It actually really wouldn't be that big of a deal. You're rewriting history.
I have evidence. Why do you think I've been saying that if I was killed, I'd just be proven more right?
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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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It actually really wouldn't be that big of a deal. You're rewriting history.
I have evidence. Why do you think I've been saying that if I was killed, I'd just be proven more right?
"Rewriting history" You wanted off this vote so bad it hurts:
And I cut a few posts here and there just to limit space. You were obnoxious with how bad you wanted Launch to just say you could get off the roller coaster.
Cool, I'm sure it'll tie in neatly with that Ace claim you have going.
I'm not allowed to ask questions about what I'm getting myself into? For my sake, and the sake of the future discussion on that?
You have some nerve calling me obnoxious
The flavor will be the least of your worries.
Xamtheking
Member
Hey Karkador
Can you please just like
Be somewhat helpful
Can you please just like
Be somewhat helpful
Sure, those questions were there, mixed in with the "can I switch with Absolut please?" and "Launch, are you sure you want me on this? Are you sure? Please respond."
And it's ok, I have a hunch at what your "evidence" is and that's cute if I'm right, but you're either walking into a fight you don't want over the flimsiest night 1 ever or scum had a decent plan that's failing before the first hurdle because you've been too busy scumming with your gambts.
Xamtheking
Member
It would be much better for scum to bestow the limerick curse on Sorian, which would help hide the scuminess while also having him keep his vote
There's no real evidence the limerick curse is even a real thing
Some truth at least, though a scum roleblocker wouldn't surprise me in the least. I will confirm that I was told my action failed at the beginning of day 2 and the only way it could have failed is by a direct roleblock, nothing else would have stopped it and because of its nature, Roy had to let me know that it didn't work. It's a shame if you are town because this is the same trap roleblockers always fall into, they think they got lucky and targeted scum night 1 when any number of things could have led actions failing early on.
Xamtheking
Member
I'm not in the habit of being trusting of someone who has spent the game toeing the line between townie with a heart of gold doing somewhat dastardly deeds in hopes of catching scum and malicious scum sabotaging us at every turn. This post is oddly descriptive of your entire play style.
But let's dig some more for all the sense here. How and why is Ace roleblocking people?
Xamtheking
Member
Karkador, I want to congratulate you early for managing to win Scum MVP as a Town-aligned player, that doesn't happen often
Right, thanks. Great to play with you, too.
weemadarthur
Member
If kark roleblocked Sorian night one with his skill,
Then neither would be able to do mafia kill.
But we had 1 dead
It can't be said
That this proves either is a bad guy still.
Then neither would be able to do mafia kill.
But we had 1 dead
It can't be said
That this proves either is a bad guy still.
Xamtheking
Member
Just because you can butt heads doesn't mean you need to
But listen here
You're an intelligent person
You can help us
Just don't give up
weemadarthur
Member
Now you are sounding like Fluxwave.
If isn't a good plan for a life save.
I've already shown
I'll vote you for on-
Ly refusing to play in our enclave.
Xamtheking
Member
I would rather this game not be remembered as the one where the Townies gave up
We need to trust each other, if only a little
We need to trust each other, if only a little
*Drip feeds a very low key character as their name claim*
*Drops the mic on two roleblocks that mean fuck all*
*Gets questioned on how the role they claimed makes any sense of being a roleblocker*
"No, I'm done playing now!"
Ok Kark.
You're making an assumption. Some mods allow scum to both do their PR and kill (I did in PW) and some don't. I'm going to guess they don't in this game since the role block was on me and I don't see any other way for the vote thing to miss unless Sky was killed by someone else that wasn't scum, scum missed their kill, and vote eraser targeted Sky but that would be quite the series of events and it's much more likely that vote eraser just did the kill night one because who gives a shit about a missing vote when there are still 95% of the players still alive.
Xamtheking
Member
Hey Karkador
If you're still even here
I'd like to bounce some theories off you
If you're still even here
I'd like to bounce some theories off you
weemadarthur
Member
It's true that assumptions were made by me
But it still doesn't prove either way you see.
You both could be town
We should settle down
And review whether evidence be or not be.
Xamtheking
Member
And on the topic of other things that won't happen, I would like it if Roy retroactively killed all scum and gave everyone a pony
weemadarthur
Member
weemadarthur 1307
trigger 1327
xamtheking 1493 (1640)
ty4on 1558 (1897)
tl21xx 1581
karu 1609
launchpadmcq 1746
xamtheking 1784 (1787)
xamtheking 1896
camjo-z 1911
On the people who joined in the lynching,
I started it early. Mazre was bitching
About having to play.
I thought it would sway
Him to have a few votes, but he was grinching.
Trigger waited briefly then voted with Wee
As he's done every vote up to day three,
Xam jumped on and off,
He didn't go soft.
His vote was on Mazre for our kill spree.
Then we have TL, Karu and Launchpad.
I suspect at least one of these is bad.
TL was our cop.
So two left to drop,
Between them I think karu is scum lad.
With camjo, he joined at the very end
To keep scum from being able to upend
Our plan. But his
Power probs is
A town one, so he is off my list at this bend.
Now xam makes a claim to be doctor but why
Has he been such a scummy looking guy?
Is he lying?
Are we decrying
A doc who's not dead? Or saying to someone else: Bye?
trigger 1327
xamtheking 1493 (1640)
ty4on 1558 (1897)
tl21xx 1581
karu 1609
launchpadmcq 1746
xamtheking 1784 (1787)
xamtheking 1896
camjo-z 1911
On the people who joined in the lynching,
I started it early. Mazre was bitching
About having to play.
I thought it would sway
Him to have a few votes, but he was grinching.
Trigger waited briefly then voted with Wee
As he's done every vote up to day three,
Xam jumped on and off,
He didn't go soft.
His vote was on Mazre for our kill spree.
Then we have TL, Karu and Launchpad.
I suspect at least one of these is bad.
TL was our cop.
So two left to drop,
Between them I think karu is scum lad.
With camjo, he joined at the very end
To keep scum from being able to upend
Our plan. But his
Power probs is
A town one, so he is off my list at this bend.
Now xam makes a claim to be doctor but why
Has he been such a scummy looking guy?
Is he lying?
Are we decrying
A doc who's not dead? Or saying to someone else: Bye?
sorian (0)
pop-o-matic 1934 (1993)
launchpadmcq (1)
ty4on 1990
ty4on (0)
launchpadmcq 1939 (2031)
coppanuva (1)
xamtheking 2030
el topo (1)
ty4on 1989 (1990)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (3)
launchpadmcq 2031
weemadarthur 2042
camjo-z 2050
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
8 votes are needed for majority!
launchpadmcq (1)
ty4on 1990
ty4on (0)
coppanuva (1)
xamtheking 2030
el topo (1)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (3)
launchpadmcq 2031
weemadarthur 2042
camjo-z 2050
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
8 votes are needed for majority!
I expected more when I woke up.
Anyway, yes, odds say that scum probably snuck into this vote somewhere. My personal suspicions are on Trigger, Xam, Ty4on, Karu, and Launch. That is obviously a large portion of the list so taking it a bit deeper. As scummy as Xam is, it's just so unlikely that there is no doctor type role. While there is no indication of a missed kill so far, that's not surprising with the large amount of players so I can't really think of realistically lynching Xam at this juncture. I still stand by what I thought yesterday in that Trigger seems to be acting like his town self to me so he is off my personal list. So, if we were just looking at the scummy portions of this vote list, it would be Ty4on, Karu, and Launch for me.
Anyway, yes, odds say that scum probably snuck into this vote somewhere. My personal suspicions are on Trigger, Xam, Ty4on, Karu, and Launch. That is obviously a large portion of the list so taking it a bit deeper. As scummy as Xam is, it's just so unlikely that there is no doctor type role. While there is no indication of a missed kill so far, that's not surprising with the large amount of players so I can't really think of realistically lynching Xam at this juncture. I still stand by what I thought yesterday in that Trigger seems to be acting like his town self to me so he is off my personal list. So, if we were just looking at the scummy portions of this vote list, it would be Ty4on, Karu, and Launch for me.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You're going to have to explain this. Did you know what was going to happen? How would having an additional vote help you "be in it and know something about how you got the result"?
So, you're implying there's a switcher here? I'm not sure why Sorian would target himself.
Also, Roy, you sneaky bastard. If I find out you've snuck in some Court of Owls shit in here...
Solomon Grundy, born on a Monday...
Kark has done it before. He's a masterful scum player when he's on town side.
You and me both.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
*Could also be, and it's much more likely that, it's Mad Hatter
Xamtheking
Member
Here is my thinking
We have an alliance right now
Launch, The Guy Who Didn't Read His Role Fully / Harvey Bullock the Vote Cop
El Topo, The Guy Who Also Didn't Read His Role Fully / Barbara Gordon the Mafia Disruptor
Sorian, The Guy Who Must Be Town Because If He's Scum We've Already Lost / Someone who can do something
Karkador, The Guy Who Beeps And Boops / Ace the Roleblocking Dog
Xamtheking, The Guy Who Still Claims Too Early / Dick Grayson the Doctor
I think all of the players above are telling the truth
Could I be wrong? Certainly, but I'm not going to stand idly by as Town cannibalizes itself
We have an alliance right now
Launch, The Guy Who Didn't Read His Role Fully / Harvey Bullock the Vote Cop
El Topo, The Guy Who Also Didn't Read His Role Fully / Barbara Gordon the Mafia Disruptor
Sorian, The Guy Who Must Be Town Because If He's Scum We've Already Lost / Someone who can do something
Karkador, The Guy Who Beeps And Boops / Ace the Roleblocking Dog
Xamtheking, The Guy Who Still Claims Too Early / Dick Grayson the Doctor
I think all of the players above are telling the truth
Could I be wrong? Certainly, but I'm not going to stand idly by as Town cannibalizes itself
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yo. I said I missed one line. I realized it before the day even started. Again, I only mentioned it for transparency. It didn't affect my action or the effectiveness of it.
I find it hard to believe that everyone on that list is town but why does the presence of a roleblocker and a doctor seem out of place to you?
No serial killer.
Hmm true, I keep expecting it but two nights in now and unless they have a hard on for trying to kill Kark (since Xam has been on him two nights) then there isn't any other nightly killer.
Possibly, it's either extremely lucky or something else because they have hit PRs 2/2 and both were unclaimed/un-hinted at as far as I could tell. A power wouldn't explain Sky though since that was their N1 kill and unless the power was "Roy, kill a PR for us" then they would have been just about as in the dark as the rest of us were.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Mafia usually have at least one kind of information-gathering role. That's been my experience.
Doing just a base level view and from memory, no it doesn't really look like anyone changed output on reads lists or not from day 1 to day 2. Looking at your votes from day 1, it's a lot of sheep in all honesty and fallout from that stupid scramble that Kark did at day end with tying the vote. weemad is the only one to vote for you with your issue on reads being the reason and she definitely posted reads, both in and out of the form of lists, yesterday. Looking at just who voted for you doesn't catch everyone though, it doesn't look like I put a vote on you, for example, but I know that your anti-reads list spiel sounded like shit and I called you on it but I also put my reads out a few times yesterday.
Well, we're running out of information gathering unless Roy phoned it in and put the same role on each team. Role cop is dead and was town-aligned. You are claiming basically a group alignment cop but that wouldn't be a useful scum ability anyway since that would only help them find neutrals. So, all that would leave is a PR yes/no cop which is possibly how they found TL21xx? I wouldn't say there has to be an information gathering role though. I think of election and how Ouro said he themed that scum team around being very offensive (they had a poisoner among other things which facilitated multiple double kill nights) and since then I always think of scum teams being themed. The only theme I see here though started today with this vote thing and limerick thing which just feels like Roy themed them to be annoying. They certainly aren't offensive though. All we've seen is one kill per night and while Xam wasn't top of there kill list, that might not mean much since their kills so far have been fairly "safe" individuals in that they were not people expected to be protected or watched. Sky, maybe, but TL21 was definitely out there.
I rambled a bit in that post. 5 is worst case scum scenario but I still expect 4. We have two powers showing, a vote eraser and an insanity type mechanic (in the form of limericks this time). That leaves two more scum and I'd think they'd have to have some stronger abilities to make up for the weaker ones that I'm seeing here. So yeah, a PR investigator is possible.
So, is a roleblocker for that matter, butthatsnoneofmybusiness.jpg
weemadarthur
Member
SkyOdin I'll grant you was a lucky hit
But saying unhinted? That's a bit
Disingenuous.
Being generous,
We had 3+ who noticed TL crumbing it.
Though not under open speculation
About the meaning of his declaration,
Regarding batman
There's just one clan
Doing paperwork. All at the police station.
We had 3+ people noticing TL's breadcrumb in retrospect, I thought his read of Topo was wrong but I didn't think of it as much more than that at the time. Obviously, no one really said anything so maybe other's read it that way but it just looked like a regular read to me. (This is also why reads lists are good, it allows cops to hide their results as I said day 1 Topo
)The second half of your post is lost on me though, I don't know what you are trying to say.
Xamtheking
Member
I think I know why TL died
This fits with the El Topo claim
So N1, Scum might have been able to figure out that Topo was a juicy target for investigation and instead of killing him, they might have put a watcher on him and seen TL visit Topo and check him out, and then Scum would have killed TL N2
This fits with the El Topo claim
So N1, Scum might have been able to figure out that Topo was a juicy target for investigation and instead of killing him, they might have put a watcher on him and seen TL visit Topo and check him out, and then Scum would have killed TL N2
I take it, he speaks in rhymes? If so, yes, but... that's not that hard to fabricate either?! Not saying, that's the case, probably not, but the existence of such a role is almost mandatory to fake it.
I think Launch speaks truth, either way, though - with not knowing how many Scum are in there (One at least, obv), it's a gamble for us to vote, either way and the benefit seems slim overall. Information is information is information, though - so there's that.
Now... about Kark...
I think as Scum he might have gotten cold feet as it became apparent Launch doesn't to give it all (his reasoning was sound in my estimation, which is why I'm inclined to believe him) and wanted him specifically on his list and thus Sorian might have a case.
Is he Town, though, him questioning Launch like that is nothing more than imperative. At that point Launch's wonky claim came "out of nowhere" and you don't want to follow such a set-up blindly - one scum did, though. Besides Kark the other Votes were quite confident going along with the plan, which is the one thing that takes me back a bit.
Where do I lean? Yet to be decided.
This is fair, I was just thinking direct investigators but there is nothing stopping scum from having a watcher or tracker. The usual counter for that is a sleepwalker though (not asking for claims) and I've seen no one hint at or mention sleepwalking at all.
Keep in mind that Launch's vote doesn't necessarily have scum in it. It just has "non-town" which could mean a neutral as well.
weemadarthur
Member
I'm saying the breadcrumb was obviously Gordon.
Since March 25 I for one did afford him
The benefit of
The doubt. But for love
Of the town I kept quiet. TL needed more done
To save him from discovery by a
Really clever scum team player. Why a
Failure to get
The hint? You bet
I expected you to reach it, my my. A.
Xamtheking
Member
Weemad, can you give me a limerick of how much you hate Roy for indirectly imposing this restriction on you
weemadarthur
Member
I'm saving up gifs to express my feeling
Regarding this role and its unappealing-
Ness. They are all
Robin Hood y'all.
If I ghost I'll be trolling, the thread will be reeling.