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Maxwell House
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I'd sign up for a Gaming-Age $30, $150 prize for the winner league via CBS Sportsline. How many people are interested in that?
That's my first choice. Heck, maybe we should discuss that in a seperate thread to organize our thoughts. Some people have mentioned paypalling $10 (who would we trust our money to ?) in a pool, and giving that to the winner, and that's a possibility. But I'm a big fan of sites other than Yahoo, and since it's not that much money (for a season-long game, and a prize of $150) I thought we'd be able to do it. Something will get done, that's for sure, I think a seperate thread is in order. We can always bump it once discussions get stale, since there's a lot of waiting to do before it could start.
BigJonsson
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Will this money be in Canadian or US funds 
And Hillenbrand is a great pick-up by the Jays
And Hillenbrand is a great pick-up by the Jays
www.thestar.com
"The 29-year-old native of Arizona is a brash, opinionated renegade who says what he thinks, as evidenced by his rancorous, sometimes-comical departure from the Red Sox in the spring of '03. It began after rookie Sox GM Theo Epstein inked third baseman Bill Mueller to a two-year, $4.5 million (U.S.) contract, even though Hillenbrand was already an all-star at the position. Epstein, yet another Billy Beane disciple, liked Mueller's on-base numbers. Hillenbrand saw the writing on the wall.
"I'm not going out quietly, I'll tell you that much,'' Hillenbrand said. "They think we're stupid. On-base percentage is overrated unless you're the leadoff man. If I get a 7-8-9 hitter on base, it don't mean s--- to me.''
Sounds like he and Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi will get along famously. As the spring went on in '03, so did Hillenbrand's rants against his employer.
``They don't know what they have with me,'' he said as he watched Mueller compete for his job. ``If they get rid of me, they'll know what they have. You've heard of Jeff Bagwell?''
Hillenbrand was referring to a Bosox trade debacle in an earlier decade that sent Bagwell, a perennial all-star, to Houston for reliever Larry Andersen.
Finally, early in the regular season, both sides had had enough.
``Trade me now, faggot,'' Hillenbrand beseeched his boss on a local Boston call-in show in April. The offending word was bleeped out before it went over the airwaves. On May 29, his wish was granted. He was dealt to the D-Backs for reliever Byung-Hyun Kim."
"The 29-year-old native of Arizona is a brash, opinionated renegade who says what he thinks, as evidenced by his rancorous, sometimes-comical departure from the Red Sox in the spring of '03. It began after rookie Sox GM Theo Epstein inked third baseman Bill Mueller to a two-year, $4.5 million (U.S.) contract, even though Hillenbrand was already an all-star at the position. Epstein, yet another Billy Beane disciple, liked Mueller's on-base numbers. Hillenbrand saw the writing on the wall.
"I'm not going out quietly, I'll tell you that much,'' Hillenbrand said. "They think we're stupid. On-base percentage is overrated unless you're the leadoff man. If I get a 7-8-9 hitter on base, it don't mean s--- to me.''
Sounds like he and Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi will get along famously. As the spring went on in '03, so did Hillenbrand's rants against his employer.
``They don't know what they have with me,'' he said as he watched Mueller compete for his job. ``If they get rid of me, they'll know what they have. You've heard of Jeff Bagwell?''
Hillenbrand was referring to a Bosox trade debacle in an earlier decade that sent Bagwell, a perennial all-star, to Houston for reliever Larry Andersen.
Finally, early in the regular season, both sides had had enough.
``Trade me now, faggot,'' Hillenbrand beseeched his boss on a local Boston call-in show in April. The offending word was bleeped out before it went over the airwaves. On May 29, his wish was granted. He was dealt to the D-Backs for reliever Byung-Hyun Kim."
We can use sites other than yahoo, but if it's not standard head to head using the standard 10 categories(runs, avg, rbi, hr, sb, wins, era, whip, ks and saves) then I'm not interested.Fifty said:
Also, I think the draw of paypalling the cash to someone to hold or buy an MLB.com gift certificate with is that if we get 10 guys to sign up at $30 a head for a $150 pot, well, we're just pissing $150 away to a website. This way we can use a free service and not pay anyone to let us play.
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These are the people who have expressed interest, not necessarily at $30 a head though. I think we'll stick with a $30 pot per person.
If I'd trust anyone, it'd probably be Raoul Duke or Astrolad, as they're the fucking assholes who beat me out every year, I have never finished above 3rd I believe, as I always fall behind these two jerks.
Anywho, they're also probably the two biggest Fantasy junkies on the board, and wouldn't fuck around with the cash...or we'd have to kill you.
We could do Yahoo like we do every year.
Also, would it be a winner takes all league, or top 3 win prizes?
Let's say it's 12 people. 360 bucks, 200 to the winner, 100 to 2nd place, 60 to 3rd.
Or we could just give the winner all 360.
So much to think about, so much time...o
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Miguel
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BigJonsson
calder
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Guileless
Lathentar
Maxwell House
Cubsfan23
These are the people who have expressed interest, not necessarily at $30 a head though. I think we'll stick with a $30 pot per person.
If I'd trust anyone, it'd probably be Raoul Duke or Astrolad, as they're the fucking assholes who beat me out every year, I have never finished above 3rd I believe, as I always fall behind these two jerks.
Anywho, they're also probably the two biggest Fantasy junkies on the board, and wouldn't fuck around with the cash...or we'd have to kill you.
We could do Yahoo like we do every year.
Also, would it be a winner takes all league, or top 3 win prizes?
Let's say it's 12 people. 360 bucks, 200 to the winner, 100 to 2nd place, 60 to 3rd.
Or we could just give the winner all 360.
So much to think about, so much time...
oBigJonsson
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Astro beat me in Fifty's NFL league...
It won't happen again!
*yes it will
It won't happen again!
*yes it will
Miguel said:GA OT $port$ Whore$
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Miguel
Joe
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BigJonsson
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Maxwell House
These are the people who have expressed interest, not necessarily at $30 a head though. I think we'll stick with a $30 pot per person.
If I'd trust anyone, it'd probably be Raoul Duke or Astrolad, as they're the fucking assholes who beat me out every year, I have never finished above 3rd I believe, as I always fall behind these two jerks.
Anywho, they're also probably the two biggest Fantasy junkies on the board, and wouldn't fuck around with the cash...or we'd have to kill you.
We could do Yahoo like we do every year.
Also, would it be a winner takes all league, or top 3 win prizes?
Let's say it's 12 people. 360 bucks, 200 to the winner, 100 to 2nd place, 60 to 3rd.
Or we could just give the winner all 360.
So much to think about, so much time...
I just don't like the idea of spending money on a league if it's just coming with basic features, unlike ESPN and CBS, plus there's of course the issue of not having a central source handing out the prizes. The advantage to yahoo is obvious, that there's be no middle man (well, besides whoever handles the payments, and therein lies a problem) and the money can go straight to the winner. If we all spend 30 at Sportsline, and 10 people join (Since 11 of us haven't said they'd pay 30) that's a total of $300 spent, for a prize of $150. If we do it in the free league, the disadvantage is that the leagues wouldn't be as nice, but 100% of the money would go to the winner(s). It's a tough choice, and we should have a vote on it with the interested parties in a new thread in a while.
It would be head to head. Rotisserie is for bitches.
Here's how I'd personally break out the pot, Mig. My friends and I have a money league, and this is how we do it. Just a suggestion, but:
1. 25% goes to the guy who finishes first overall for the season. Since baseball has such a long ass season, finishing first is more of an accomplishment in fantasy baseball than in any other sport. That should be recognized even if you don't win it all.
2. Winner of the playoffs gets 50% of the pot. Second gets 25%. This way, you can potentially get up to 75% of the pot. 3rd and lower get NOTHING. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
If you guys want to, I would volunteer to hold the cash. I would be willing to post screen caps of my paypal balance monthly or whatever if that makes everyone feel better about it. I have a decent paying job and honestly wouldn't even remember about this until playoff time. Let me know if that's acceptable and how we want to do this.
One further addendum: I would also propose limiting the number of free agent acquisitions that a team can make after the regular season starts to about 30 or so. This places increased emphasis on the draft and makes you think twice about using your transactions. It also prevents people from just rotating pitchers in and out(which I find to be a bitch tactic).
Here's how I'd personally break out the pot, Mig. My friends and I have a money league, and this is how we do it. Just a suggestion, but:
1. 25% goes to the guy who finishes first overall for the season. Since baseball has such a long ass season, finishing first is more of an accomplishment in fantasy baseball than in any other sport. That should be recognized even if you don't win it all.
2. Winner of the playoffs gets 50% of the pot. Second gets 25%. This way, you can potentially get up to 75% of the pot. 3rd and lower get NOTHING. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
If you guys want to, I would volunteer to hold the cash. I would be willing to post screen caps of my paypal balance monthly or whatever if that makes everyone feel better about it. I have a decent paying job and honestly wouldn't even remember about this until playoff time. Let me know if that's acceptable and how we want to do this.
One further addendum: I would also propose limiting the number of free agent acquisitions that a team can make after the regular season starts to about 30 or so. This places increased emphasis on the draft and makes you think twice about using your transactions. It also prevents people from just rotating pitchers in and out(which I find to be a bitch tactic).
evil solrac v3.0
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love to join you in the annual bashing of miguel's brains fellas but my situation is too fluid at the moment. hopefully you guys will still do the freebie league.
evil solrac v3.0
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where is sven? i miss his vitriol and his white boy from the 'burbs anger. he was a cool guy (even though he hated all ethnic groups, but at least he was equal in his hate :lol )
:lol )
BigJonsson
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What added features though
I've never played Sportsline, so I'm not sure what they have....ESPN has a nicer interface (IMO) full access to all of their columns, player ratings, draft info etc..I've been pretty loyal to them, but I can see why it would make more sense to do it this way, even if it's not as flashy. What we could do is have the commish be the same person who handles the paypal stuff, and have that person give the password out to the league once you've paid whatever we decide upon as the entry fee. (for yahoo) That's looking like the best way to do it IMO, even if I'm still a little uneasy about that. Maybe someone can suggest something better. We've got plenty of time
F H2H for the pay league. I've won probably 80% of my H2H baseball leagues, but basically all it boils down to is who gets luckier at the end. Roto is better for a serious league as it rewards constant performance. H2H is fine for football, but over the course of a baseball season it's ridiculous to perform like crap and then just have 2 hitters and 2 pitchers get hot at playoff time and win it all. All imo.
tyguy20204
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I'd be interested in either a payed league or freebie league. If there are any slots open, please let me know.
evil solrac v3.0
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AstroLad said:
i agree. (otherwise i'd whoop your butt but sore every year) no bitterness on my part of course.
hey, get to bed. isnt this a school day? evil solrac v3.0
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tyguy20204 said:
we've been a very tight group of people at GAF playing almost all of the sports for three years now. you'd have to prove your mettle or wait till someone dropped out.
tyguy20204
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That's fine. I know I'm a junior member here at GAF, but you won't find a bigger baseball fan (specifically Brewers), and you could count on me to keep my roster active, etc.
Just let me know if there are any openings.
Just let me know if there are any openings.
Whooooa. Almost fell off the first page there.
Here's a bit if info to make this post relevant. Astros called SportsRadio 610. Supposedly Turk Wendell is headed to our bullpen. Isn't he like INSANELY superstitious? At least that's what I remember, I could be wrong. Who was he with?
Here's a bit if info to make this post relevant. Astros called SportsRadio 610. Supposedly Turk Wendell is headed to our bullpen. Isn't he like INSANELY superstitious? At least that's what I remember, I could be wrong. Who was he with?
Actually I stand corrected, he doesn't wear chicken bones but rather bear claws....
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/wiley/010510.html
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/wiley/010510.html
Paying a bit for a premium service is cool (in addition to whatever we put in the kitty for wagering) as long as it has cool draft features and extra stat content. Live stats though are a must for any pay league, I love seeing how my guys are doing live as it effects my standings.
I always have done roto (and will again with my friends and my local yahoo league) but I've never done a head-to-head baseball pool. It pretty much the same as the Yahoo football one I was in this year - a weeklong winner take all thing? I thought the football h2h kinda sucked when *I* finished second in the standings despite having a pretty shitty team that managed to narrowly defeat much better teams having off weeks for a month straight. So much bullshit luck week after week that I wonder if H2H baseball would be the same , but maybe that was just a fluky event and a full baseball season would be more favourable to guys who trade and draft well rather than luck of the draw.
I always have done roto (and will again with my friends and my local yahoo league) but I've never done a head-to-head baseball pool. It pretty much the same as the Yahoo football one I was in this year - a weeklong winner take all thing? I thought the football h2h kinda sucked when *I* finished second in the standings despite having a pretty shitty team that managed to narrowly defeat much better teams having off weeks for a month straight.
So much bullshit luck week after week that I wonder if H2H baseball would be the same , but maybe that was just a fluky event and a full baseball season would be more favourable to guys who trade and draft well rather than luck of the draw.calder said:Paying a bit for a premium service is cool (in addition to whatever we put in the kitty for wagering) as long as it has cool draft features and extra stat content. Live stats though are a must for any pay league, I love seeing how my guys are doing live as it effects my standings.
I always have done roto (and will again with my friends and my local yahoo league) but I've never done a head-to-head baseball pool. It pretty much the same as the Yahoo football one I was in this year - a weeklong winner take all thing? I thought the football h2h kinda sucked when *I* finished second in the standings despite having a pretty shitty team that managed to narrowly defeat much better teams having off weeks for a month straight.
Baseball H2H is much worse I can assure you. Since the season is so much longer, people get even more fucked over by the luck someone might have in those final three weeks. Playoffs makes sense in real sports since people can "turn it up" at playoff time. You can't do that in fantasy sports really, so imo rewarding season-long performance is better than just rewarding someone who hung in there and then just had players get hot at the end for reasons no one could really have predicted.
I can understand your reasoning, Astro, but rotisserie is just so... boring. I mean, there's so many opportunities for trash talking in H2H. Rotisserie? "Yeah dude, I'm totally gonna catch you in strikeouts. FACE!"
You're still gonna have to have good players to get to the playoffs. Besides, I proposed giving 25% of the pot to the team that finishes first overall.
And Calder, H2H in baseball isn't winner take all. You have the same basic 10 categories as you do in roto, but say I win 6 and you take 4 for the week. I don't get 1 win, I get 6 wins and 4 losses. Much more even than football, IMO.
You're still gonna have to have good players to get to the playoffs. Besides, I proposed giving 25% of the pot to the team that finishes first overall.
And Calder, H2H in baseball isn't winner take all. You have the same basic 10 categories as you do in roto, but say I win 6 and you take 4 for the week. I don't get 1 win, I get 6 wins and 4 losses. Much more even than football, IMO.
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I would just say we do roto for the pay league, and then a mix of h2h and roto for the others (like it usually is) b/c in a pay league you shouldn't need that extra incentive of trash talk to get people hyped like you may need in a regular league.
I dunno. Roto is just boring to me. If everyone else wants to do a roto league for cash, then I will. I'm very good at them(been in Yahoo winners roto leagues for 3 years now), they just don't excite me very much.
Also, if we DO do the roto, I propose about a 1400 inning limit instead of the standard 1250.
Also, if we DO do the roto, I propose about a 1400 inning limit instead of the standard 1250.
I'd prefer roto, but I'd do either. One thing I'd suggest, if we did H2H, is to increase the winner's pot to at least 50%. The one thing I hate about H2H is the fact that the playoffs can be determined by luck. The best manager and the best team should win the majority of the prize. If they can be on top after months of play, they should be rewarded. Anyway, I'm still big on roto, but if we do H2H, as Astro said "imo rewarding season-long performance is better than just rewarding someone who hung in there and then just had players get hot at the end for reasons no one could really have predicted." and we should have the winner of the H2H season recieve at least 50% of the prize.
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I'll participate regardless of what we end up doing, but I would prefer to use a pay site like ESPN. The stat-tracking and features are just so much better, and we're going to be checking this stuff a lot over the next several months. I've never played head to head fantasy baseball, but I have no problem trying it if that's what we decide on.
BigJonsson
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Roto
No head to head crap
No head to head crap
tyguy20204
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Miguel said:
Yes, the Brewers have twelve consecutive seasons of sub-.500 play.
But things are looking bright.
-We have finally rid ourselves of the Selig ownership.
-Our General Manager, Doug Melvin, knows what he is doing. See turning minor league free agent Scott Podsednik (who is incredibly overrated) into Carlos Lee and Dan Kolb into flamethrowing Jose Capellan.
-Jack Z, our scouting director, has in a few scant years rejuvenated our farm system, which was rated last year as #1 by Baseball America. Look for the names J.J Hardy, Rickie Weeks, Prince Fielder, and Corey Hart to soon hit the 25 man roster.
-Our 1-2 part of the rotation, Ben Sheets and Doug Davis, was one of the best in baseball. Ben Sheets had a breakout season, posting a 2.70 era, .98 WHIP, and striking out 264. Mike Maddux, the pitching coach, seems to be working wonders.
We might not reach .500 this year, but there is a definite chance of it happening, and I fully expect we will be contenders for the wildcard within a couple seasons.
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tyguy20204 said:
that's cool with me. just keep posting here until we get the leagues up and running.
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If there's room, I'd love to do Fantasy Baseball too.
I came 2nd last in one of the NFL leagues (thanks fifty), but I'm doing really well in the NBA leagues.
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