

GamePass was also aimed at a market of potentially 2 Billion users.

Yeah, I remember that pipe dream.

How did that work out for Avowed, Indy and GamePass?

It didn't. That's my point.

 

[Fess]

Yeah, but the question is how much PS5 can help.

With their output as of late, it won't be nearly enough.
Just look at Tango.

The bar is a lot higher on Playstation, especially since Xbox 1st party will now directly compete with Sony on the same platform.

You make it seem like only Sony games are selling on PlayStation…

Try to take a step back from the platform war and think about it. Going forward Microsoft’s games will be day 1 on Steam, Microsoft Store, Xbox, PS5, maybe Switch 2, and they’ll have a subscription service for day 1 releases for those who want that, available on PC, Xbox, cloud.

I mean, I can’t see any scenario where that’ll turn out bad for revenue. Numbers are going to go up. Zero doubt.

The loss they’ll see is essentially just on Xbox since the console is slowly dying, but I’m not sure that loss is as big as people think, it’s been terrible for a long time already so might not be a big deal.

Tbh, just going day 1 everywhere is going to fix so much, late releases always sell mid at best. And it’ll also take away a lot of negativity during release times since it’s easy to see that much of it comes from those who can’t access the games.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Mass Effect didn't bother me because I didn't go in expecting to be transported to a medieval world, and it feels quite a bit different, there's not towns like Oblivion with thousands of building to explore, or sprawling dungeons at every corner.

Thousands? Let's not get carried away here... Maybe a thousand if you count every shack. Maybe.. But agree, Mass Effect and Elder Scrolls are completely different types of games. Avowed is much closer to Mass Effect in terms of design.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Because you put me in a neat little box with a tag on it but you don't fucking know me

Again, I don't give a fug about you nor do I want or care to know you.

I know its very hard to conceptualize Ubislop but glad you love it. I hope you have AC shadows pre-ordered. The finest slop cuisine in gaming world.

Marvel and Horizon story?

For a teenage fanfic maybe

Such a good critic, you really do fit the abe simpson meme.

I don't like those open worlds. End of story. No matter how many times you repeat that you LOVED the web slinging or that you LOVED the minigame mobile ass tier puzzles or how you LOVED button smashing goons 1000 times, It won't change a thing.

And I'm not the only one finding those games average.

Since, no wonder you are defending avowed. You are just like the other green rats that populate this forum. All your critic lacks any substance and depth. Really shows your "gaming experience".

April 3rd 2025.. already on PC.. ok

I already said I liked TLoU part 1 and will likely buy TLoU part 2 even though it has a LOT of controversy that game doesn't it? 5.8 user critic HMMMMMmmmmmmm But nevermind that, I don't follow grifter talking points that are all telling me this game is woke and should not play it its a disaster, naughty dog is dead, etc. Maybe you could take example.

Could have sworn that already released on pc, my bad.

Do tell me what grifters I follow, lol. Would really like to know more. You say that yet you repeat the exact same point green rats grifters on this site say about Sony games. How curious.

You talk a lot about something you haven't played though, while I have.

Topher @Gonzito DownLikeBCPowder @Mister Wolf and probably a shitload more I am forgetting in the OT were skeptical of this game. They're enjoying it. GOTY? Probably not. But they're enjoying it.

I'm enjoying it more than my 75h playthrough of KCD 1 that I finished last week. Would I rate it above KCD? No. As there's respect for what KCD is trying to do and is completely alone in its own sim-RPG genre and I appreciate that. But fun is fun , it can sometimes take over whatever review score it was thrown at. I'm sure there's a ton of peoples enjoying Yakuza pirate even with a 79 metacritic. I don't see you trolling them, how come?

I am right because others like the game I like!! Yet you ignore the same when it comes to Sony games, wonder if we go to threads about horizon and Spiderman over here and in general on reddit and other sites, wonder what people say about horizon and Spiderman, hmmm. You sure do go around defending this game a lot while saying anyone who disaagrees with you is a grifters or the games they like are slop, somthing I don't see others doing. They aren't grifters like you nor are they acting like a full time defense force.

 

[adamsapple]

Again, I don't give a fug about you nor do I want or care to know you.

Proceeds to write a long post showing that he does in-fact give a fug.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yeah, I remember that pipe dream.

I edited my post:

There's 1.75 Billion PC gamers, yet GP is barely getting a foothold in the PC market and Xbox games like Avowed and Indy barely sell.

You make it seem like only Sony games are selling on PlayStation…

Try to take a step back from the platform war and think about it. Going forward Microsoft’s games will be day 1 on Steam, Microsoft Store, Xbox, PS5, maybe Switch 2, and they’ll have a subscription service for day 1 releases for those who want that, available on PC, Xbox, cloud.

I mean, I can’t see any scenario where that’ll turn out bad for revenue. Numbers are going to go up. Zero doubt.

The loss they’ll see is essentially just on Xbox since the console is slowly dying, but I’m not sure that loss is as big as people think, it’s been terrible for a long time already so might not be a big deal.

Tbh, just going day 1 everywhere is going to fix so much, late releases always sell mid at best. And it’ll also take away a lot of negativity during release times since it’s easy to see that much of it comes from those who can’t access the games.

Cool and all, but I'm always arguing that most people don't care about Sony's 1st party output all that much either (neither do I).

PS just has better quality, hence why their games sell much more.

There's also a big difference between PS and Xbox as Xbox is dying and needs to keep the Xbox division viable.

For Playstation, it's far less of a problem if their games don't, because they're thriving.

So I was already 'stepping away from platform-wars'.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Proceeds to write a long post showing that he does in-fact give a fug.

He is interacting on a forum but doesn't care about the other person!!!! OMG!!!

As I said, I don't give fug about people I don't know. Thought this forum was about game discussions, that's what I am here for. Not to care or know about people or their history here.

 

[Sanepar]

Imo Avowed is miles better than Starfield on everything bust mostly on main plot.

 

[Topher]

I edited my post:

There's 1.75 Billion PC gamers, yet GP is barely getting a foothold in the PC market and Xbox games like Avowed and Indy barely sell.

I edited mine as well. Yes. That's probably the biggest reason why Microsoft is now publishing games on PlayStation. My point is they are not doing themselves any favors by not launching on PS day one.

 

[Kacho]

I wonder - has Asmon played Pillars of Eternity or the sequel? Does he even like CRPGs in that style?

No, he's an MMO goblin so he's never played cRPGs, Oblivion, Skyrim, etc. But he still sees the vibe shift in the games. Warcraft is a great example of this too. It used to be about buff humans and orcs beating the shit out of each other. Now it's something much more effeminate.



vs



The vibe change between Avowed's reveal trailer vs the final product is very similar.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You make it seem like only Sony games are selling on PlayStation…

Try to take a step back from the platform war and think about it. Going forward Microsoft’s games will be day 1 on Steam, Microsoft Store, Xbox, PS5, maybe Switch 2, and they’ll have a subscription service for day 1 releases for those who want that, available on PC, Xbox, cloud.

I mean, I can’t see any scenario where that’ll turn out bad for revenue. Numbers are going to go up. Zero doubt.

The loss they’ll see is essentially just on Xbox since the console is slowly dying, but I’m not sure that loss is as big as people think, it’s been terrible for a long time already so might not be a big deal.

Tbh, just going day 1 everywhere is going to fix so much, late releases always sell mid at best. And it’ll also take away a lot of negativity during release times since it’s easy to see that much of it comes from those who can’t access the games.

I don't think his point was that only Sony games sell on PlayStation. The key word he used was "especially" which isn't to imply "only".

You have to compete with all publishers on PlayStation not just Sony. It's a competitive market place. The size of the userbase doesn't guarantee high sales nor does it guarantee an offset from lost platform sales/royalties.

If Microsoft games going to PlayStation craters the Xbox userbase and they lose 3rd party royalties for games like EA FC and more of their CoD money goes to Sony, and their subscriber numbers fall, will it be worth it?

If Microsoft can have their cake and eat it too, this will be a great move for them. If the market determines that Xbox is unviable as a result, I don't think this move is going to be a net positive for them. ABK was already on PlayStation and PC and on switch to the extent that it could be.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

I edited mine as well. Yes. That's probably the biggest reason why Microsoft is now publishing games on PlayStation. My point is they are not doing themselves any favors by not launching on PS day one.

Could agree with that on Indiana( it looks like something that generally sells well on ps) but honestly though avowed's biggest market would be pc. western rpgs generally tend to do better on pc, from what I know. Didn't outer worlds sell better on pc as well?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I edited mine as well. Yes. That's probably the biggest reason why Microsoft is now publishing games on PlayStation. My point is they are not doing themselves any favors by not launching on PS day one.

Yeah, hard to disagree with that.

 

[Topher]

Could agree with that on Indiana( it looks like something that generally sells well on ps) but honestly though avowed's biggest market would be pc. western rpgs generally tend to do better on pc, from what I know. Didn't outer worlds sell better on pc as well?

The Outer Worlds hit 4 million sold across all platforms, but I don't know how many sold were on PC. I think you are right in that a game like this usually does pretty well on PC though. For some reason it isn't connecting. Could be the "vibe" or could be folks were put off by the devs bullshit and all that drama surrounding the pronouns. Could be they wanted Obsidian's take on Skyrim and this wasn't it. Combination of all of it probably. It's too bad. I think it is a really good game.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

The Outer Worlds hit 4 million sold across all platforms, but I don't know how many sold were on PC. I think you are right in that a game like this usually does pretty well on PC though. For some reason it isn't connecting. Could be the "vibe" or could be folks were put off by the devs bullshit and all that drama surrounding the pronouns. Could be they wanted Obsidian's take on Skyrim and this wasn't it. Combination of all of it probably. It's too bad. I think it is a really good game.

Looking to play the game in the future, can you tell what you liked?

 

[Topher]

Looking to play the game in the future, can you tell what you liked?

The combat is great. Like the crafting and upgrading as well. Character progression is pretty good. Like the fact that I am not pigeon holed into a "class" and I can pretty much utilize any ability across fighter, wizard or ranger. Main story is still up in the air. Feels like a bit like Greedfall. Still not sure. Side quests are very enjoyable, imo.

Negatives are the static cities and a world that could be filled in a little more. Not like to the extent of a Dragon's Dogma, but a few more enemy camps and enemy variety would go a long way. Some of the writing hasn't been great.

This isn't a game that is going to win awards. It's a bit shallow and has some systems missing that we've taken for granted in other games. But the combat really shines and that is what is making the overall experience enjoyable.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

My point is they are not doing themselves any favors by not launching on PS day one.

100%. You have to take advantage of the hype train when it's at full steam

 

[Buggy Loop]

I am right because others like the game I like!! Yet you ignore the same when it comes to Sony games,

I've bought the Sony games and played them.

wonder if we go to threads about horizon and Spiderman over here and in general on reddit and other sites, wonder what people say about horizon and Spiderman, hmmm.

Spoiler: Horizon

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/horizon-zero-dawn-is-boring.1462268/

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/horizon-zero-dawn-is-very-boring.1359115/

Spoiler: Spider-man

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanPS4/comments/cu11ym/does_anyone_else_feel_like_marvels_spiderman/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ptdp8x/unpopular_opinion_spiderman_ps4_is_a_really/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanP...ers_did_anyone_else_think_the_story_was_weak/

https://www.reddit.com/r/videogames/comments/18xzxpi/is_the_gameplay_in_marvels_spiderman_overrated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelsSpiderMan/comments/c8k0z1/marvels_spiderman_ps4_is_absolute_garbage/

Anyone else find the game boring? :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

I mean the story is passable but out side of that its incredibly tedious and well boring, The backpacks the photos etc Harry's clinics.. after about 20 minutes its really the same thing over and over.. Sure it feels like spider-man and plays well combat wise but after beating up the billionth...

steamcommunity.com

Most overrated game :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

Fake open world, chidish basic strory ,worst side quests (all of them same). like until down game xxxx spam, combat script and boring , graphics and fg optimation is good. 7/10 game max

steamcommunity.com

This game is boring :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

No idea how it got such good reviews. They nailed the web swinging but that's about it. The rest is utterly boring, with all the bad gameplay elements you could cram into an open world game. Tower climb area reveal crap, braindead AI, lackluster minigames. I guess it's the cool thing to do to...

steamcommunity.com

Anyone else find the game boring? :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

I mean the story is passable but out side of that its incredibly tedious and well boring, The backpacks the photos etc Harry's clinics.. after about 20 minutes its really the same thing over and over.. Sure it feels like spider-man and plays well combat wise but after beating up the billionth...

steamcommunity.com

And that's without Spider-man 2 where a lot more peoples realize how bad it is.

You sure do go around defending this game a lot while saying anyone who disaagrees with you is a grifters or the games they like are slop, somthing I don't see others doing. They aren't grifters like you nor are they acting like a full time defense force.

I know you have a hard time following. I talked about grifters throwing TLoU part 2 under the bus. Ain't stopping me from purchasing it. Ain't stopping me from Avowed either. Sorry that Spider-man & Horizon, your favorite games ever, I didn't like. What a triggering. I explain in detail that masses of gamers are cherishing the wrong games. Putting Spider-man on a pedestal and letting Returnal tank in sales, what a fucking clown show. This is the FIFA/COD crowd filling the ranks of consoles. A far fucking cry from the earlier PSX/PS2 days. Sony chased open world trends on the same Ubisoft mold and now they've spent billions on GAAS. Can't say this is their good days.

I can't take anyone going with green rats rhetoric serious. Doubt you'll stay around 20 years here. I'm such a green rat, throwing Starfield under the bus and having a smaller library of their games than Sony titles. But just because I'm enjoying Avowed while I was a massive fan of Pillars of Eternity.

You got it Sherlock

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

A lot of haters got baited by that 0 in the thumbnail.

Never seen anyone celebrate getting grifted like this.

In their defense, if they were intelligent, they wouldnt be griftees.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The combat is great. Like the crafting and upgrading as well. Character progression is pretty good. Like the fact that I am not pigeon holed into a "class" and I can pretty much utilize any ability across fighter, wizard or ranger. Main story is still up in the air. Feels like a bit like Greedfall. Still not sure. Side quests are very enjoyable, imo.

Negatives are the static cities and a world that could be filled in a little more. Not like to the extent of a Dragon's Dogma, but a few more enemy camps and enemy variety would go a long way. Some of the writing hasn't been great.

This isn't a game that is going to win awards. It's a bit shallow and has some systems missing that we've taken for granted in other games. But the combat really shines and that is what is making the overall experience enjoyable.

How would you compare it to Outer Worlds? For me, Outer Worlds was like the exact definition of “mid”. Just barely good enough to keep me playing til the end, but the whole thing felt kinda half baked and unsatisfying and made no lasting impression on me.

If it’s at least as good as Outer Worlds then I might give it a shot, when it’s at a deep discount and I have nothing better to play.

Also I’ll just say it sounds so strange to play an Obsidian game for the sheer joy of the combat. That piqued my interest a bit.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

How would you compare it to Outer Worlds? For me, Outer Worlds was like the exact definition of “mid”. Just barely good enough to keep me playing til the end, but the whole thing felt kinda half baked and unsatisfying and made no lasting impression on me.

If it’s at least as good as Outer Worlds then I might give it a shot, when it’s at a deep discount and I have nothing better to play.

Also I’ll just say it sounds so strange to play an Obsidian game for the sheer joy of the combat. That piqued my interest a bit.

I didn't really like Outer Worlds, played for a few hours but it didn't click with me for whatever reason. Really loving Avowed though. Not sure how well they compare on the whole, though.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I mean you're wrong, I just started a play through of Skyrim Switch version and that one can't be modded*

*It actually can on a hacked Switch because of course they found a way the madmen but I'm playing it exactly as it was released on Switch

What does the Switch version have to do with PC numbers?

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

The combat is great. Like the crafting and upgrading as well. Character progression is pretty good. Like the fact that I am not pigeon holed into a "class" and I can pretty much utilize any ability across fighter, wizard or ranger. Main story is still up in the air. Feels like a bit like Greedfall. Still not sure. Side quests are very enjoyable, imo.

Negatives are the static cities and a world that could be filled in a little more. Not like to the extent of a Dragon's Dogma, but a few more enemy camps and enemy variety would go a long way. Some of the writing hasn't been great.

This isn't a game that is going to win awards. It's a bit shallow and has some systems missing that we've taken for granted in other games. But the combat really shines and that is what is making the overall experience enjoyable.

So good combat, good side content and average main story?. Sounds like witcher 3. I like the sound of combining skills across classes and from what I have heard you get limited xp so you still have to pick and choose, I am assuming it isn't a case of being able to unlock every skill and build still matters. My main issue with greedfall was the camera( had to actually quit the game and hour in as it was giving my a headache). I don't mind average main stories( I liked days gone's story and it is as average as one can get). Infact, your description matches a lot about how I feel regarding days gone. A 7/10 game that doesn't do anything special but is pretty fun. Is the atmosphere good and exploration rewarding?

Considering the negatives, I assume you don't spend a lot of time within cities. Like, you go to a quest giver, he gives a quest and you go out of the city to some dungeon or something?

Anyways, thanks man. Sounds good to me, will get around to the game when I get some time.

I've bought the Sony games and played them.

yet your description and criticisms sound like someone who was wearing a blindfold while playing them.

Spoiler: Horizon

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/horizon-zero-dawn-is-boring.1462268/

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/horizon-zero-dawn-is-very-boring.1359115/

Spoiler: Spider-man

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanPS4/comments/cu11ym/does_anyone_else_feel_like_marvels_spiderman/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ptdp8x/unpopular_opinion_spiderman_ps4_is_a_really/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanP...ers_did_anyone_else_think_the_story_was_weak/

https://www.reddit.com/r/videogames/comments/18xzxpi/is_the_gameplay_in_marvels_spiderman_overrated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelsSpiderMan/comments/c8k0z1/marvels_spiderman_ps4_is_absolute_garbage/

Anyone else find the game boring? :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

I mean the story is passable but out side of that its incredibly tedious and well boring, The backpacks the photos etc Harry's clinics.. after about 20 minutes its really the same thing over and over.. Sure it feels like spider-man and plays well combat wise but after beating up the billionth...

steamcommunity.com

Most overrated game :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

Fake open world, chidish basic strory ,worst side quests (all of them same). like until down game xxxx spam, combat script and boring , graphics and fg optimation is good. 7/10 game max

steamcommunity.com

This game is boring :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

No idea how it got such good reviews. They nailed the web swinging but that's about it. The rest is utterly boring, with all the bad gameplay elements you could cram into an open world game. Tower climb area reveal crap, braindead AI, lackluster minigames. I guess it's the cool thing to do to...

steamcommunity.com

Anyone else find the game boring? :: Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered General Discussions

I mean the story is passable but out side of that its incredibly tedious and well boring, The backpacks the photos etc Harry's clinics.. after about 20 minutes its really the same thing over and over.. Sure it feels like spider-man and plays well combat wise but after beating up the billionth...

steamcommunity.com

And that's without Spider-man 2 where a lot more peoples realize how bad it is.

LMAO. You do realise you can do that for any game. I can just type "xx game bad" and get plenty of posts extremely similar to ones you linked. Here is a fun example of bloodborne, there a re dozens of them if you bother to Google just like you did horizon and Spiderman.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamegrumps/comments/3dw4kd/bloodborne_is_a_terrible_terriblydesigned_game/

Also still doesn't change that a lot of people like those games. There is a reason why Spiderman 2 was selling so well and why horizon and its sequel were also( well before Sony killed forbidden west sales by releasing it on plus). Doesn't change the fact that a lot of people, even in this forum like both those games.

I know you have a hard time following. I talked about grifters throwing TLoU part 2 under the bus. Ain't stopping me from purchasing it. Ain't stopping me from Avowed either. Sorry that Spider-man & Horizon, your favorite games ever, I didn't like. What a triggering. I explain in detail that masses of gamers are cherishing the wrong games. Putting Spider-man on a pedestal and letting Returnal tank in sales, what a fucking clown show. This is the FIFA/COD crowd filling the ranks of consoles. A far fucking cry from the earlier PSX/PS2 days. Sony chased open world trends on the same Ubisoft mold and now they've spent billions on GAAS. Can't say this is their good days.

Yet you actually exactly like those grifters when it comes to games like Spiderman and horizon. "Why are people liking games I don't like? " Is all you have been saying. Also, "billions" man Concord budget just keeps on increasing every week.

I can't take anyone going with green rats rhetoric serious. Doubt you'll stay around 20 years here. I'm such a green rat, throwing Starfield under the bus and having a smaller library of their games than Sony titles. But just because I'm enjoying Avowed while I was a massive fan of Pillars of Eternity.

You got it Sherlock

Again your words are eerily similar to what a known green rat told me a few weeks ago on this forum. And just like I replied to him, I don't care about staying here or anywhere for 20 years.

I put money I'm here long after you. Who is clearly someone alt.

Keep warring. It's not my thing anymore and hasn't been for while. I'm just calling out Sony shill hypocrisy.

 

[BigLee74]

My point is they are not doing themselves any favors by not launching on PS day one.

Whilst this move would likely destroy Xbox in double quick time, if it shuts up half the morons in this forum then I guess I am all for it.

(I may be including myself in this )

 

[PeteBull]

Whilst this move would likely destroy Xbox in double quick time, if it shuts up half the morons in this forum then I guess I am all for it.

(I may be including myself in this )

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Whilst this move would likely destroy Xbox in double quick time, if it shuts up half the morons in this forum then I guess I am all for it.

(I may be including myself in this )

I wonder if anyone will ever be as defensive of EA or Ubisoft as they are of Xbox.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Go watch the comments of any Avowed video on Tiktok.

It's the laughing stock on social media rn.
Most people will call it worse than mid, even moreso after the comparisons with Oblivion and Skyrim.

It was never meant to be Skyrim or Oblivion. If they are comparing it to those....then that's a them problem.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

I don't recommend many videos on here, but this is hilarious.

Another on-point banger.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

What does the Switch version have to do with PC numbers?

You were saying nobody plays Skyrim vanilla (unmodded) anymore and I was telling you I'm currently doing a vanilla play though

TBH I'm not sure how vanilla the Anniversary Edition is compared to the original 2011 launch version but that's the base version of the game you play today in 2025

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't recommend many videos on here, but this is hilarious.

Concord really broke some people

 

[adamsapple]

Concord really broke some people

The fact that only one of them is available at retail anymore is immediately disqualifying of any faux comparison between the two, but grifters gonna grift.

 

[laynelane]

another misconception. Gamers are not clueless or lost, wating for someone to show them the light. No. Gamers know what's up,...

I'm not sure it's a misconception in most cases - it's been used and is being used more and more often to dismiss any criticism surrounding a game. It's a not so subtle dig at the other person's intelligence (you got grifted lol) and a disingenuous attempt to dismiss feedback that is unfavorable.

 

[Fess]

If Microsoft can have their cake and eat it too, this will be a great move for them. If the market determines that Xbox is unviable as a result, I don't think this move is going to be a net positive for them. ABK was already on PlayStation and PC and on switch to the extent that it could be.

Let’s be real. There is no cake. It’s already gone, they’re nibbling at the crumbles left on the table at this point.

So they had to do this change. Spreading out means that they can keep doing their not-working-thing while getting more money than ever from regular sales again. PS5 is 3x bigger than Xbox and Switch is 150 million and Switch 2 could be as popular as Switch 1.

They just have to get rid of the delays now to keep the hype going on all platforms at release.

 

[Topher]

Concord really broke some people

That one comes across more like a parody than anything else.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

That one comes across more like a parody than anything else.

I wasn't about to give them a click

 

[Kacho]

Another on-point banger.

Dude always kills it. This and his Gotham Knights, Shattered Space, Phantom Liberty and Diablo 4 videos are the cream of the crop.

 

[nkarafo]

I feel bad for the actual programmers and people doing the actual work, who have to work under feminist activists supervisors.

 

[Topher]

How would you compare it to Outer Worlds? For me, Outer Worlds was like the exact definition of “mid”. Just barely good enough to keep me playing til the end, but the whole thing felt kinda half baked and unsatisfying and made no lasting impression on me.

If it’s at least as good as Outer Worlds then I might give it a shot, when it’s at a deep discount and I have nothing better to play.

Also I’ll just say it sounds so strange to play an Obsidian game for the sheer joy of the combat. That piqued my interest a bit.

Been too long since I played Outer Worlds, but I didn't come away from that game with positive vibes either. Probably one of the more forgettable games. It felt like poor man's Fallout, to me, just like Avowed feels like a poor man's Skyrim. I wasn't really a fan of the combat in Outer Worlds. There is more to the combat in Avowed though and yeah, that's what I'm enjoying. There are a number of approaches you can take in combining the various classes. Freezing an enemy with magic and then taking shots at them with my bow is a favorite of mine. There is some depth here in the combat even if the game isn't overall deep. Don't get me wrong. We ain't talking Baldur's Gate 3 level of depth. I don't want to build it up too much.

I'd say definitely take the low risk route and buy it cheap when you have a hankering for a simple , fun fantasy RPG.

 

[Ywap]

Is it just for me or do the game stutter alot on PC?

 

[Topher]

Is it just for me or do the game stutter alot on PC?

I haven't noticed any stuttering myself. What CPU/GPU are you using?

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Is it just for me or do the game stutter alot on PC?

No stuttering for me, 1080ti, high settings.

 

[Team Andromeda]

What’s so great about it in your view? Seems to not be in the same tier as truly great RPGs

Define truly great RPGs for this gen

 

[demigod]

No stuttering for me, 1080ti, high settings.

1080p?

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

1080p?

1440, but only 30fps.

 

[reinking]

I haven't noticed any stuttering myself. What CPU/GPU are you using?

Quick unrelated question since I know you play it 3rd person. I finally got around to trying on the XBSX and in my experience 3rd person was a bit janky when it comes to things like picking up loot. Is 3rd perspm better on PC? Are you still using a controller or KB/M? I might need to switch to PC for this one.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Let’s be real. There is no cake. It’s already gone, they’re nibbling at the crumbles left on the table at this point.

So they had to do this change. Spreading out means that they can keep doing their not-working-thing while getting more money than ever from regular sales again. PS5 is 3x bigger than Xbox and Switch is 150 million and Switch 2 could be as popular as Switch 1.

They just have to get rid of the delays now to keep the hype going on all platforms at release.

You might not think there is a cake, but we're still talking about billions of dollars in annual royalties.

Every game sold digitally with 30% royalties, every MTX... You're talking about transformational money as if it was nothing.

It's a major assumption that that can be offset by increase of B2P sales on other platforms.

 

[Fess]

Is it just for me or do the game stutter alot on PC?

Runs well for me:

1440p, Epic, RT on, 7900x, 4090
DLSS Quality, frame generation off. Smooth.

4K, Epic, RT on, 7800x3D, 4080S
DLSS Quality, frame generation on mostly because the fans are ramping up otherwise but I saw minor stutters.

There are weird stuttery movements on npcs walking in cities though, looks like they move in 30fps or something like that, I don’t understand it.

 

[mayham2199]

Let's just be blunt about avowed. Avowed is a double A game that's a perfect gamepass game but fails to move the needle in any direction for xbox as a whole or gamepass. You can have games like avowed on your subscription service because there's always a place for a game like avowed on it, but the problem is that you need bigger and more premium games at the top of your subscription service pulling the weight so that a game like avowed isn't being relied upon to carry the load.


Microsoft/xbox have failed to produce enough high end premium games to bolster gamepass which in turn means that games like avowed, hellblade 2, etc are being propped up as triple A premium releases when they simply were never going to be that and should've never been expected to be that. The failure to produce high end premium games screwed avowed because said failure meant that the expectations for avowed were increased ten fold and it was never going to reach them.

This “gamepass game” is the issue with GP in general. There are to many actual good games to be asking people to spend their time on a mediocre game.

 

[Fess]

You might not think there is a cake, but we're still talking about billions of dollars in annual royalties.

Every game sold digitally with 30% royalties, every MTX... You're talking about transformational money as if it was nothing.

It's a major assumption that that can be offset by increase of B2P sales on other platforms.

Based on current year figures?
I just know that I haven’t bought anything on Xbox this generation and going by sales lists it’s rare to ever see an Xbox game on a top list and platform percentages splits are single digit now.
But maybe MTX are selling idk.
Tapping into a 75 million and 150 million userbase with no GP cannibalism shouldn’t end badly. That’s an assumption for sure but a fairly safe one I think.