Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I really can't stand this town. :/ Poor girl.
For this case? It's organizational.How many are? Roughly 1.1 million police officers(state/local) in 2008. What percentage of them are fucked up? If you're basing your math on what you see in the news then roughly 99.9999% of cops are fucked up because those are the high-profile stories. You don't hear stories about all the other cops.
I think the problem(s) are a lot more complex than "a lot of fucked up cops".
One of the core problems is that in gun-friendly America cops who take chances are cops who get shot. Way too many handguns out there. Handguns that can be in a purse, waistband, backpack, etc. That means the rules of engagement favor overwhelming force when in doubt. You see a 5-foot-2 teenage girl. The cop sees somebody with an open pack who didn't hit the ground when the cop yelled at them.
Realistically, it doesn't matter that she is a girl, it doesn't matter that she is black, it doesn't matter that she is a poor fit to the description of the person they were looking for. She's in the way, she's a threat, and she's not doing what the cops tell her to do. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm saying this is the way it is. Cops are trained to respond with overwhelming force in that situation. I think he showed pretty good judgement going with the dog over the taser or the baton. See, I'm not even considering whether he should have done nothing at all. The rules of engagement said he had to do something.
This isn't a "bad cop" issue. This is a reality of policing in the United States, particularly in high-crime areas.
You want to change that? For starters significantly reduce the number of unregistered handguns floating around---good luck with that---even if you could get a Republican-controlled government onboard it won't matter because we're going to be 3d-printing handguns with Office Depot level tech any day now. Secondly you need evolutionary advances in defensive gear. If cops don't have to fear for their life in every encounter then you can go with much more passive rules of engagement.
All that said, I'm sure there are plenty of "bad" cops. Bad people exist in all professions, after all. That doesn't change until you start hiring machines instead of humans. You do what you can to weed them out but it is impossible to get all of them before anything bad happens. Do police protect their own? Of course they do. Is every incident like this where the officer doesn't face harsh punishment merely a case of protecting their own? Yes and no. If an officer is following established procedure he/she isn't the one who should be the target, of course you protect that officer. This case, it appears to me the officer was following procedure. We don't have to like that procedure, but we do have to take it into consideration when trying to judge the officer, don't we?
Probably, in their mind. My "magic negro" comment above actually has a lot of truth to it, police employ next to ZERO logic when dealing with black people. They didn't see the machete at the time so that must mean it could be anywhere, even in the backpack of someone who doesn't match the description, so we better send in the attack dog.
Walter Scott could have run into the first house he saw and raped and murdered everyone inside, so he had to be shot.
Eric Garner could have summoned his super human black man strength and killed everyone nearby so they had to pile over a 1000 pounds of officer on him and crush him to death.
Hell, didn't the dude who shot Mike Brown straight up called him a demon or some shit?
They deal with white people based on what could actually happen in that very moment, and they deal with non-whites based on anything that could happen under any circumstances in any reality.
Of would say this is the phrase that pays but it's really the phrase that saves.....
I told him I cant breathe, I cant breathe and then I started yelling out, Somebody help me, somebody help me! Theyre gonna kill me! she said.
Remember this people.
I really want to see a Democratic platform in 2020 that includes a federal level police review agency but I know I'm kidding myself since the Dems are more likely to go the other direction to draw in the "economic anxiety" crowd.They said they would perform an internal investigation.
Link: http://bakersfieldnow.com/news/inve...s-naacp-video-theres-two-sides-to-every-story
So why exactly are so many cops in the US fucked up?
She was no angel
Dehumanizing stare
He was just a bad apple
Did we cover all the excuses people will use in order to act like this shitstain didn't do anything bad?
This post is unbelievable.How many are? Roughly 1.1 million police officers(state/local) in 2008. What percentage of them are fucked up? If you're basing your math on what you see in the news then roughly 99.9999% of cops are fucked up because those are the high-profile stories. You don't hear stories about all the other cops.
I think the problem(s) are a lot more complex than "a lot of fucked up cops".
One of the core problems is that in gun-friendly America cops who take chances are cops who get shot. Way too many handguns out there. Handguns that can be in a purse, waistband, backpack, etc. That means the rules of engagement favor overwhelming force when in doubt. You see a 5-foot-2 teenage girl. The cop sees somebody with an open pack who didn't hit the ground when the cop yelled at them.
Realistically, it doesn't matter that she is a girl, it doesn't matter that she is black, it doesn't matter that she is a poor fit to the description of the person they were looking for. She's in the way, she's a threat, and she's not doing what the cops tell her to do. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm saying this is the way it is. Cops are trained to respond with overwhelming force in that situation. I think he showed pretty good judgement going with the dog over the taser or the baton. See, I'm not even considering whether he should have done nothing at all. The rules of engagement said he had to do something.
This isn't a "bad cop" issue. This is a reality of policing in the United States, particularly in high-crime areas.
You want to change that? For starters significantly reduce the number of unregistered handguns floating around---good luck with that---even if you could get a Republican-controlled government onboard it won't matter because we're going to be 3d-printing handguns with Office Depot level tech any day now. Secondly you need evolutionary advances in defensive gear. If cops don't have to fear for their life in every encounter then you can go with much more passive rules of engagement.
All that said, I'm sure there are plenty of "bad" cops. Bad people exist in all professions, after all. That doesn't change until you start hiring machines instead of humans. You do what you can to weed them out but it is impossible to get all of them before anything bad happens. Do police protect their own? Of course they do. Is every incident like this where the officer doesn't face harsh punishment merely a case of protecting their own? Yes and no. If an officer is following established procedure he/she isn't the one who should be the target, of course you protect that officer. This case, it appears to me the officer was following procedure. We don't have to like that procedure, but we do have to take it into consideration when trying to judge the officer, don't we?
How much more til the "bad apples" thing stops?
Why do cops lie about everything. Always caught in lies.
One of the core problems is that in gun-friendly America cops who take chances are cops who get shot. Way too many handguns out there. Handguns that can be in a purse, waistband, backpack, etc. That means the rules of engagement favor overwhelming force when in doubt. You see a 5-foot-2 teenage girl. The cop sees somebody with an open pack who didn't hit the ground when the cop yelled at them.
Realistically, it doesn't matter that she is a girl, it doesn't matter that she is black, it doesn't matter that she is a poor fit to the description of the person they were looking for. She's in the way, she's a threat, and she's not doing what the cops tell her to do. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm saying this is the way it is. Cops are trained to respond with overwhelming force in that situation. I think he showed pretty good judgement going with the dog over the taser or the baton. See, I'm not even considering whether he should have done nothing at all. The rules of engagement said he had to do something.
This isn't a "bad cop" issue. This is a reality of policing in the United States, particularly in high-crime areas.
You want to change that? For starters significantly reduce the number of unregistered handguns floating around---good luck with that---even if you could get a Republican-controlled government onboard it won't matter because we're going to be 3d-printing handguns with Office Depot level tech any day now. Secondly you need evolutionary advances in defensive gear. If cops don't have to fear for their life in every encounter then you can go with much more passive rules of engagement.
All that said, I'm sure there are plenty of "bad" cops. Bad people exist in all professions, after all. That doesn't change until you start hiring machines instead of humans. You do what you can to weed them out but it is impossible to get all of them before anything bad happens. Do police protect their own? Of course they do. Is every incident like this where the officer doesn't face harsh punishment merely a case of protecting their own? Yes and no. If an officer is following established procedure he/she isn't the one who should be the target, of course you protect that officer. This case, it appears to me the officer was following procedure. We don't have to like that procedure, but we do have to take it into consideration when trying to judge the officer, don't we?
Are you fucking kidding me? In what world does vaguely looking like someone (EVEN IF SHE WAS A MALE THIS WOULD BE FUCKING TERRIFYING) condone siccing a dog on someone?! Her backpack was unzipped? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.
She resisted? Motherfucker sicced a dog on her and beat the shit out of her, and she had no idea what was going on, what was she supposed to do - pass out? Maybe her rag dolling would be resisting too.
Nah, this needs action.
In the UK, we have the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), and this shit would never fly here.
I'm amazed cops in America seemingly get away with whatever the fuck they want without any kind of repercussions.
Every single "point" you bring is nothing but the same old garbage you hear on all these threads. It's honestly pathetic.We don't have to like that procedure, but we do have to take it into consideration when trying to judge the officer, don't we?
I am kinda tired of the Police vs Black folks news, they just making me really angry at cops and paranoid and extra cautious around them
I'm amazed cops in America seemingly get away with whatever the fuck they want without any kind of repercussions.
I'm interested in this as well. All the threads recently motivated me to start making a list of cases with links in my notes app. I feel something like that must exist already, but if not I'm interested in starting one. I know very little about hosting websites though.I don't have income either.
I've always been cautious around them since I was child when I got separated from my mon and went to a cop for help and when my mom came back he tried to accuse her of abandoning me.
I don't see how you can see this person as fitting the description... smh
I've had a similar experience. Which is sad because from what I've seen in my local community, people are hesitant to call the police in situations where they are needed to "avoid trouble"
One of the core problems is that in gun-friendly America cops who take chances are cops who get shot.
Yeah on that day when I told my mom I went to him because that's what they taught me to do in school she told me that advice is meant for white people.
You should start a thread and update it as new stories pop up. Maybe organize the articles by state...this is super depressing.
All that said, I'm sure there are plenty of "bad" cops. Bad people exist in all professions, after all.
Being a cop is not in the top 10 most dangerous professions and is not even number one on most likely to be murdered. About 65 cops were killed by gun fire last year in the country. The threat of imminent danger is a good justification for why they should never be held accountable for their violence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/
A Bakersfield police spokesman told The Washington Post he would not comment further on the case but confirmed that the department had determined that the officers had exercised appropriate use of force on Hargrove.
If you understand the racial dynamics of America, this isn't particularly amazing at all, since the system is working as intended.
Guys and Gals I keep hearing 5'2" vs 5'10"
but how about the suspect was also:
170 pounds
Bald
with a Goatee
All cops are bad.
There is not one good cop in the United States of America. If you are defending any cop you are defending racist murderers.
Best believe they're waiting to blast out #notallcops, #Shewasresisting and one bad apple. You can already see them gearing up for it, which is a fucking shame since they're just blinding themselves to what will eventually be a complete police state. Man, fuck them, hope they never say shit when there are no more minorities to be corralled and it's just them and the police.*awaits posters from the police funeral thread*
Bakersfield is garbage. I witnessed more racisim in that town than I did 12 years in back woods North Carolina. And that's saying something.
No it isnt.America is a big place and quite varied.
You'll get no argument that there are corrupt cops and racist departments.
But to make a claim like you just did is no different than saying all Muslims are terrorists.