People can listen to whatever they want. But If you listen to music which promotes negative imagery of a minority group, while using racist terms, don't be surprised if some folks find you bigoted.
Azealia Banks weighs in on the Nig***/Nigga debate
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People can listen to whatever they want. But If you listen to music which promotes negative imagery of a minority group, while using racist terms, don't be surprised if some folks find you bigoted.
rap has almost nothing to do with brown people, what?
Because every song that uses the word automatically 'promotes negative imagery of a minority group'. Gotcha.
I wouldn't say you're racist Mesousa, necessarily, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
You should probably actually listen to hip hop before you start talking about it like this, you're coming off as a racist at worst and an idiot at best.
Sure, but this is 2015. Rap music that reinforces old stereotypes of Black people isn't the most popular type of hip hop anymore.
Exactly.
Anybody putting music out there with damning negative effects are promoting a poor image of a group worldwide. This shit is worldwide.
You Are Viewtiful
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I'm reading a book about Nazi Germany where all forms of art that didn't comply with Nazism were banned. Basically every medium of art went down in production: film, drama, radio, paintings, books etc. with the -exception- of music. The production of that remained the same. Turns out music is one of the lowest forms of political expression. They're rarely if ever political, even most rap just talks about booty and bitches, or whatever Iggy also happens to rap about. Poor Banks just doesn't get it.
never stepped inside BCT?
touché
Uh, no. Huge amounts of music was banned or suppressed. The banning of jazz was a huge point of contention among German youth, and the appreciation of swing became symbolic of passive resistance to the Nazi regime.
Moreover, almost all modern classical music was banned. Jewish composers like Schoenberg (creator of 12-tone music) and Kurt Weill (composer of the Threepenny Opera) were banned. This effectively halted any progress in German music during the Nazi regime, as nearly all new ideas were considered degenerate.
You are making alot of wrong assumptions here so Im gonna have to stop you right here. Please stop posting since you are no better than the people you think are wrong to use the word.
You are generalizing and thinking everyone using the word is deep down racist person. Dude stop posting, seriously.
FYI a racist person has no reason to say "Nigga". They will use Nigger. If a person who isnt black comes in and says "Sup my niggas" or such it must mean he knows them or they dont mind him/her using the term. If a racist person comes into a room of black people, he will not have a problem using the other word. He wont be saying "Niggas".. like will that have a softer meaning and wont hurt their feelings as much?
Again stop generalizing. There is a clear difference between the 2. People understand that maybe its not right to use Nigga around their black or whoever friends as it may offend someone but that doesnt mean they are saying "Nigger" or cant differentiate the two. Please dont do these mental gymnastics because they hurt my head.
Racist against what exactly? A genre of music has no race.
You Are Viewtiful
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What I'm saying is music continued to be produced in large amounts, whike the other mediums practically ceased to exist. Thanks for the extra reading though ^^
German classical music being banned is news to me though. From what I read, that's practically all that Germans listened to. That and the Opera. I'm aware that Jewish and Socialist/Communist composers and producers were banned just for their affiliation, but I'm sure (from what I've read at least) German classical music continued to be produced in large numbers.
Gordon Shumway
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LOL..go to Goulds Park and sing the praises of "saying nigga ain't shit" tho..go to MLK station..just start a conversation and throw nigga out. Post your results, sir. In fact, record it in portrait mode for the full effect..
Misterinenja
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Glad she finally decided to settle this.
CountAntonius
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You can say the word without being a racist because it's sadly become another hurtful word with a lot of baggage the youth have adopted as commonplace.
I don't say it but I have friends who do. Growing up I used a lot of hurtful words as well as cursed every other word in general. As I grew I realized I can just not say it at all and avoid the risk of offending anyone. No word is that important to me.
I don't say it but I have friends who do. Growing up I used a lot of hurtful words as well as cursed every other word in general. As I grew I realized I can just not say it at all and avoid the risk of offending anyone. No word is that important to me.
I'm black so i'm 99.9% sure i'd be fine. Even if were white i'd give myself at least 90%.
Maybe 10 years ago you could guarantee a white dude would catch a beat down for using it, but if some white or asian guy said it to a complete stranger while asking for directions I wouldn't expect much more than some disconcertion.
Why does everyone keep bringing up the "go tell it to a stranger" thing?
Its a friendly word in the way I've used it my whole life, and if I'm in goulds park ill use whatever fucking word I use if I'm talking with someone.
I dont need to behave differently in front of any race.
I live by Goulds too anyways.
I think classism is a bigger issue than race, and I think all persons of low/low middle class should unite and fight the real fight.
No, not the white man, but the rich white man, the rich black man, the rich Asian man.
We are having this fight, but we aren't fighting the real issue, the real issue being poverty.
Black people are poor, white people are poor, and Hispanics are poor.
I've grown up around all those people, I never went to private school, I went to the same public school others did and that's where I picked up on using nigga. With people im my same living condition.
Just cause we don't share color doesn't mean were not the same.
Mercury Fred
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Oh good, another inane, offensive statement from Banks.
I honestly think she just tweeted this because she backed herself into a corner with her "so what if I'm homophobic, I make more money than you, I have an extra hole and I own everything" tweet and people have not been taking that one well.
Pls pls pls Iggy win the grammy tomorrow. pls
I honestly think she just tweeted this because she backed herself into a corner with her "so what if I'm homophobic, I make more money than you, I have an extra hole and I own everything" tweet and people have not been taking that one well.
Pls pls pls Iggy win the grammy tomorrow. pls
Now I think you're just being contrary.
I have to ask you where you're from. Because I'm born and raised in Los Angeles, and currently living in Philadelphia. And in neither region is the attitudes toward the word "nigga" so casual that non-black people can casually say it to black people they don't know without there being issues.
I mean, videos of people getting knocked-the-fuck-out for even casually saying nigga around a group of black strangers is still a regular occurrence on Worldstar. Hell, even as a black person, if I said that word around a few of the elders in my family I'd get popped in the mouth before I finished the last syllable. And I come from a family where everyone in my generation uses the word pretty regularly. So I just don't buy this fantasy world you live in where everyone is that cool with saying nigga.
A poor white person is still valued more than a poor black person by society
Hell White people with a felonies have better chances of getting employment than a black man with no jail record AND a college degree.
There is NO way EVER that word is not offensive. It is just commonly accepted if the other person is at a point where you perceive them as being on the same level.
If I walk up to somebody and call them fat, they can take offense, but if another fat person does it the offense is still there. The person just might not be as motivated to move because they think the other person is in the same position. The negative connotation is still with the word though. Even in High School when a kid would be wearing something unfashionable, or do something unconventional folks would say: "Ha, look at that nigga right there". It can mean dude, but the meaning is still there. Just looking at the use. The only really, common, positive used with it is when somebody says something to the effective of "[thats] my nigga". It harkens back to ownership really if you think about it. Like, a negro is only good if they are "Mine", as in my property. Sure, normal folks won't view it like that, but that is where it comes from.
If I walk up to somebody and call them fat, they can take offense, but if another fat person does it the offense is still there. The person just might not be as motivated to move because they think the other person is in the same position. The negative connotation is still with the word though. Even in High School when a kid would be wearing something unfashionable, or do something unconventional folks would say: "Ha, look at that nigga right there". It can mean dude, but the meaning is still there. Just looking at the use. The only really, common, positive used with it is when somebody says something to the effective of "[thats] my nigga". It harkens back to ownership really if you think about it. Like, a negro is only good if they are "Mine", as in my property. Sure, normal folks won't view it like that, but that is where it comes from.
Sure, but this ignores the reality that Black people are poorer than Hispanic people are poorer than white people.
And I'm 100% sure that you know the Hispanic identity isn't exclusive to the white, brown, black, or mixed identity, especially in Miami.
Angelus Errare
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Have we got to the "rap music is the reason why blacks are so looked down upon" part of the thread yet? That's always my favorite right behind "MLK wouldn't want this".
This reads like something a 14 year old would type after reading about a Marx book on sparksnotes.
I mean fuck.
Prototype Viktor
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Yes I know that, they form their own cliques.
Funnily all my friends are either Cuban, Nicaraguan,or Mexican but I think that's a neighborhood thing (I live in homestead).
Poor is still poor.
Just cause one black family makes $25k yearly household, and a white family makes $29k yearly household doesn't mean that they are not in similar conditions.
Those family's are both under the poverty line.
We should stop fragmentizing this low income group of persons and get onto the same political boat.
Obviously, this is more an issue with poor white Republicans who vote against their personal interests.
spindashing
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I think you are being too easy on racists. There's no rulebook saying that they won't use nigga as opposed to nigger. Whatever the case may be, the situation is still the same.
The weight of the word forbids it to be in the same league as "bro"/"dude"/"man."
You mean fuck what?
What are you saying, that I'm wrong?
Angelus Errare
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Nope.
Go back a page.
On various levels, yeah. Amazingly so.
We are currently in Stage 6: Bring up issues that are "bigger" than racism to chance the subject of me being a racist.
A big difference in your example is the poor white man does not fear for his life every time he leaves the house due to a militarized police forced trained, from day one, to profile and treat people who look like him as enemies.
You'd be surprised how different life is without this rope around your neck.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb11-157.html#tablea
Look at Table B. The black and Hispanic poverty rate is almost the same. 25% to 29%.
Look at Table B. The black and Hispanic poverty rate is almost the same. 25% to 29%.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I don't have a problem if ANYONE says "nigga" as long as it isn't to be a racist asshole, and it should be pretty obvious what that person would be like.
"Nigger" should only be used in terms of academia discussion (such as etymological history) or in very specific time-period artistic works where it was a commonly used word in that time (basically, any 1800s-based slavery movie....which I don't tend to watch anyway.)
"Nigger" should only be used in terms of academia discussion (such as etymological history) or in very specific time-period artistic works where it was a commonly used word in that time (basically, any 1800s-based slavery movie....which I don't tend to watch anyway.)
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just don't fucking use the word, fellow whites
it's not going to kill you
it's not going to kill you
Maybe you should start to watch them.
Same income bracket, same life experience. Because that's how that works.
You're are regular Stephen Colbert over here.
kitchenmotors
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Strength in numbers man. If you split impoverished people into three groups by race, then they have a lot less power than if they all unite.
Yes I understand that black persons have it tougher because of the specific pigmentation of their skin and the prejudice of those in power, but can we accept the fact that it doesn't have to be like that forever?
I've tried to cut out use of the word entirely, but I'll admit that as a white dude growing up in a predominantly black part of South Florida I never met anyone in my age group that wasn't cool with a white/Hispanic/Asian/whatever using the word.
In fact in my youth I was even encouraged to use it, don't ask me why, and that kind of led to me using it far more than I ever should of as a teenager.
In fact in my youth I was even encouraged to use it, don't ask me why, and that kind of led to me using it far more than I ever should of as a teenager.
Gordon Shumway
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I know you live by Goulds..why else would I mention it. You saying you're gonna walk out of there? No issues? You know better. I used to use the word "faggot" and "fag" like it was a non issue when I was a git..then I grew the fuck up..get it?
Again, not surprising. South Florida has that problem in some pockets. But to say it's a non issue (not saying YOU did) is absurd beyond belief..
Can someone make "link to your hometowns Wikipedia page" thread?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leisure_City,_Florida
Curious to see how yall living. Dont want to derail this thread too much.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leisure_City,_Florida
Curious to see how yall living. Dont want to derail this thread too much.
are you sure you wanna go down this road and not just stick to the nigga convo? you're incredibly wrong on this and I'm sure you've seen enough topics around here to know why.
You're not helping by furthering the misconception that even poor whites/blacks are treated the same by society.
Gordon Shumway
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Every time I hit Miami, I deal with that shit..then I grill the fucks..then they stop or walk away. I don't care if you was taught wrong. Right that shit..Mr. Swag,
Maybe its because I dont know any racist but you may be right. And I did post that it may not be appropriate to use the term Nigga either because some may find it offensive but it depends on the context and the group of people. As you know from this thread, there are people who find it "acceptable" in their social groups.
My point is, not everyone who says it, is a casual/deep down racist. I know friends who use it say after seeing a funny video such as the "Bootleg fireworks" video or repeating some phase from a Movie or song. (Denzel's "My Nigga") They all find it funny but they dont mean to be saying it in bad taste. Outside of these things, its not in their vocabulary. But again Im talking about me and my friends. If you have shitty friends well then yea they most likely are racists as well.
Damerman
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As a black person from a third world country where this actually happens, i agree with her. In haiti, whether you are black, mulatto or white, they all say "neg" Colloquially. There has never been an issuie with it since we all use it to just describe a man with no implications being made on race.
I agree with her.
I agree with her.
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