Fake Edit: I just refreshed and saw Roy's post, I'm still posting this because I just wrote it all out but that is obnoxious.
About the rest... ugh. I don't know how I feel about all claims so far and it's gonna need some more thinking. I agree it's likely TL checked on El Topo, but other than that I feel like asking ourselves whether we find it likely that all of the claimed roles are true or not is a sort of trap - we have to analyze them in a one-by-one basis. As I said I'm super busy today so I'm unable to truly get into this until 5 hours from now or something.
Reading this part of Fire's post has me thinking more (still trying to tease discussion out of this thread when I can but it's hard to get much)
Out of the claims we have right now, Topo as chat bomb, Launch as group investigator, Xam as doctor, and Kark as roleblocker (you can add me in as well to your own personal lists), what claims do you believe, what claims do you think are false?
I believe Topo 100%, if he somehow faked his investigation then that may lead to some fuckery later but right now, we need to take what we can get until we actually hit a scum and can start piecing together the puzzle.
I am also believing Xam's claim wholesale. A doctor claim is ballsy to make, especially on day 2. If he were lying, he'd have to luck out that there isn't actually a doctor in the game because a counter claim or flipped doctor would sink Xam right away.
Kark is telling the truth, a partial one at least, I was definitely roleblocked N1 and he knew it. That means he is either the roleblocker or he is in communication with the roleblocker. So to me, this claim is 100% truth, even more so than the Topo investigation. My obvious issue is that a roleblocker is just as much a scum role as it is a town role.
Launch is the messier one and the one that I'm not sure I can swallow. I want to and I kind of have been because I've been looking at his list a lot in trying to figure out who might be the scum/neutral but there is just no way to know now. The same thing I said yesterday with Topo but I was secretly hoping an investigation would come through (which it did) but I don't think I can expect that anymore with Launch and to take his claim wholesale would lead down the dangerous path of setting up chain lynches until we find what we are looking for. I'm not on board with that at all.
Which brings me to the second part of this, let's play top town and top scum again.
Sadly, TL21xx's flip didn't do much for me (nor did Mazre's) because I already wasn't scum reading Topo and nothing I was looking at really hinged on Mazre.
So there is a lot of the same, I'm still town reading Fire and weemad and I'm still scum reading Karu and Coppa. Oddly, if Launch is telling the truth that bumps Coppa a bit towards town for me which I detailed earlier in this day phase. Kark is taking the express lane on that list now. He was pardoned from full scum status for me yesterday because he was playing coy with a possible big PR claim but now that he has showed his hand, there are too many inconsistencies in his play from the very beginning that I don't want to ignore anymore. I'm also adding Absolut back to my list. I rumbled a bit about him again but I don't like this chain of posts from Kark:
Sorian, you seemed pretty intent on FluxWave (now going by the name AbsolutBro) - to the point of leaving your relatively early vote on him D1, despite the large upheaval at the end. Why isn't that player your primary focus now?
The facts are this: the vote count says you were the second to vote on Flux. The upheaval was people switching votes around between the two. You stayed put. If that wasn't you being careful not to do something foolish (and let me remind you that Town is blissfully foolish in these games), then it seems like you were convinced Flux WAS bad. What happened to that conviction? Especially with a relatively inactive Flux on D2. What changed?
There are two way to take these posts but they both are meant to incite the same reaction from me. "Look at Flux/Absolut instead of what you are doing now" If Kark is scum, it seems like an effort to start swinging momentum towards a scapegoat, probably town, and if Kark is town, then it's an honest attempt at getting me to look at the case I was interested in during day 1 and part of day 2 (also, probably an attempt to read me before his big claim).
So in no particular order: Town: Fireblend, weemad
Scum: Karu, Coppa, (Kark OR Absolut)
