RiskyChris
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No Means Nomad said:
We've had 2 awesome platformers this gen, right? I have only played Galaxy, and that game did DAMN fine with only powerups that lasted like, 3 seconds.
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We've had 2 awesome platformers this gen, right? I have only played Galaxy, and that game did DAMN fine with only powerups that lasted like, 3 seconds.
lol @ Crushed. I think it looks great, but trying to browbeat others into thinking the same is just comical to watch.
I haven't got the "baggage' of having played either of the previous games, so I guess that helps my perspective here. I can certainly see how the vehicle creation can be used in a platforming milieu, but then I'm also one of the few around here that originally picked up on that angle in Gripshift. There's a similar sensibility here with the approach, I think.
Edit: this kind of "long distance" platforming goes back at least to something like Jumping Flash where the incorporation of a fully 3d viewpoint allows you to extend the distances involved as compared to the more traditional platforming approach born on single screen 2d viewpoints.
I haven't got the "baggage' of having played either of the previous games, so I guess that helps my perspective here. I can certainly see how the vehicle creation can be used in a platforming milieu, but then I'm also one of the few around here that originally picked up on that angle in Gripshift. There's a similar sensibility here with the approach, I think.
Edit: this kind of "long distance" platforming goes back at least to something like Jumping Flash where the incorporation of a fully 3d viewpoint allows you to extend the distances involved as compared to the more traditional platforming approach born on single screen 2d viewpoints.
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Russtic said:
THey need to watch this video
http://msxbxnm.vo.llnwd.net/d1/inside_xbox/en-gb/2008/05/rare_ep1cut2.wmv
This is much better than the trailer.
Visualante
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Yeah but does it feel like you actually did it?Russtic said:
The-Switcher
Banned
The very epitome of having a completely new idea/franchise in the works, then getting pressured to slap on an existing character that's a complete mismatch with the original idea.
Star Fox Adventuritis.
Why is Kazooie even in this? Didn't seem to do jack shit the entire trailer.
Should have just called this:
"Banjo: Shooting and Building"
Star Fox Adventuritis.
Why is Kazooie even in this? Didn't seem to do jack shit the entire trailer.
Should have just called this:
"Banjo: Shooting and Building"
WOW THAT'S SO DIFFERENT.RiskyChris said:
There was a van and a submarine in Banjo Tooie. :|Tathanen said:
Tathanen said:
Transportation? They're being used EXACTLY like how they were in the old games.
Face it, if this was some kind of "animal lab" where you combined pieces of DNA to choose your Mumbo transformation, you guys would have no problem with it. But if it's made of metal, WHOAH NOW
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Crushed said:
Dude, I played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie ten times combined and I know what is a typical Banjo platformer, ok?
It's all about collecting and exploring, but with a mix of british humor. Trasports existed in past Banjo's, for example Chuffy, but they were very marginal.
The famous innovative element Rare was taliking about clearly is the vehicle-thing. It's not necessarily a gimmick, but it is disturbing, because this game is now an hybrid and not a pure platformer anymore.
My answer to this: WTF were you thinking Rare?
RiskyChris
Banned
Crushed said:
Because Mumbo was the focus of BK.
Francias Castiglione
Banned
I just can't get over how many people Rare have disappointed with this game. They'll be kicking themselves to know they could have sold millions with a simple trad-platformer.
No Means Nomad
Banned
I didn't really enjoy Mario Galaxy as much as a lot of other people on the internet. Almost every level is based around a new mechanic mixed with platforming though, and very little of it is traditional.RiskyChris said:
I mean, ball rolling, point and click space movement, grabbing shells to navigate underwater races...one of it's successes is it's variety, but almost every level strays away from platforming at one point or another.
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Danielsan said:
Thanks for at least watching it and seeing what the Rare people have to say about it. THey have tons of time to get the framerate in order.
GitarooMan
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It's funny that people here take it so seriously.scitek said:
Wow, so UNimpressive from my point of view...it really doesn't make me wanna play it, doesn't look all that fun.
Oh, and it's nothing special from a technical point of view as well, with mediocre material textures and gnarly animations... the evident LittleBigPlanet rip off did NOT pay at all Rare, making Media Molecule little gem even more beautiful.
Plus where's the platforming?
Meh.
Oh, and it's nothing special from a technical point of view as well, with mediocre material textures and gnarly animations... the evident LittleBigPlanet rip off did NOT pay at all Rare, making Media Molecule little gem even more beautiful.
Plus where's the platforming?
Meh.
Don't worry, Crushed! I agree with you!Crushed said:
And that's why I'm kind of wary about it. Collectathons suck.
And the art is... there's something wrong about it. It looks uninspired. Soulless. Forced. Empty.
SOMETHING. Something wrong.
However, the idea of building vehicles from various parts and using those vehicles to get around (an idea I've been tossing around in my head for a long time) is appealing enough for me to toss aside the Rare hate and actually be optimistic for once.
That, and I loved Viva Pinata. So I have some hope.
ALSO: You guys are all idiots. Of course the trailier is going to focus on the new big concept of building vehicles. You're still going to get your damn platformer. Shut the fuck up, whiners.
(I can't believe I'm defending a Rare game. It makes me sad.)
evilromero
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I'm fairly skeptical about zany new directions for games but I must this looks promising. It's hard to say if it'll all come together into a fluid package (something Viva Pinata missed unfortunately) but at the very least the driving mechanics look enjoyable. I just hope Rare can manage to implement a strong gameplay principle, which is something they've struggled with since their departure from Nintendo.
BenjaminBirdie
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Salmonax said:
You can play through the entire game without building a thing yourself.
RiskyChris
Banned
Crushed said:
Your primary control is Mario in the 3 games, however.
quietcrown
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Crushed said:
You're missing the fact that controlling a vehicle doesn't offer any of the tightness or precision of control that the previous games had, something that's reflected in the haphazard, sprawling design of the levels. Of course, B-K never had that to the extent of, say, the mario games, but it had a fuck-load more than what's suggested by this trailer. That's what's missing.
I'm sure this'll be a fine game, but it's hard not to be dissappointed with this reveal given the recent dearth of platformers
RiskyChris
Banned
The appeal of BK was the cute "odd couple" with a variety of very simple acrobatic moves.
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah, it shows far more actual platforming in that video too. Also, the amount of bullshit in this thread is rediculous.Agent Icebeezy said:
If people actually bothered to do their research and check out one of the dozens of interviews and hands-on posted in this thread, they'd realise that half of their complaints about the game are completely unsubstantiated and incorrect.
Future PhaZe
Member
This is looking pretty good. I'm just wondering what the actual objective of the game is. I know we build vehicles, but what do we do from there?
Can't wait to see more.
Can't wait to see more.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Danielsan said:
Fucking hell yes.
Considering DK DS, a port of a decade year old N64 game has sold more copies than any Rare developed Xbox & 360 game, I personally find the attack on Nintendo in this trailer pretty disgusting.
It also shows a lot of nerve.....they continue to collect millions of dollars by developing for the DS, and then attack the hand that feeds them...
I personally would love it if Nintendo withdraw their licence to develop for the DS.
With Rare's history of sales flops for the Xbox & 360, I would love to see if they still think it's funny to basically disrespect the company that (1) made them the success they USED to be by giving them access to Nintendo IP's, and (2) continues to allow them to develop games on a Nintendo system.
It also shows a lot of nerve.....they continue to collect millions of dollars by developing for the DS, and then attack the hand that feeds them...
I personally would love it if Nintendo withdraw their licence to develop for the DS.
With Rare's history of sales flops for the Xbox & 360, I would love to see if they still think it's funny to basically disrespect the company that (1) made them the success they USED to be by giving them access to Nintendo IP's, and (2) continues to allow them to develop games on a Nintendo system.
Crushed said:
Just, please, add THIS BUNCH OF HANDS-ON IMPRESSIONS to your OP.
Not because they are positive, but because they do a wonderful job explaining what the game actually is.
Misunderstoodery is the basis of all this whinery.
Are people really missing the Whole "Here is a puzzle, build whatever you like to try and solve it" idea that Rare are putting into the new Banjo game?
Watch the videos and see how the vehicles are built to solve a puzzle. Moving the huge Ice Block, so you build a vehicle that can move it well. You're free to solve the puzzles in any way you see fit. How fun is it going to be to look at a problem and then design a contraption from scratch, that will help you in your quest for Jiggy bits?
What about the online modes? This could be the same as the Halo 3 Forge mode which spawned countless new game types. People making contraptions to have football matches, hockey games, basketball games. Think about those TV programs where people take junk and make some bizarre vehicle out of it...but in a game.
The original Banjo games had puzzle solving elements that revolved around hours and hours of wandering back and forwards, solving a puzzle in one land, only to unlock something else else miles away. Don't get me wrong, I still love the old Banjo games but Rare really had to bring something new to the table, especially after Super Mario Galaxy.
Watch the videos and see how the vehicles are built to solve a puzzle. Moving the huge Ice Block, so you build a vehicle that can move it well. You're free to solve the puzzles in any way you see fit. How fun is it going to be to look at a problem and then design a contraption from scratch, that will help you in your quest for Jiggy bits?
What about the online modes? This could be the same as the Halo 3 Forge mode which spawned countless new game types. People making contraptions to have football matches, hockey games, basketball games. Think about those TV programs where people take junk and make some bizarre vehicle out of it...but in a game.
The original Banjo games had puzzle solving elements that revolved around hours and hours of wandering back and forwards, solving a puzzle in one land, only to unlock something else else miles away. Don't get me wrong, I still love the old Banjo games but Rare really had to bring something new to the table, especially after Super Mario Galaxy.
Tathanen
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Crushed said:
I just refreshed my memory with a video of the van. It's nothing like these vehicles. It's small, contained, and basically just Banjo on rollerskates. You can't just say "OMG ITS A CAR TOO" and think your point has been made. There are no similarities between it and the vehicles in the trailer aside from the inclusion of wheels.
You know what? You're probably right! And what's wrong with that? Animals would be more true to the actual aesthetic of the game, but more importantly, your creations wouldn't have PROPULSION as their emphasis. Animals can do a billion different things, but all the vehicles we've seen so far have had "move forwards with varying degrees of competence and maybe shoot at the same time" as their sole characteristics.
If the contraptions end up being all sorts of varying things that aren't just about driving or flying around, then I'll gladly eat my words, but I prefer to base my opinions on what I've actually been shown. And right now, this shit aint banjo.