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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
- Thread starter roytheone
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Wasn't Launch already voting for Kark before he dropped out?
Yuuup.
Alright so I'm replacing Kark.
So firstly I assumed I could have done without any temporarily pauses since I haven't been keeping up with Batman ( I usually avoid mid-season games). But after that whole Kark vs. Sorian...that was a bit too much for me and I was stuck at like page 20 when the huge ass wall fo text of doom appeared so i asked roy for a temporary pause because its a bit too much.
So now here I am at least read enough to understand the situation.
Personally Kark wasn't in the wrong for those of you people believing he should be lynched or I guess in this case if "I" should be lynched. I still believe that Sorian himself is a scummy from reading through some of these walls of texts which I will not quote due to...too much materials.
I will also agree that Sorian was a bit overly defensive when Kark was focusing down on Sorian to see some reaction. Apparently it was some huge reaction to the point that it spanned like 10pages+ of lots and lots of walls of text.
VOTE: Sorian
please i'm a dog get it right...
So firstly I assumed I could have done without any temporarily pauses since I haven't been keeping up with Batman ( I usually avoid mid-season games). But after that whole Kark vs. Sorian...that was a bit too much for me and I was stuck at like page 20 when the huge ass wall fo text of doom appeared so i asked roy for a temporary pause because its a bit too much.
So now here I am at least read enough to understand the situation.
Personally Kark wasn't in the wrong for those of you people believing he should be lynched or I guess in this case if "I" should be lynched. I still believe that Sorian himself is a scummy from reading through some of these walls of texts which I will not quote due to...too much materials.
I will also agree that Sorian was a bit overly defensive when Kark was focusing down on Sorian to see some reaction. Apparently it was some huge reaction to the point that it spanned like 10pages+ of lots and lots of walls of text.
VOTE: Sorian
please i'm a dog get it right...
A bit of an exaggeration, I think, since I don't think any back and forth Kark and I had went for 10+ pages but also, a bit moot since the thing we argued the most wasn't even my guilt. It was his insistence that the overrider in the game was somehow scum. At this point, I'm just convinced that was his attempt to get a probable town member lynched which would help later in mylo/lylo situations but still semi-mission accomplished because we sat at the topic for so long that no one is really giving Camjo the assumed pass that most mayors/governors get.
Past that I see you are still going with the Ace the Bat Hound angle that is somehow a roleblocker? Are you planning to tell us how that makes any sense flavor-wise because your predecessor decided to ignore the question and drop out instead.
I don't see how gryvan getting some extra time is indication of anything regarding his alignment. That said, I stay by my previous posts; Kark was suspicious as hell and seeing gryvan not backpedalling regarding Kark's previous statements makes me think he's more likely to be a replacement for a scum player whose games he's now forced to follow, even voting for Sorian.
Vote: gryvan
However, I admit I have my doubts about if scum Kark would have quit the game like he did. I hate to meta-game, but if Kark had been scum, I would have expected him to get mod-killed. I hate to mention it, but it's very difficult and frustrating to play the game in a "non-meta" way that conflicts with my actual thoughts on the matter, which I'm having trouble reconciling, but there it is. I believe my vote is in a decent spot barring those reservations.
Again, I'm ok with lynching pretty much anyone on the list of 4 Launch gave us, plus maybe Karu, but I'm hopeful about the list actually giving us good odds to catch scum.
Vote: gryvan
However, I admit I have my doubts about if scum Kark would have quit the game like he did. I hate to meta-game, but if Kark had been scum, I would have expected him to get mod-killed. I hate to mention it, but it's very difficult and frustrating to play the game in a "non-meta" way that conflicts with my actual thoughts on the matter, which I'm having trouble reconciling, but there it is. I believe my vote is in a decent spot barring those reservations.
Again, I'm ok with lynching pretty much anyone on the list of 4 Launch gave us, plus maybe Karu, but I'm hopeful about the list actually giving us good odds to catch scum.
I would think the opposite, I would bend over backwards as a mod to try and not kill a scum member if there was any chance that they were going to get suspicion off of themselves. But, we are also at day 3 with no scum or neutral lynched, this is kind of a crux moment for the game as a whole and losing a player from either side could tip the balance and that would be unfair for everyone if that death came because of a modkill due to dropping out. So, this argument is 2 meta 4 me but I think even the meta tells us nothing, a responsible mod basically had to find a replacement regardless of alignment (except a neutral I guess).
Never forget heist scum, someone subbed in during the night phase and scum killed said replacement before they even got a chance to talk in the thread lol
I amnot backpedaling Kark because
a) I am definitely sure I am town myself
b) trying to at least understand the big situation even though I'm currently in the middle of getting lynched...
And if your not sure why Ace is a roleblocker...I mean I am a dog...so...
That is a weak explanation. Of course you say you're town, and I can't really pity you for having to catch up on the game over my frustration for Kark's retreat.
We're not sure why Ace is a roleblocker because neither you or Kark have bothered telling us. Give us the flavor, feel free to rephrase it to avoid directly quoting.
VOTE: gryvan
Xamtheking
Member
Sorian
Are you really going with the "this role doesn't make sense for this character because it doesn't fit the flavor" argument?
Really?
Are you really going with the "this role doesn't make sense for this character because it doesn't fit the flavor" argument?
Really?
why am i not surprised that a dick grayson doctor is making this argument
No, I'm going with the "it's odd that no one is even willing to give the flavor when we ask and it smells like they can't think of a good answer."
It can sit on the top of the pile of inciting WIFOM all over the thread, trying to tie the day 1 vote, trying to get us to lynch the verified overrider, trying to throw shade at the apparent investigation target of our one confirmed cop role. I could probably think of more to add to that list but those all came to mind instantly. It's all been play to distract and re-direct and at this point, I would much rather hit the source of all of this misdirection so if (when imo) he flips scum, we can start working on figuring what he was distracting away from.
Also, using this post to jump from, I don't care about your flavor Xam because it is highly unlikely that scum has a doctor. So your claim can sit on it's own waiting for a counter or not. There is nothing that ties a roleblocker to town exclusively, we've even had plenty of games where there were two roleblockers in the game, one town-sided and one scum-sided so yeah, this all looks like a scum roleblocker trying to tie their power to a fake claim.
weemadarthur
Member
A start has been made on my request
But please note: your target is not my behest.
Vote as you will.
Be careful still.
If you don't want a turbo, count votes, don't just guess.
Unvote
Do you genuinely think Kark is scum though? I've never played a game where scum were this abrasive. Even Blarg tried to find common ground.
Xamtheking
Member
it can't be that bad
well look at the image and then figure it out why the flavor text sounds terrible and not fit with this particular game...
You're so cute they're distracted?
Xamtheking
Member
fam
go for it
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Is that puppy in an oven?
Is this what we are doing now, feeding flavor for a bailout? lol
>_> Launch, I'm pretty sure it's a dog in a wall vent/grate.
is this from the role pm?
Xamtheking
Member
Ah my favorite song
How Much Is That Puppy In The Oven
How Much Is That Puppy In The Oven
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I was actually being serious. That's what it looks like. lol
But yeah, cage makes more sense. Is he trying to say he cages people?
Day 3 votes
sorian (1)
pop-o-matic 1934 (1993)
gryvan 2205
launchpadmcq (0)
ty4on 1990 (2178)
ty4on (0)
launchpadmcq 1939 (2031)
coppanuva (2)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
el topo (1)
ty4on 1989 (1990)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (0)
launchpadmcq 2031 (2169)
weemadarthur 2042 (2218)
camjo-z 2050 (2213)
gryvan (3)
launchpadmcq 2197
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
8 votes are needed for majority!
sorian (1)
gryvan 2205
launchpadmcq (0)
ty4on (0)
coppanuva (2)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
el topo (1)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (0)
gryvan (3)
launchpadmcq 2197
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
8 votes are needed for majority!
So, we have over 24 hours left and I want to get some discussion in because while I'm pretty sold on my own vote, I don't want to lose all of this discussion time so I'm going to re-quote this again since it got derailed instantly with Kark's departure:
So, again, I put it out all to you, what do you think of current claims that are out and who are your top town and scum at this time? Give us something to analyze in the coming days. I think Fireblend was the only one who gave an exhaustive analysis of everything and answered my top town/scum question. Others have picked and chose and there was some rumblings from Ty4on and Camjo on specific people right before we went on pause but now let's pick up where we left off.
So, again, I put it out all to you, what do you think of current claims that are out and who are your top town and scum at this time? Give us something to analyze in the coming days. I think Fireblend was the only one who gave an exhaustive analysis of everything and answered my top town/scum question. Others have picked and chose and there was some rumblings from Ty4on and Camjo on specific people right before we went on pause but now let's pick up where we left off.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Frankly, Sorian, nothing new has happened that's made me change my way of thinking.
Kark's claim is weird. If he's Ace, why would putting people in cages make sense? I know I'm trying to make flavor fit the role, but it seems kind of odd. Other than that, I don't think this role is restricted to town, as others have said, and Kark's behavior overall has been suspect - not wanting to be in on the Camjo vote, calling in Ty4on. He's on my investigation list, too. So, yeah, I think Kark/gryven is the vote I'm sticking to.
I believe Xam's claim, as well. Doctor is the riskiest claim to make, because it's a common role. I also think that TL cleared El Topo.
Sorian's claim is the one that isn't meshing with me. I'm not sure what he's intending to do, and his character was a villain at one point, as well.
For right now, because I know my list is legit:
Top Scum: gryven, AB, Coppa, Ty4on, Sorian
Top Town: El Topo, Camjo, Xam
Kark's claim is weird. If he's Ace, why would putting people in cages make sense? I know I'm trying to make flavor fit the role, but it seems kind of odd. Other than that, I don't think this role is restricted to town, as others have said, and Kark's behavior overall has been suspect - not wanting to be in on the Camjo vote, calling in Ty4on. He's on my investigation list, too. So, yeah, I think Kark/gryven is the vote I'm sticking to.
I believe Xam's claim, as well. Doctor is the riskiest claim to make, because it's a common role. I also think that TL cleared El Topo.
Sorian's claim is the one that isn't meshing with me. I'm not sure what he's intending to do, and his character was a villain at one point, as well.
For right now, because I know my list is legit:
Top Scum: gryven, AB, Coppa, Ty4on, Sorian
Top Town: El Topo, Camjo, Xam
AbsolutBro
Member
In Gryvan's defense (or rather Retro's I guess), when I subbed for Flux I was given the option of waiting until the next day phase (which was in ~8 hours IIRC).
Kark admitted having powers in play, which Gryvan would need time to get caught up with.
I not trying to make any claims one way or the other about Karkvan's alignment, but it is probably not really fair to read too much into the game pause.
All that said, of Coppa, Kark and Ty4on, Karkvan was the likeliest to get my vote if we wanted to pull from your list.
Seeing Launch's list made me realize something that I didn't say about my top town and top scum list. I'm pretty much 99% that Topo and Camjo are town. I'm not even putting them in my actual reads because I'm just straight removing them from my equation of who is good and who is bad.
AbsolutBro
Member
That should be Roy's defense, not Retro. Stupid mobile.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't take them out because I don't see anyone else that should be in my top town list lol
That's fine, I wasn't correcting your list in any way, just pre-empting the obvious question I would have asked if I saw someone else putting two randoms in top town but not saying anything about Topo and Camjo.
I don't have any that I find super townie. I used to think that about Fire, but a lot of his posts are big summaries which makes him feel a bit detached. Don't have much of a scum read on him either though.
Launch for the most part seemed genuine and I it would be wired for scum to orchestrate something like that.
Kark has arguably been the most visible player in this game and his frustrations feel genuine. If he is scum he has been really risky and he kept at it not backing down.
Sorian has also been visible, but not as aggressive maybe as Kark and his claim could easily be from a scum/neutral who doesn't have a good enough fake claim.
El Topo and Xam are for the most part nulls, but they seem to be confirmed.
My vote is in Coppa because he hasn't stood out much and he is a good enough player to know that scum should always split their votes. I have no problem imagining him voting Camjo unprompted because of that. His motivations for voting Camjo also seem very vague as if he is hiding something.
Launch for the most part seemed genuine and I it would be wired for scum to orchestrate something like that.
Kark has arguably been the most visible player in this game and his frustrations feel genuine. If he is scum he has been really risky and he kept at it not backing down.
Sorian has also been visible, but not as aggressive maybe as Kark and his claim could easily be from a scum/neutral who doesn't have a good enough fake claim.
El Topo and Xam are for the most part nulls, but they seem to be confirmed.
My vote is in Coppa because he hasn't stood out much and he is a good enough player to know that scum should always split their votes. I have no problem imagining him voting Camjo unprompted because of that. His motivations for voting Camjo also seem very vague as if he is hiding something.
weemadarthur
Member
My top town reads begin with topo and camjo.
Partly because roles back up their mojo.
They also seem hero-y
For questioning me.
Scum know I'm not one. The rest aren't in the know.
Sorian reposted his argument from earlier.
Fireblend also made good points on outliers.
I reviewed Karkador
And Gryvan, but I'm sure
That kark has been bad, so set him on fire.
Vote: Gryvan
Gryvan has not done anything yet
That changes my attitude. It's a safe bet
That roleblock is evil.
After removal
We still need more mafia to target.
While Sorian and Fireblend SEEM town,
I'm waiting to see how it goes down
At end of the day.
If they've made me sway
To voting town, I'll give up on thinking, the rest of the round.
For those who seem mafia based on today,
Im sticking with Karu, who barely has played.
Also suspicious
For more than that list shiz,
Are coppa and trigger, to look at, the next day.
Partly because roles back up their mojo.
They also seem hero-y
For questioning me.
Scum know I'm not one. The rest aren't in the know.
Sorian reposted his argument from earlier.
Fireblend also made good points on outliers.
I reviewed Karkador
And Gryvan, but I'm sure
That kark has been bad, so set him on fire.
Vote: Gryvan
Gryvan has not done anything yet
That changes my attitude. It's a safe bet
That roleblock is evil.
After removal
We still need more mafia to target.
While Sorian and Fireblend SEEM town,
I'm waiting to see how it goes down
At end of the day.
If they've made me sway
To voting town, I'll give up on thinking, the rest of the round.
For those who seem mafia based on today,
Im sticking with Karu, who barely has played.
Also suspicious
For more than that list shiz,
Are coppa and trigger, to look at, the next day.
I don't care what good Kark has done
Or how he all of a sudden made a run
What makes him scum?
I agree some things were dumb,
but we're talking of someone fake claiming cop for fun
Wiktionary has some great rhyme tables BTW. Look up any word and there will be a link to every word rhyming with it like this one for "-eim" as in same.
You were much better suited for getting targeted by Karu in NV than I was lol
Anyway, to the bolded, how long do we let someone slide on that? Yes, his gambits are there and in your face, that's his play style. He isn't going to just suddenly stop doing that when he is scum just like I'm not likely to just stop posting a lot when I end up being scum. The rest of that post was a question to weemad and I already answered it for myself anyway so I just wanted to point at that.
weemadarthur
Member
Cop? Huh? Karkador claimed roleblock. He hinted
At batman and ordinary. But he stinted
To thoroughly
Claim either theory.
His bad vote record day one glinted
Like an evil gem. He made arguments
That are nonsensical and dense.
His soft claims were bait
Which batman didn't take.
His claim to be bat hound is clearly pretense.
Before you get excited at the bolded, he fake claimed cop in love boat which is what Ty4on is most likely referring too. He was town and making a dumb maneuver.
I would have done way worse in NV. Almost all of the music I listen to either lack, has very little or only has foreign language lyrics. I certainly don't listen to music about how scummy or townie someone is
I totally agree that he wouldn't stop posting gambits of he turned scum. I do find his stubbornness yesterday when you argued on whether or not Camjo was confirmed town very weird for a scum to be in though. Sure, it ended up making Launch suspicious of you, but I'm used to scum rarely getting into fights like that unless they have to. Why would he care so much about it as scum? Maybe if they have a Joker on their team that they really want to keep alive.
There isn't any scum Kark to compare him to, but I don't see a big shift from town Kark.
Wanting to protect Joker is a possibility but that was also an off-hand theory straight from Launch who has loved analyzing flavor this whole game because of his comic book love. More likely, from my perspective, is scum is running into an issue (it was less so yesterday but has magnified a bit today), a lot of "verified" town is coming into focus. We have Topo who was cleared by a cop. We have Camjo who proved himself with his ability. Taking it a step further, we have weemad who looks like she was targeted by Mad Hatter and myself looking like I was a target of Joker. Fire and weemad have barely faced any scrutiny the whole game. So, on the whole, there is just the two, Camjo and Topo, who you can probably just say are pretty much town but there are these other names that are just harder to investigate and, if they are town, harder for scum to paint an ugly picture of.
The point is I think Kark was trying to pre-empt this with Camjo yesterday and get a verified townie out of the way. Inconsistency is scum's greatest weakness because they are usually making arguments that they know are wrong and they have to stick to that story while still having proper revelations when it would make sense. Camjo played his ability terribly and that is easy to paint in a bad light. Kark went for it and it worked to a degree. Of course, he kept pushing it even when it didn't seem like anything would come of it because scum has to stay consistent. Nothing happened that would suddenly make someone change their mind on Camjo, you've basically been for or against Camjo ever since that override on day 1. So Kark pushed, that's how he plays, it's similar to me, he pushed his point because town Kark would push his point. Town Kark would have complete faith in what he was saying. We don't have any scum Kark to compare to but we know that Kark is a good player, he knows what he is doing.
I don't envy gryvan. Having to defend yourself from accusations when all of the accusations have nothing to do with you sounds miserable.
Xamtheking
Member
Here's a technically legal limerick
10 10 10 10 10
10 10 10 10 10
9 9 9 9 9
9 9 9 9 9
10 10 10 10 10
10 10 10 10 10
10 10 10 10 10
9 9 9 9 9
9 9 9 9 9
10 10 10 10 10
I think my top scum are:
Ty4on- Hasn't said anything outright suspicious, but he's been somewhat on the outside of conversations in a way that I expect scum to play today.
Karkyvan- The weird behavior doesn't quite gel with his role claim. He was pretty defensive after his gambit fizzled out as well.
AbsolutBroBWaveZ- Flux wasn't making the greatest impression as a townie even if AB's been more contributive.
Top Town
Xam- For reasons already stated by others.
Weem- General posting style and participation has been very helpful to town. I don't think that scum would target each other with a limerick curse either, but I suppose that could be faked.
Still on the fence about Sorian and Coppa. I don't think that both Sorian and Kark are the same alignment. The back and forth felt a little too involved to be fake.