I was looking through tl's posts and noticed this one. I believe tl cleared Camjo n1 and got robin as a result here. He didn't explicitly say it, but I'm willing to bet that's what this post was trying to get across with his consistent claiming that Camjo would come up robin "no matter what". Makes sense he would try to get messages across to any possible alignment cops to not waste their time on Camjo.
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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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I was looking through tl's posts and noticed this one. I believe tl cleared Camjo n1 and got robin as a result here. He didn't explicitly say it, but I'm willing to bet that's what this post was trying to get across with his consistent claiming that Camjo would come up robin "no matter what". Makes sense he would try to get messages across to any possible alignment cops to not waste their time on Camjo.
Xamtheking
Member
I was thinking this too
And then the heavens opened up and revealed to me
"Scum team is probably another mess"
Well, I look pretty silly now. But hey, you can't fault me for thinking that following a plan with no details provided whatsoever is a bad idea! Of course, Launch could still be mafia, but I find it hard to believe he jumped into the game as a replacement so late and managed to hatch a fake plot that quickly, especially since I now think El Topo is town and did in fact stop scum chat yesterday. TL21xx had three shots, so it's likely that he used one the first night.
Topo didn't say anything prior to this post that scum couldn't easily lie about, so I think TL checked Topo knowing he was a safe choice since if Topo was townie, mafia would leave him alive anyway to promote suspicion against his continued survival.
I don't think he checked me. It would have been quite a waste of time considering an override power is basically guaranteed to be townsided, and there's no way he would have known about Red Hood/Robin stuff before yesterday.
Topo didn't say anything prior to this post that scum couldn't easily lie about, so I think TL checked Topo knowing he was a safe choice since if Topo was townie, mafia would leave him alive anyway to promote suspicion against his continued survival.
I don't think he checked me. It would have been quite a waste of time considering an override power is basically guaranteed to be townsided, and there's no way he would have known about Red Hood/Robin stuff before yesterday.
Xamtheking
Member
Scum can't communicate with each other yesterday if we believe El Topo
They would be all alone
He clearly did not put Camjo in the town field on D2.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This makes sense for a variety of reasons - Nightwing losing his identity for a bit then becoming a secret agent, often going undercover, being Batman for awhile. I believe that Roy would just name the role Dick.
Hmm I agree with this.
Don't know, but somebody did.
And that means they instantly turn into idiots when acting solo?
The classic WIFOM. Doctor claims and lives.
It could just as well be a neutral as scum but then if you were forced into voting and you didn't then that could look bad as well. A lot went into Launch campaigning for people to vote.
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Something else I just realized, if Launch is telling the truth then that is probably it for cops. There wouldn't be a regular alignment cop in addition to what Launch is which is basically a one night mass alignment cop. And Roy is still scarred from HP so I doubt there are three investigators roaming around.
Xamtheking
Member
Team chat is a crucial part of how the scum team works; a scum team that isn't able to communicate has issues because they normally rely on each other
Xamtheking
Member
Sorian, you know firsthand what can happen when someone claims a PR with a meeiocre scum team
Camjo's thought makes more sense. I think TL21 did clear Topo, he is the obvious choice to check after the clusterfuck that was day 1 ending. Topo came in with a last minute drip feed claim and name claimed. A name cop could easily throw shade at that or just accept it the following day. I don't think TL ever put shade on Topo and I think he actually put Topo in most of his top town reads when everyone else was lukewarm towards Topo (going back to make sure on this now).
Yeah, this post. Look at how he lists his top town. "Sorian and Fireblend for their play, and Topo for their Oracle claim" He totally checked out Topo.
I was a bit busy that night, but when I catched up I noticed that Kark was worried about what would happen:
So I offered to replace him.
But he wanted me to vote instead.
So I did.
I'm sorry for messing it up. I had to read the thread really quickly back then because I was busy at work and I didn't catch how important it was for you to only have those three voting for him. When Kark said he wanted me to join him I thought it was ok.
Xamtheking
Member
Be back in 6 hours
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Manager no longer likes being on phone during work
They hit two power roles that didn't claim in a row though while both of our lynches hit ordinaries.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Hmm
I am starting to backpedal on Ty4on, but that leaves me not much to go on.
I am starting to backpedal on Ty4on, but that leaves me not much to go on.
*Sherlock quote*
I'm not sure how this doesn't leave you much to go on. From your perspective (if you are telling the truth), you have 3 other people who aren't exactly roses and you know one of them is non-town.
Kark has played a game that you can either definite as "non-town" or "gambit-filled" and those two are quite interchangeable fairly easily looking at it all together.
Tying the day one vote causing a scramble: Either forcing others into joining the vote and choosing sides or causing mass confusion that might make a no lynch happen accidentally (likelier scenario if Flux/Absolut is a scum partner) or just to get people off balance and easier to throw shade on later.
Dogging the proven overrider all day: Either giving due diligence to each and every claim and action as a good townie would or trying to remove an element that is usually pro-town and has claimed to either be bulletproof, veteran-esque, or able to self-revive.
Bat computer: Either a ploy worthy of applause just based on the psychological effects alone or a useless indicator meant to drain discussion from real topic and allowing scum to fly under the radar with easy remarks for or against it.
Absolut has done nothing scummy IMO since he has joined but he is filling the shoes of Flux who spent all of day 1 being a wall flower and defending himself and the front half of day 2 and last 10% of day 1 yearning for his own death as publicly as possible basically shouting from the rooftops "I do not care about my life! How could I be scum with such an attitude!"
Coppa has been playing a vastly vastly different game than he has ever played before, opting to be quiet, reserved, and not at all interested in pressing the way he has used to. He promised me a day 2 that was much more active than day 1 but delivered pretty much exactly the same.
I'm obviously most interested in Coppa. I want to say I really hope a cop or some other investigator sorts out Kark but that won't really happen anymore unless you are telling the truth and we at least have him in a short list but like it or not, everything he has done could be helping as much as I think it is hurting. As for Absolut, I'll let him fill in those shoes a bit more and see where it goes from there.
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Ignoring Launch for a second because I don't want to just take this at face value and assume we have a short list with scum/neutral in it. I think it is safe to say that Topo is cleared which means that scum was blocked yesterday during day chat. A good course of action if we want to ignore Launch is see if anyone acted drastically different between day 1, where they had the help of teammates, and day 2, when they did not.
Also, to Pop, is your intention to just lay a vote at my feet and then disappear for a whole day phase again?
The motive for scum to join Launch's bday party would probably be to try to throw suspicion on the group. For this, they'd need two things:
1) They would have to figure out that Launch's plan was to investigate the vote group.
2) They would need the assurance that the group was big enough that they could hide in it.
#1 would not have been that difficult to guess, but a gamble nonetheless.
#2 would be a delicate game. If mafia wanted to be in on the group all, they'd have to wait until more people joined to be assured that they could have enough cover to make that happen.
The weird thing is that Launch insisted he needed "a player who would stay alive" for it to work. But how would that be a bad thing for Launch's power?
If someone in his bday party died, it would only help us narrow down the result.
But that brings me back to condition #2. Scum needs the party to be crowded for their attendance to make any sense. Launch requested the party "stay crowded" in two ways: "we need at least 3, no more than 5", and "I need players who wont die".
But there's one more thing. He specifically told me to not roleclaim. A roleclaim would have threatened to reduce the pool and make the party less ambiguous.
1) They would have to figure out that Launch's plan was to investigate the vote group.
2) They would need the assurance that the group was big enough that they could hide in it.
#1 would not have been that difficult to guess, but a gamble nonetheless.
#2 would be a delicate game. If mafia wanted to be in on the group all, they'd have to wait until more people joined to be assured that they could have enough cover to make that happen.
The weird thing is that Launch insisted he needed "a player who would stay alive" for it to work. But how would that be a bad thing for Launch's power?
If someone in his bday party died, it would only help us narrow down the result.
But that brings me back to condition #2. Scum needs the party to be crowded for their attendance to make any sense. Launch requested the party "stay crowded" in two ways: "we need at least 3, no more than 5", and "I need players who wont die".
But there's one more thing. He specifically told me to not roleclaim. A roleclaim would have threatened to reduce the pool and make the party less ambiguous.
That's what we call a vote count.
Are we really sending this guy as our representative?
Hmm.
VOTE: Sorian
To be fair, he told you not to roleclaim because roleclaiming for no reason on day 2 is idiotic regardless of the circumstance of his power. I assume all of us either assumed he was doing some type of group investigation or was going to betray all of you and someone detonate the group. We have no detonation yet so I'll strike that since I feel like something like that would be instant. If you follow the logic that he is telling the truth, I think the insistence that none of you were going to die is fairly clear.
VOTE: Sorian
To be fair, he told you not to roleclaim because roleclaiming for no reason on day 2 is idiotic regardless of the circumstance of his power. I assume all of us either assumed he was doing some type of group investigation or was going to betray all of you and someone detonate the group. We have no detonation yet so I'll strike that since I feel like something like that would be instant. If you follow the logic that he is telling the truth, I think the insistence that none of you were going to die is fairly clear.
Then Launch is lying.
Two things of note here is A) how Topo is town solely because of his claim and B) Camjo is "obviously" a (n eventual) neutral/scum.
He didn't push Camjo more though and ended the day with his vote on Mazre so this makes me think he most likely checked Topo and saw that they were in fact the Oracle.
It is possible he checked Camjo though. Especially looking at this post here:
His insistence that cops don't investigate him is really curious and the closest I've found to a confirmation of whom he investigated. There's also a slight soft claim in retrospect. Note he phrases it "come up as Robin" and not "come up as heroes".
AbsolutBro
Member
AB. QB is a dude who gives Imperials shields instead of Rebels. (<3)
This question is more for non-Launch players, since I'm still a bit of an outsider in this game. It's really two questions that sort of tie in together: how strongly do we feel that Launch is town, and how many of this list are we willing to lynch before we get uncomfortable doing so?
IF Launch is scum, it's possible he fed us a list of town. We spend the next 4 days lynching targets trying to find the scum. Meantime, scum is picking us off at night and by the time we don't trust Launch, we are down too many players and it's GG scum.
I know I'm not scum. Which would leave 3 names from my perspective. I'll give Kark, Coppa and Ty4on a re-read, see if anything scummy jumps out. I just don't want people getting too sucked in by the names if we don't trust Launch.
If Launch has been confirmed 100% town, feel free to ignore this entire post. (Well, except the QB vs AB thing)
A really important thing to restate is that with four scum (or even three I think with this few players) any arbitrary* group of four players will most likely contain at least one scum. If Launch is telling the truth then lynching someone inside that group isn't giving us much better odds than lynching at random.
*I'll treat it as one, but it was obviously not chosen by RNG
Har har, I was hoping you'd post another while I was in the shower though. Can I get an updated one?
Scum does stupid things if they felt pressured into it. For example, Launch was heavily pushing you to be on his list.
Launch is far from 100% town. It's easily a crap shoot whether this claim is real or Launch is scum with a gambit.
Also this.
That's a good catch. Makes me think he checked El Topo again because he is almost outright admitting to investigating him in retrospect with that "it seems to check out" comment.
Is someone mad at me for the vote thief in PW? I was hoping this was something weird with Topo but I guess it's me.
I meant to say Coppa not Topo, I was just reading the post about him and got mixed up (my vote was on Coppa not Launch before I changed to myself if that's what you are checking)
I'll keep it at Launch and switch to Coppa after the next vote count, but I'm guessing there should have been a dead vote on Coppa if Launch disabled it.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Seems like Sorian was hit by a vote thief? Yeah, I can't see how that'd be a town power, and I don't know why scum would want to rob one of their own of a vote, so I'm gonna consider him not completely cleared, but certainly knocked down a few pegs on my scum listing. Anyway:
Vote: El Topo
Your response to people calling your claim into question based on Launch's info was pretty testy. That, the weak nature of you claim and your antitown behavior and attitude makes me feel that you're probably the biggest scum candidate we have right now, even with bot the Batcomputer bold list and Launch's.
Vote: El Topo
Your response to people calling your claim into question based on Launch's info was pretty testy. That, the weak nature of you claim and your antitown behavior and attitude makes me feel that you're probably the biggest scum candidate we have right now, even with bot the Batcomputer bold list and Launch's.
Now that I'm not on mobile, there's no dead vote on anyone though from the looks of things. My vote isn't moving regardless of what I do. I added it to myself because I already had a vote on myself, Roy didn't move it or change it in any way and I still only sat at one vote.
A vote thief was town in my own game just a few weeks ago. The thief portion of this is still missing though that would imply someone else is using my vote.
Also, did you miss the whole conversation that Topo is likely the one who TL21xx cleared N1?
Considering what your vote has been replaced with, I think it's safe to say we're looking at the Joker here.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Quick clarification on why I don't like Topo's response to his RC being called into question.
Kark's assertion is that scum deliberately voted for Cam in order to throw suspicion on the entirety of Cam's vote pool, and that, because of that, Topo's claim isn't true because scum would need to communicate and coordinate for that.
Now, the correct way to answer this would be to refute Kark's assertion, claim that the scum player just concocted the idea by themselves and flew into it on their own. Instead, you immediately decided to question Launch's claim instead, reversing the the logic of Kark's assertion to disprove Launch rather than disprove yourself. Such a response doesn't read to me of someone trying to earnestly make sense of the situation, but of someone knowing that their teammate is possibly in trouble, and trying to play defense for them by casting doubt on the person who's info is threatening them.
Kark's assertion is that scum deliberately voted for Cam in order to throw suspicion on the entirety of Cam's vote pool, and that, because of that, Topo's claim isn't true because scum would need to communicate and coordinate for that.
Now, the correct way to answer this would be to refute Kark's assertion, claim that the scum player just concocted the idea by themselves and flew into it on their own. Instead, you immediately decided to question Launch's claim instead, reversing the the logic of Kark's assertion to disprove Launch rather than disprove yourself. Such a response doesn't read to me of someone trying to earnestly make sense of the situation, but of someone knowing that their teammate is possibly in trouble, and trying to play defense for them by casting doubt on the person who's info is threatening them.
First off, you seem to be remembering day 1 far differently than it actually played out. My relatively early vote is because I am the one who led the charge on Flux, 100% completely, and there wasn't an "upheaval" at the end, Flux was a viable option as was Topo at the time.
To answer your question though. I tend to back off of people who get replaced in so that I can let them get their own footing. Absolut joined yesterday with just enough time to catch up on the thread from the looks of things but while Flux was scummy as shit the whole way through, Absolut appears to be townish in his responses so far. It brings the whole role/player/spot back to middling for me so while I'm still watching him and seeing how he plays out in his first full day, he isn't top of my scum list anymore.
This makes a lot of sense though.
Slightly joking, but of course you would be on the lookout for the Joker