Indeed, the best way to earn six figures in America without a college degree, is to start a skilled trade when you are young and work your way through apprenticeship early.
Of course, and why would they? Most people are aware that getting an education = a better and higher paying job. You suck it up and go through with it.
If colleges are hostile towards women than why are they graduating at a higher rate then men?
Two possibilities, either the reason I mentioned above, or they aren't as hostile as the media makes them out to be. Or it's both.
A lot of those oilfield/rig jobs pay incredibly well. But they're also incredibly taxing on people.Maybe if you are self-employed. My father was a construction worker, I don't remember him driving Porsche.
The piece itself is...interesting. The longer it goes, the more it focuses on marriage, and I'm not sure if that's the focal point I would have chosen. But then, maybe thats a reflection of how, as one of them "middle class millennials" I'm not particularly concerned with marriage and I'm missing how important it is to the lower class experience
You don't think that new tools will mean that a job that used to take eight people will now only take five? And then maybe three?
I don't doubt that cutting back on recess has more to do with budget issues or schools not wanting to be liable for injuries or other mundane concerns such as that rather than some great feminist conspiracy. But the reasons behind the changes are largely irrelevant to the hypothesis. If, in general, boys do benefit from a more active a physical school structure but are not getting it anymore, then cutting back on those things will negatively impact their education, regardless of why those cuts are occurring.Even if this were true, a lot of people who complain about the supposed feminization of education act like it has been done on purpose to disenfranchise males. I don't think the cutting back of recess/PE has anything to do with some nefarious plot by feminists to ruin men.
smh at some people that still can't accept feminism. It's as simple as equality for women.
So either
A) they are a hostile place for men, and men just suck it up
or
B) they are a non-hostile place for women compared to the "media narrative"
You haven't considered
C) Women are beating men in enrollment, and then graduating at the expected rates in spite of any perceived hostility.
In your original post you claimed that men were avoiding uni or "checking out", I still see no data or surveys that support this.
Of course, just not in reference to the skilled trades. It only takes one plumber to wrench a pipe. You can't reduce it any further until we have a.i.
You are referencing manufacturing jobs, again. I'm speaking of skilled trades.
What tools are on the horizon to take a plumber for example out of the job market?
Indeed, the best way to earn six figures in America without a college degree, is to start a skilled trade when you are young and work your way through apprenticeship early.
Master plumbers, mechanics, construction workers, etc. All make upper class incomes. Like you said, they just aren't glamorous so elitists belittle them.
Some of the most well off families I've ever known have skilled tradesmen/women in them.
Uh, same is true for engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. That argument doesn't make sense.
There is a finite number of jobs for everyone.
I would really hope that wasn't what you took away from the article."Women are taking over the world."
Indeed- what of the men who, unfortunately, aren't going to be able to do those skilled jobs either. It's the rising "Zero Marginal Product" floor problem w/ labor, and it's only going to get worse.Many, many people advocate "trades" as a solution to the problem of disappearing jobs. Trades are fine, but they are not going to replace the millions of manufacturing jobs that we have lost.
"Sadly" and "wasted".
Hah. I didn't realize so many people were throwing away their lives in college. Damn, I should have dropped out.
Indeed- what of the men who, unfortunately, aren't going to be able to do those skilled jobs either. It's the rising "Zero Marginal Product" floor problem w/ labor, and it's only going to get worse.
It takes a team of people to do something more complex than fix a single pipe in the basement. Or are we only talking about plumbers and electricians as repair-men?
The education system, especially the universities, are now a hostile place for men. It's been for a while which is why men are avoiding it and checking out. I know I wouldn't go now, though I'd just do everything as possible online.
It's long, but watch & listen to Christina Sommers @ Hillsdale College from a couple days ago.
Victims, Victims Everywhere: Trigger Warnings, Liberty, and the Academy
Credit goes to Tyler Cowen (MarginalRevolution.com) for that one.This is a great way to put it.
"Sadly" and "wasted".
Hah. I didn't realize so many people were throwing away their lives in college. Damn, I should have dropped out.
The education system, especially the universities, are now a hostile place for men. It's been for a while which is why men are avoiding it and checking out. I know I wouldn't go now, though I'd just do everything as possible online.
It's long, but watch & listen to Christina Sommers @ Hillsdale College from a couple days ago.
Victims, Victims Everywhere: Trigger Warnings, Liberty, and the Academy
What post did I say men are "checking out" of university, I can't find it. I said they are sucking it up.
The education system, especially the universities, are now a hostile place for men. It's been for a while which is why men are avoiding it and checking out. I know I wouldn't go now, though I'd just do everything as possible online.
It's long, but watch & listen to Christina Sommers @ Hillsdale College from a couple days ago.
Victims, Victims Everywhere: Trigger Warnings, Liberty, and the Academy
What in the fuck. I'm kind of blown away that someone came up with this perception of college. I don't even know what to say..but how?
This link provides another example: When Google Cars take over, another class of male dominated jobs, Taxi (and Uber!) drivers, will be on the extinction list.Credit goes to Tyler Cowen (MarginalRevolution.com) for that one.
I love the LolChristinaSommers posts already. Meaning none of you bothered to even take the time to watch the video that was posted.
Your immediate reaction is to immediately devalue and defraud what she is saying without even hearing what she has to say.
That's incredibly academic and educated of you.
What in the fuck. I'm kind of blown away that someone came up with this perception of college. I don't even know what to say..but how?
Sexism and MRA leanings.
Also men being giant whiny babbys pretending to be victims of nothing
Also men being giant whiny babbys pretending to be victims of nothing
no one is more easily offended than the cishet white male. it's super hilarious.
I'm just saying, placing the blame for the gender education disparity on feminist hostility at the university level is an unfounded hypothesis with a lot of holes, the biggest one being that women are outperforming men on the regular before they even step through the door at undergrad.
The parental-leave policy works well for professional women, many of whom work for the government, which is happy to accommodate their long absences (65% of managers in the public sector are female). But it has been a mixed blessing for blue-collar women in the private sector. Employers know that young female job applicants are likely to take a lot of time off. None would admit to discriminating, of course, but it is striking that 25% of blue-collar women are on temporary contracts and 50% work part-time—of whom nearly half say they would like to work full-time but cannot find an opening.
Jobs that reward muscle alone are not coming back, so men will need to pump up their brains instead.
I love the LolChristinaSommers posts already. Meaning none of you bothered to even take the time to watch the video that was posted.
Your immediate reaction is to immediately devalue and defraud what she is saying without even hearing what she has to say.
That's incredibly academic and educated of you.
I'm not sure what your arguing here? I'm referencing all skilled trades. If you need a list of skilled trade occupations it's a google search away. There are tons, plumber and electrician are just two popular ones.
A dog groomer for example is considered a skilled trade. That is done either alone or as a team.
You seem to be forcing this narrative that skilled trades are declining with mechanization, and that may be true of some, but certainly not of all. Skilled is the key word in skilled trade it's generally a job that can't be replaced by a machine or mechanized, they are done by one or groups of SKILLED laborers. I think you should spend some time researching skilled trade occupations and then tell which ones can easily and cheaply be mechanized, then you might have an argument. For the vast majority only a rise of a.i. workers with genuine human labor abilities could put the skilled trades out of a job.
The education system, especially the universities, are now a hostile place for men. It's been for a while which is why men are avoiding it and checking out. I know I wouldn't go now, though I'd just do everything as possible online.
It's long, but watch & listen to Christina Sommers @ Hillsdale College from a couple days ago.
Victims, Victims Everywhere: Trigger Warnings, Liberty, and the Academy
Yeah I don't think you are getting the point that I'm making: I've never said its about mechanization, its about increases in efficiency. I guarantee you someone (or three) is developing a software platform to make it easier and faster for dog groomers and clients to meet each other, which will increase the ability of dog groomers to process clients, which will decrease the number of dog groomers required to meet the population's dog grooming needs
Utter nonsense created by someone incapable of taking responsibility for their own failings. You don't want to go to college because you'd be comically unprepared to deal with how awfully you would do in an environment where learning is a crucial component, and conspiracy theories from the gutter snatch of the world's most intellectually dishonest anti-feminist don't thrive.
Poor men, poor men. Such a difficult life you will lead swimming through that mire of pig shit you trick yourself into believing. And if you can believe that, it's no wonder college ain't for you.
"Sadly" and "wasted".
Hah. I didn't realize so many people were throwing away their lives in college. Damn, I should have dropped out.
Maybe it depends on which men you're talking about. The article suggests that online dating WOULD be difficult for less educated men. Whereas men who went to college and had their pick of the greater numbers of women while there would not need to resort to online dating as much.Not enough educated men for women? Then why are men having such a hard time finding mates? If this was the case, then I don't think the PUA industry would be as big as it is. I also remember online dating being very difficult for men.
smh at some people that still can't accept feminism. It's as simple as equality for women.
The education system, especially the universities, are now a hostile place for men.
Maybe it depends on which men you're talking about. The article suggests that online dating WOULD be difficult for less educated men. Whereas men who went to college and had their pick of the greater numbers of women while there would not need to resort to online dating as much.
Yeah no.
Utter bullshit.
This is just what people like him must tell themselves in order to continue to live in a world where they're painfully inadequate at competing at the level so many modern women are. If they don't make up some laughably pathetic excuse for their failings, they won't be able to continue living soundly.
Aren't you the guy who's high on "evolutionary biology"?