If you hate racists I'm not sure why you're so hell bent on using a word that was propagated by them. Are you completely at a loss at how to greet your friends otherwise?
Ding ding ding. Maybe to other people "waddup racists" is just a greeting.
Azealia Banks weighs in on the Nig***/Nigga debate
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If you don't see difference in context then what the fuck.
How the hell do you have day to day conversation if you don't understand what context is?
There just isn't no magic word that doesn't follow the rules of conversation. Stop trying to make the word magical.
The old man thing, I just don't get it.
What business do I have speaking to an old man?
I dont use "dude" or "man" or "nigga" with people I dont know, those are friendly terms.
There's a reason people say "that's my nigga" it's a way of being happy with someone
Its not the word that made me feel that, its fucking sentences like yours!
Have you listened to popular music or watched a movie recently? I find it hard to believe that in a time when "nigga" is tossed around and is used in as many ways as "dude" that a white kid saying it to his friends is what's promoting racism.
You can't just inundate people with something in popular culture and, get all bent out of shape when they copy it, and act like they are the problem.
Not what he said. Read what you quoted again.
He is saying that the more people say nigga, the more people will hear it and learn to say it. There is nothing here about it causing racism.
I understand what context is genius. You really are dense aren't you? But by all means continue to be a little pissant and ignore what actual black people are saying about your usage of a racial slur.
Also, don't tell how nigga is used. Unlike yourself, I'm black and I know how and when it is used, so you can fuck right off with that bullshit.
It's almost like the word has a power to cause a reaction in people that transcends the immediate context and use.
You should also note I haven't called you anything, my sentence is really a suggestion to perhaps practice some empathy with regards to people on the receiving end of words.
I dont "like" using the word because I dont "like" using any words!
I have no sentimental value to any word because they mean nothing until you put them together.
Subject and predicate yo.
I'm sorry but I'm not gonna de-condition my vocabulary because people are stubbornly attributing false meanings to my words.
I have no sentimental value to any word because they mean nothing until you put them together.
Subject and predicate yo.
I'm sorry but I'm not gonna de-condition my vocabulary because people are stubbornly attributing false meanings to my words.
Well, there it is!
I don't want to say you're an idiot for feeling this say because I can tell you intend on people living in a language utopia where single words don't have a painful history, but whenever you do public speaking or lower your frequency of saying "nigga" when an authority figure walks past, like say, if you ever are in earshot of President Obama, then notice that you are then irrational.
And if you don't and have your progressive view of thinking words shouldn't have terrible meanings, then I hope you don't find yourself in too much trouble.
And in those times it was used in a negative way, that is horrible and those people are assholes.
Me, being who knows how many miles away from you and that specific situation, I had nothing to do with that. When I said hi to my friend today, I had nothing to do with that.
When I hit the ball into the corner pocket and my friend said "damn nigga" that had nothing to do with any sort of offensive idea.
And if you had been in the bar and overheard us and got offended, you would be in the wrong.
You say the word is hurtful to you, but is that a permanent thing? You will not budge on that issue? That seems denser to me than my situation.
Maybe its because I live in a very mixed area, but I've been saying "nigga" around black people my entire life and no one has ever been offended.
This shit about censoring a word is just wrong.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7dQh8u4Hc
Watch this as it tries to be an objective view on why slurs are slurs.
But just because your black friends didn't get offended, doesn't mean all of them are find with it. That doesn't make your friends smarter. Just a different opinion I guess?
I personally don't see why you wouldn't change your vocabulary since it is obvious you are saying bad words just because you think they shouldn't be. But well, your life.
Where is this magical power coming from?
Why should the meaning of my friendly greeting "transcend" into being offensive?
It kinda seems like this being offended thing is optional, especially since so many people are ok with the non-racial use of the word.
Stop trying to make non -racial.things into racial.
I try to empathize, but I would understand if someone is being racist to me or not.
I feel like this doesn't have to be an issue anymore.
Edit: Buenas noches I'm sleepy as fuck.
If I don't reply its not cause I'm dodging, hope this is still open in the morning.
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I'm white I've never censored myself from saying nigga when I'm rapping along in my car. That's ok isn't it?
Heavy's Sandvich
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You're already a racist 
where is the neogaf gif?
uh, me? do you even hang around black people? sure, some older black people and certain types of younger ones seem them as the same, but the majority don't and it's weird I have to explain this.
I want him to name some rap songs that actually say nigger, though. I've learned to ignore him, though. He seems truly oblivious when it comes to race stuff.
just because people who know you are comfortable with you saying it doesn't mean all black people are or should be. you shouldn't be determined to say the word if others are offended either.
idk if you think you're being progressive or something, but they're two different words for the majority of black people. Some think of them as one in the same, but I'll venture out and say it's not most black people. Also there's a noticeable difference between nigga and nigger. link things that get them confused or mix them up. I say nigga all the time and I still get annoyed hearing white people say it, the few times I do actually hear them. For some friends, I don't mind, whatever, but I would absolutely get offended if they slipped up and said nigger instead.
We can have a discussion on this issue separate from the other thread, because according to you and I they these are very different words with different social and actual meanings.
Anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QcxWPB59o from about 2:30 -- you can hear "both" I guess? (-er becomes -a is you listen really closely)
This is happening because he is using the word at the end of a line to rhyme with another, which is like lawyer and then a false pronunciation of "you" as "yer".
Kanye always uses to the word to literally mean (black man) or like (mate), and it comes it differently between tracks.
I also notice this on Vines as well.
Using phonetic notation you can separate how nigga and nigger should sound, but actually you will find that the former is explicitly audible when the person speaking has an accent where -er pretty much is always said as -a...
I believe Undercover Brotha had a subtle joke on this actually.
Growing up with Sister Sister being on TV, I noticed even as a child that this wasn't something you could audibly separate. So in order for nigga and nigger to be understood as different words, you would have to already know there is a difference in spelling. You couldn't possibly hear it first try and notice a difference.
Bringing me back to the point that the people who are offended by this word regardless of how it is sounded, will not hear the -a and -er difference and just find the word hurtful. They don't need educating on how young people have transformed the word and their views are no longer valid because of hip hop culture and so on, they don't want to hear it and it's shameful.
Just don't be surprised if whomever saying nigga loses peoples respect. That doesn't make them dense for not hearing a small accented difference.
Finally, with the London youth accent being what it is, an explicit -er ending never happens. Whether said with racist intent or otherwise, it never happens. The way some artists say it sounds more explicitly -er to my ears anyway.
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I highly doubt most black people find nigga okay and nigger not okay. Being that outside of black communities in the US, this argument seems to be hardly made. Blacks from the rest of the world are not aware of a slightly different spelling having a different meaning, I think.
But I am on the side of it being racist even coming from a black person's mouth. I was brought up being told that if a black person, knowing its history says it casually, they are a moron. I don't have that opinion anymore since it was second-hand anyway, but there are people who feel that way including my own mother.
Edit: fixed my link lmao
I'm not watching that video. Link to a song or video from a black musician where they say nigga but it sounds like nigger or tell me what Kanye song it is and I'll look since I have his CDs. lmao, are you really comparing sister sister to my real life experiences of being black and growing up around black people? Please step outside of your bubble and interact with other races. This is the second time we've had a conversation where you've made me think that you don't socially interact with other people out of your races or you're just dense when it comes to these types of things. You absolutely can hear it. Whenever I'm called a nigger, I don't mishear and think I'm hearing nigga and vice versa. If so, that person is usually doing so on purpose because there's a hard r attached to one that's not on the other. You even notice it when you say it aloud. Maybe it's your accent or the accents you hear that make the audible difference not noticeable, but I know I hear the difference and I'm not disagreeing about those that get offended over nigga not caring whether it's nigga or nigger, but those aren't the majority of black people and most of us can notice the difference between the two.
What makes you think most of us don't find either one acceptable, I'm genuinely curious. I'm talking about the US and I'm not arguing places outside of there. I'm assuming your mother isn't black so tbh, I don't give a fuck about her opinion on me saying nigga. I truly don't. I will say nigga all I want knowing the history behind it (which she seemingly doesn't), so fuck her and you.
edit: For clarification, even if she is black, fuck her, too. though less because I can understand the mentality behind it but lol if she's not and really has that serious of an opinion on that word.
Words having meaning isn't magic. It's a whole field of academics in fact.
Being offended when someone uses a negative racial slur is an optional reaction?
Is this the beginnings of a "people who bring up racial issues are the real racists" argument?
Maybe try harder if the furthest you can get is a feeling people should "get over it".
That's nice for you. I'm sure there are some people who disagree of course.
1. I fixed my link to the song, I pasted the wrong one.
2. Where the fuck did I compare Sister Sister to your life experiences? I am talking about how the title of the show was said, and that when referring to the show despite it's spelling we all call it "Sista Sista". Try to take your time reading something so you understand it.
3. You being black doesn't give you different ears to this word. It doesn't matter if you are a black or not the word will sound the same. Even if the majority of black people in American think so, that doesn't make it the majority of English-speaking black people in the world. Either way, none of us can check to see if it is a majority or not, and it doesn't even matter if it is.
4. Oh, you're not talking about outside of US? Okay then.
EDIT: Ignoring your uh inability to have a rational conversation without retorting to insults, yes she is black. She is from the generation before popular hip-hop made it an okay thing to say. As are a lot of people.
Still waiting for your phonetic notations on the differences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QcxWPB59o <-- correct link to make it easier. 2:30 hear the bars from lawyer. This is a common transition.
My further point about Sister Sister was to show that if you actually said "nigga", explicitly in a song, almost every -er turns into -a. It's an accent.
Damnit. I was really looking forward to adding "wizard" to my resume.
1. I absolutely hear nigga. Are you sure this isn't confirmation bias on your part? possibly mine, but from release until now, I've never thought he was saying nigger.
2. Should have clarified more. How exactly is that comparable to nigga/nigger, though? Just because some people pronounce it differently doesn't mean they couldn't say sister if they wanted to or wouldn't know the difference in sound between the two. Just like people with axe/ask; if people can pick up sonical differences that miniscule, then people can hear the differences between nigga/nigger.
3. No, it doesn't. It obviously doesn't. I don't see why you keep doubling down on that. You seriously couldn't hear Kanye saying nigga on blood on the leaves and you're telling me that sounds the same as this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=knAqM2Gsfi4#t=35)
Wasn't an insult, just saying fuck her because that opinion is wrong to me and offensive depending on her race. How far back are you talking? Nigga isn't a 2000 invention. Not even a 90s one.'
and I rap. You want me to link you to a song of mine where I say nigga and you can compare it to me saying nigger? I can also record myself saying both if you want. what do you even mean by all -ers turn into -a? do you believe they meant to say nigger but it came out wrong?
I wonder how comedians like George Carlin, Louis CK and Chris Rock feels about actual human being using their bits of fucking comedy as a literally reference for them to excuse their garbage? Every once in a while there someone that proudly posts a youtube video like its a approval of their idiotic actions.
Except it doesn't sound the same. Kanye is clearly saying "nigga" not "nigger" and it's so obvious that it's hard to think your argument is sincere.
Either way, I'm not a fan of people using the term, but I'm not going to try and shame some white kid who uses it when that's the culture he grew up in. When I was a kid, and most of my friends were black we used this term all the time. The only reason why I probably still don't to this day is because my sister's husband, a black man, sat me down and told me how ignorant it was and that even though my (black) friends were cool with it that they were being ignorant as well. This video pretty much sums up what he explained to me and is how I felt about the word since then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-UpHlB9no
My nephew still uses the term all the time, and it drives his father crazy, but it's so en grained into culture at this point he's not going to stop until black people as a whole agree that it's not cool to use, and that's not going to happen any time soon because, like I said before, it's basically the same as the word "dude" at this point.
Damnit I had so much typed but I lost it all.
1. What I don't hear is him pronouncing it the same all the way. But you bring up a good point about confirmation bias. I feel as if those who are offended will not hear the difference, that if a trained here could separate them it is something that would have to mentioned.
2. What I meant is that from the opening song, they clearly say "Sista" when the show is written as "Sister". When someone speaks with a swagger (pronounced swagga) pretty much all -ers turn into -as. In rap specifically pronunciations of words are twisted because they are hardly ever exact rhymes, especially with "nigga". I also think this is pretty much why the popular way to say it is in fact -a because that's what the accent did to many words.
3. This is not really worth anything but I don't think he deliberately pronounced the word like that to be a difference. That's his accent. From that time also I think was way before this sort of debate was being mentioned. But then I wouldn't know, perhaps he is smart to purposefully pronounce it so strongly that way.
4. I'd prefer a conversation away from insults so we can both hope either of us learns something, I'm not here to argue so I think this part should be dropped.
5. I'm not arguing without checking up on what I'm suggesting. I have probably watched a dozen of videos of people making the two sound different as it is. But tbh I think I was showed a video of, I may be very wrong here, Tu Pac saying that there was a difference when I was younger.
This is what I'm really talking about. Your Nephew wants everyone else to make the effort and make it a bad thing to say and then he will stop using it? As you said, it drives his father crazy and mostly likely many others from his father's generation.
I think people will stubbornly use it regardless. As it has been mentioned many times it is empowering or a way of "taking back the word" and giving it new meaning. It actually has a positive social meaning behind its casual use which is commonly understood, whereas dude became an uncool thing to say because it was never more than just slang.
My position, which I haven't touched on I guess, is that I'd rather it not be used in public or ever on television given the many that are offended by it. -a or -er otherwise, it's not simply empowering when it hurts those along the way. Majority or not.
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If I remember correctly, Mr.Swag lives in Miami, Florida. That area is notorious for having everyone and their mother say the word nigga/nigger. Folks on the beach say it. A DJ at the club will say it. A fucking group of police officers will be tossing it around like it's a hot potatoe, as I'm staring at them in disgust..they just laugh it off.
It's the one thing that had me throwing blows as a youngin growing up there. Family that would visit from up north would call people from Miami "my nigger dawgs" because of his much they'd hear it in just the first hour..it annoys the shit out of me.
When they start that shit around me, I shut it down quick. I don't give a fuck. I'll save y'all the trouble..
It's the one thing that had me throwing blows as a youngin growing up there. Family that would visit from up north would call people from Miami "my nigger dawgs" because of his much they'd hear it in just the first hour..it annoys the shit out of me.
When they start that shit around me, I shut it down quick. I don't give a fuck. I'll save y'all the trouble..
1. And you're telling me that what he said in that song sounds the same as QT saying nigger in pulp fiction, really?
2. I get that, but those people hear sister and notice the difference between pronunciation, even though they're the same word. Saying sista doesn't mean you can't say sister or hear the difference between the two. Like I said below, I'm positive Kanye or any other rapper could say nigger in a song if they wanted to, but saying nigger and nigga isn't the same for a lot of people, black or white.
3. what? lmao. I'm positive Kanye and QT could say nigga/nigger and notice the difference between the two, in terms of audible difference and meaning.
4. okay.
5. if you've watched videos with people saying it differently, why are you in here arguing they're pronounced the same or that the people saying nigga meant nigger?
I don't think he cares one way or the other if people make an effort to stop saying it. I was simply saying that he only says it because it's socially acceptable and if it weren't he'd probably use a different term. Kids pick these terms from friends, music, movies, etc. If it were to suddenly disappear from those places he'd drop it like a bad habit.
1. They aren't the same because they don't have the same accent, is what I am saying, but between lines and bars even when Kanye says it, it will fall between the two pronunciations that isn't explicitly either.
2. Well yeah but the accent where sister sounds like sista, is the same that sounds brotha, anotha, motha etc. So when this accent is something people are used to hearing, they will hear "nigga" as "nigga" with the same accent. We don't spell words differently just because people's accents are different, but for some reason this word has. I know that when it is said from a black actor in a movie, it is almost never heard as -er no matter how racist the line should be. I don't think I have ever heard anyone with such an accent ever use it outside of this when talking about this topic.
3. Yes they can but I don't think in this scene that's what QT was doing specifically. I feel like looking for another rap song example because it is something I stop and double take on.
5. Audibly it doesn't affect those being offended. So it makes no difference to them. That was my (now failing I suppose) argument.
I don't know the details but I hope out of respect he doesn't say it around his own father who hates to hear it. His father is from a time before pop culture made it socially aight to use. If I am allowed, I am pretty certain he says it with a -a according to you, but his father still hates it right?
Nah, he knows better. He basically does the same thing I used to when it came to cursing around my parents, he checks his language. And, yes, even though his father knows that the two words are used in totally different ways he still hates either being used.
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My fellow whites really need to record themselves saying nigga and play it back to themselves to hear just how stupid it sounds coming out of their mouths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WrIs-N6ws
Okay I hear this in vines. Honestly I don't ever hear this word being used irl in London so I actually cannot tell if this is -a or -er. I guess I really don't have the ear for it.
Okay I hear this in vines. Honestly I don't ever hear this word being used irl in London so I actually cannot tell if this is -a or -er. I guess I really don't have the ear for it.
1. regardless, it doesn't sound like nigger at all.
2. they're two different words. I've been called a nigger to my face and never thought they meant nigga, but just thought they mispronounced it.
3. I'm almost certain it was on purpose, though for emphasis because that would have sounded the way it did even if he said nigga, but I'm sure he knows the difference between the two.
lol, they're not saying nigger.
Well then, I suppose I cannot tell. It sounds very -er to me. Or at least, very not -a.
maybe it's your accent or something; there's a difference between those vines and the pulp fiction clip.
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You must not know many people.
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Nah bruh..... Nah
stuff like that implies black people are a monolithic group that agree on everything. I don't like the word but if somebody else does use it who is black doesn't mean I will start accepting the word being used in my presence.
The closest thing I can think of is the taboo of jewish people against eating pork and shellfish. We all know some secular Jewish people eat pork or shell fish, do you all of a sudden assume all Jewish people are ok with eating pork and shellfish? No. is the case for all Jewish people to be ok with eating pork or shellfish stronger because some celebrities who are Jewish eat pork or shell fish? No.
Its an accepted taboo, nobody questions that and says well those Jewish people are wrong to feel eating pork and shellfish is wrong. Now does it stop anyone else from eating those things No...... but everyone and anyone with sense would understand if a person of the Jewish faith got pissed if somebody sneaked pork or shellfish into the food they were eating.
Chris hates that joke and has never done it again because people useit for dumbshit
damn good analogy
I honestly don't care who uses the word nigga these days. The word has no power over me and I refuse to let it. It's become a term of endearment almost. I actually usually hear white kids use it to refer to other white kids, and I'm okay with that.
Nobody really says nigger on accident though. From experience, there tends to be some race-specific malice behind it, in which case I'm probably not even remotely getting along with the person that uses it to begin with.
Nobody really says nigger on accident though. From experience, there tends to be some race-specific malice behind it, in which case I'm probably not even remotely getting along with the person that uses it to begin with.
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i wanna hear what it sounds like for someone pale as fuck to say "shit nigga, what are you doing," and "this nigga."
theignoramus
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I figure if you're white and saying "nigga" around your friends , whatever, but dont act perplexed or outraged if somebody takes issue with it and gives you shit. You know full well what the deal is and the baggage around white people using the word.
Zeus Molecules
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Yes. even if somebody has a personal rapport with somebody who is cool with its use, don't go into public and assume that is ok. Nobody can stop anyone from saying it in private but its at the very least rude in public (like other curse words because at its core its still a curse word) and could be interpreted as racist regardless of intent.
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