Backwards compatibility is garbage

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Dizzan

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Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
 
We like to know that we can play the games we own for longer than the current generation (consoles break). Especially if there's the possibility of enhancements. Plus, it's a good selling point initially as new consoles have smaller libraries.

Also, saying that people want BC to play Fifa and Pong is pretty silly. You know that's not the case. At all.
 
Sure, if you're 16 and have only ever owned one console in your life and are unable to see yourself playing games in 10, 20, 30 years time.
 
Dizzan said:
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
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FIFA 95 is not the vintage game people are returning to play
 
So I can plug in one console to play a vast library of games on, instead of having 20 plugged in, or having to dig them out and plug them in as I go.
 
Dizzan said:
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
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I have a PS2/PS3/360/WiiU/PC hooked up. I'm out of plugs, space and power. I to this day, occasionally go back to a ps1 or ps2 game, maybe Ninja Gaiden Black. I'm going to get Durango and Orbis. It'd be nice if doing so didn't cripple my abilities to go back to old favourites if I wanted.

And that's not even counting fighting games that never got re-released on other systems.
 
Because wives don't like 13 consoles in living room.
 
I agree in general... but when stated as a thread that says no one should care and it's "garbage"?

Meh. It would be fucking nice if BC was there on all consoles. I'm cool to deal with it if it's not... but it's not "garbage".

Roboleon said:
Because wifes don't like 13 consoles in living room.
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Strengthen the pimp hand.
 
So you've played everything you wanted to this gen then? You have lots of time.
I would like to play whatever game I feel like and save the space under my TV at the same time, if possible
 
Yeah, it's not a big deal to me. Dunno why you're getting so worked up about it, though, OP.

Edit : Although, I gotta say, being able to play Gamecube games was a huge incentive when I recently decided to buy a Wii. I went out of my way to find a used, backwards compatible one.
 
I'm not "done" with a game, I don't just go trough them once and then forget about them. I want to have the oppurtunity to play all my games as easily as possible and I can't have my ps3 take up the few ports I have on my tv. Especially as new consoles are coming. I guess people have a different view on gaming.
I play as many old games as I do new ones.
 
Because I don't like to make up excuses as to why i'm not getting it in some of the new consoles when their competitor offers it.
 
It's a good feature, but it's something I've never used. I think I only played a few PS2 games in the first couple of years of the PS3 on my PS2, then haven't played no last gen games since. It's not really anything I care about as I most likely be only be playing a few games on my PS3 in the first year or so before moving completely over.

However, for someone who hasn't owned a PS3 it would be a big deal as they don't have to buy the system to play games they missed out on.
 
You know it's funny - I never noticed until a few weeks ago when I picked up an original PS1 at a pawn shop, hooked it up, and started playing it, how much better the games look on that original hardware than through a PS3 or even a PS2. When playing Wipeout on my PS3, for instance, I used to notice these lines in the background. Just random lines in the sky. I never paid it too much notice, but voila! - playing on my new (old) PS1 all those scan lines were gone and everything looked cleaner somehow.

So I'm kind of on board with you, OP. Backwards compatibility can be cool, definitely more convenient than having several old consoles hooked up to your TV, but the overall quality does takes a hit.
 
Doesnt bother me. However I do want my entire Dreamcast library to be digital at some point. Dreamcasts will be rare in 2020 when I still want to play JJBA or something.
 
Alright, let me get my Gamecube, Wii, PS1, PS2, Xbox, NES, SNES, Genesis, and N64 out, and have them in my living room.

Oh, but what about handhelds? So, I'll go get my GBC, GBA, DS, and PSP to play the games that came out on those consoles because backwards compatibility is unimportant.

Yep, no need to have a PS3 to play PS2 games.
And a Wii that plays NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, and Gamecube games.
And a Xbox 360 that plays my old Xbox games.
And a 3DS that plays DS, GB and GBA games.
And a PSVita that plays PSP and PS1 games.

HOWABOUTHAT.
 
space isn't infinite and consoles aren't immortal, especially the latest ones which break faster than old consoles.

if it wasn't for BC, i would have lost the ability to play GC games a while ago.
 
I keep all of my old systems, and actually always leave them plugged in. I got 17 hooked up right now...if you want to count the Sega CD and 32X as consoles, anyway.

I don't really use backwards compatibility myself, but I do think it's a great feature to have. Not everyone is crazy like me and wants to keep that much stuff around all of the time, so it's a really convenient and nice way to go back. In some cases, it might even help with compatibility on modern TVs, or at least make them look better on them.

And as was mentioned before, it's great for new consoles with small libraries, especially if you're a new adopter who never owned the previous console, and want to enjoy stuff you missed out on before.
 
Dizzan said:
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?
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I've never sold a console, but 1) things break and 2) there is only space for one of possibly two consoles in my living room. Backwards compatibility is a nice way for me to continue to play my old games without having to have a dozen systems hooked up at once.
 
MS, Sony, and Nintendo are not only selling a console to us, they are trying to get us on their service. If they want to instill faith in their customers, they will show support for our purchases from the previous generation and the same moving forward.
 
Terrible example of games that people would want to go back to. No one cares about 10 year old Fifa!?!? You don't say...

Less clutter and more safety are provided by BC.
 
Friedreich said:
MS, Sony, and Nintendo are not only selling a console to us, they are trying to get us on their service. If they want to instill faith in their customers, they will show support for our purchases from the previous generation and the same moving forward.
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Yep. It's a bit of a silly comparison but think about iPads or iPhones. Can you imagine if you bought the latest version only to find out your old apps don't work? That would suck.
 
It's not essential but I would prefer it. Would save some room and be less of a hassle if I wanted to play an older game.
 
Dizzan said:
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
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- Things break.

- Could you have picked a worse example than Fifa 95? It's like saying there doesn't need to be support for older programs because who uses Office XP anymore, even though that's an older version of a line of iterative products that typically have no value in revisiting, just like those sports games usually are. Though even then EA put together a licensed stripped(?) rerelease of sports games from 94 like that and Madden that you plugged into your TV to play.

- Games change, for better or worse. And sometimes new games simply don't do what old games did as contrasting Doom or Quake with most modern shooters shows, and sometimes genres outright vanish or diminish as Graphic Adventures and JRPGs (on consoles) have.

- In addition to things breaking, things aren't manufactured for forever. If I could somehow reliably ALWAYS get a new replacement system of whatever vintage that'd be great, I actually wouldn't be surprised if we reach the point where such can be produced on demand, but for now BC's the best alternative. And it doesn't hurt if it's easy, which I suspect it will be for PS5 with PS4.

- People would be playing Pong on their phones rather than rushing home for it.
 
Dizzan said:
Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
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Why don't we just break this down piece by piece. What if you don't own uncharted?
 
Also because 7 handhelds don't fit in my pockets
 
I never use my PS3 to play old games.. I even bought a good old fat 60Gb Euro PS2 BC Playstation 3.. played like two minutes of Shadow of the colossus.. that´s about it..
My Vita.. lol.. when PS1 BC was launched I copied like 10-15 PS1 games to my Vita.. never played one of them.. just deleted them.
 
Dizzan said:
Why don't you just keep the system you own the game on?

I hear people crying again that the next gen systems better be backwards compatible but apart from a few hardcore gamers, I don't know of many people who are still playing fifa 95 or rushing to get he from work to play pong.

Games evolve and so do gamers. Once I have played a game once I'm pretty much done. Show me the next game.

Does anyone seriously consider it an essential feature of their next gen console? Just leave your ps3 plugged in for a little longer. I'm sure by your 40th play through, you will have had your fill of uncharted.
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Yes I consider it important.
Especially if the new consoles are expensive: so I can trade in the old one, keeping intact the chances to play my games.
Especially if we still see new releases for the old console (happens very oftetn)
Especially if it is focused also on peripherals (in order to decrease the costs to set my console for local multiplayer)

BC is an incentive to purchase new console at launch, imho.
 
Backwards compatibility is pretty fucking great during the inevitable post-launch drought. I'm coping with the barren Wii U release schedule by finally getting around to Xenoblade and The Last Story. My launch Wii was slowly dying, but now I don't care because the U fills the void.

Plus PS3s and 360s aren't going to last forever, and I only have so many HDMI ports. Backwards compatibility is huge for a new console because it means I've got a space for the system, and when no games are coming I can do more than let it gather dust or unplug it to make room for a system that actually has games coming out.
 
I never sell my consoles, but the convenience factor is nice.

Also PS3 as an example with PS2 BC:

Upscaled
Multiple memory card emulation
Wireless controller

PS2 BC with PS1:

Texture smoothing
Faster loading

For the companies themselves, it smooths over the generation transition, and makes it more likely you'll keep a gamer from switching to another company: As in if you have to a big library you can't transfer over, you start over from the beginning anyway, everyone is on a level playing field.
 
Vormund said:
I never sell my consoles, but the convenience factor is nice.

Also PS3 as an example with PS2 BC:

Upscaled
Multiple memory card emulation
Wireless controller

PS2 BC with PS1:

Texture smoothing
Faster loading

For the companies themselves, it smooths over the generation transition, and makes it more likely you'll keep a gamer from switching to another company: As in if you have to a big library you can't transfer over, you start over from the beginning anyway, everyone is on a level playing field.
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To add on, Wii allowed GCN games over component, and Xbox 360 upscaled original Xbox games.
 
Hanmik said:
My Vita.. lol.. when PS1 BC was launched I copied like 10-15 PS1 games to my Vita.. never played one of them.. just deleted them.
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See, that makes no sense to me. Vita seems to be the exception to the rule - backwards compatibility on that system make the old games fucking SHINE. Unless, of course you personally just aren't into playing old PS1 games anymore. That of course is a different story.
 
cloudyy said:
Enjoy your digital purchases to not carry over if there's no BC.
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This is the real issue here. I don't want another Xbox 1 issue where they shut the OG servers down and with it goes all the content I purchased. If Sony does this I will literally never purchase digitally again.
 
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