Trigger claimed a one shot immunity though. Seems a bit excessive.
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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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Trigger claimed a one shot immunity though. Seems a bit excessive.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok guys, I think we should take Sorian off the table for right now. If he's scum, that's great, but he'll be here next day phase. We can lynch him then. It's possible that if we don't hit a scum/neutral this phase, we're at game over.
We need to go after one of the two on the list, bottom line. I know trusting it is a leap of faith, but we don't have much of a choice. Up until now, I've been content to let this be something we discuss in passing or not let direct our judgement so as to get reads from people reacting to it (and my different "revelations"), but the list is legit, and one of Coppa or Ty4on is scum/neutral... hell, maybe both. But we can't just go outside of the list when scum has done us the favor of giving us a 50/50 chance at saving ourselves.
So, I'd like to line up the cases against Ty4on and Coppa.
Coppa:
-Has a night action. Claims it's sleepwalker, which is an 'odd' claim. One would suspect that Strange has a power in addition to just keeping Batman alive, but that's just conjecture. Did he claim a role name to go along with the role ability?
-Not playing ball.
-Ty4on could have turbo'd the vote on Sorian if he were Strange and if Trigger's claim were 100% true.
Ty4on:
-Suddenly decided to go after Coppa when Trigger claimed Batman.
-Claimed ordinary, easy claim.
Anything else worth considering?
The case seems pretty heavily stacked against Coppa at this point. If he would talk more, then we'd have more to go on, but maybe that's the point.
We need to go after one of the two on the list, bottom line. I know trusting it is a leap of faith, but we don't have much of a choice. Up until now, I've been content to let this be something we discuss in passing or not let direct our judgement so as to get reads from people reacting to it (and my different "revelations"), but the list is legit, and one of Coppa or Ty4on is scum/neutral... hell, maybe both. But we can't just go outside of the list when scum has done us the favor of giving us a 50/50 chance at saving ourselves.
So, I'd like to line up the cases against Ty4on and Coppa.
Coppa:
-Has a night action. Claims it's sleepwalker, which is an 'odd' claim. One would suspect that Strange has a power in addition to just keeping Batman alive, but that's just conjecture. Did he claim a role name to go along with the role ability?
-Not playing ball.
-Ty4on could have turbo'd the vote on Sorian if he were Strange and if Trigger's claim were 100% true.
Ty4on:
-Suddenly decided to go after Coppa when Trigger claimed Batman.
-Claimed ordinary, easy claim.
Anything else worth considering?
The case seems pretty heavily stacked against Coppa at this point. If he would talk more, then we'd have more to go on, but maybe that's the point.
What does me being blocked have to do with anyone else being cleared? Am I missing something?
My thoughts exactly. This win condition would be brain dead if Strange was a doctor and could just protect Trigger each night.
It's so nice that you've finally woken up. Anyway, no, the evidence is very much stacked against Coppa. The worst that I've seen from Ty4on is that he waited until after Trigger said he would die before claiming ordinary meaning that no one would be able to counter him (unless there is a watcher around too but doubtful)
Just reduces the chance. If you and wee are scum chances are one of you performed the kill, but neither of you two could have done it that night if Trigger is telling the truth. There is also the assumption that scum investigated TL21xx directly or indirectly with a second PR.
Xamtheking
Member
Ok now you straight up aren't making any sense
I WAS CALLING TRIGGER SCUM EARLIER TODAY
WHY ON EARTH WOULD I DO THAT IF I NEEDED TO KEEP TRIGGER ALIVE
It was almost a breadcrumb given nobody saw it and I can see vanilla not excactly == ordinary, but this was before Trigger posted today:
Xamtheking
Member
You might actually be my new favorite person besides Sorian
Xamtheking
Member
Then vote for him
Xamtheking
Member
Now all we need is Launch to vote and then we can think about potentially hammering
Maaaaaaaayyyybbbeee
Big maybe
"Hey guys, you think we should lynch that guy that is almost 100% certain scum?"
"Nah, we should lynch the inactive guy who claimed sleepwalker."
"Sure."
On the other hand, Coppa's almost complete inactivity today, including a pre-emptive explanation for that, is very convenient.
"Nah, we should lynch the inactive guy who claimed sleepwalker."
"Sure."
On the other hand, Coppa's almost complete inactivity today, including a pre-emptive explanation for that, is very convenient.
That's that then, if you are the "non-town" on Launch's vote then gg, I wouldn't even be considering you in the least if Launch's list wasn't around and even with it, Coppa is the clear choice.
Xamtheking
Member
He also hasn't really been here that much this entire game
Scum chat is probably not a fun place to be right now
Xamtheking
Member
Also hey guys
What do you think of CornB suggesting I might be Hugo Strange
That would be weird if I was Strange, considering for a good portion of this day I had Trigger as scum
I wonder why CornB might have said this
Might CornB even be... scum?
OR EVEN
STRANGE HIMSELF?!?!?!?!?!
DUN DUN DUN
What do you think of CornB suggesting I might be Hugo Strange
That would be weird if I was Strange, considering for a good portion of this day I had Trigger as scum
I wonder why CornB might have said this
Might CornB even be... scum?
OR EVEN
STRANGE HIMSELF?!?!?!?!?!
DUN DUN DUN
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
VOTE: Coppanuva
I will never forgive you if you're Strange, Ty4on.
I will never forgive you if you're Strange, Ty4on.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I also don't want to see any amnesia next phase. Sorian should be priority #1 if Coppa is Strange or scum.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Or really just regardless of what Coppa is. Sorian is likely scum.
Xamtheking
Member
I'll probably be dead tomorrow
So I won't have amnesia
I do think he is Strange so I won't be surprised if he dances off into the sunset tonight with the easiest game ever played but I'm not seeing it as scum. No night action and I feel like scum wouldn't bother trying to lynch you, they obviously don't care about killing you at night either.
Sure, we can dance on this tomorrow, at least we'll hopefully have lynched one scum at that point, I'll feel less horrible about losing.
I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever scum in a game with you. I can just go afk during lylo/mylo and you'll ignore me because I'm not there to defend myself.
CornBurrito
Member
Forgot about that. My bad.
Day 4 votes
coppanuva (5)
sorian 2388
xamtheking 2394 (2567)
fireblend 2450 (2608)
karu 2503
ty4on 2735 (2956)
xamtheking 2749
fireblend 2961
launchpadmcq 2967
sorian (5)
camjo-z 2420 (2765)
weemadarthur 2423 (2493)
coppanuva 2433
cornburrito 2477
el topo 2547
weemadarthur 2561
launchpadmcq 2563 (2612)
launchpadmcq 2710 (2868)
camjo-z 2781
weemadarthur (0)
el topo 2448 (2547)
ty4on 2451 (2482)
ty4on 2674 (2735)
fireblend (0)
ty4on 2482 (2537)
ty4on (0)
launchpadmcq 2498 (2563)
xamtheking 2567 (2749)
fireblend 2608 (2961)
trigger (1)
ty4on 2537 (2674)
ty4on 2956
xamtheking (0)
trigger 2688 (2756)
7 votes are needed for majority!
coppanuva (5)
sorian 2388
karu 2503
xamtheking 2749
fireblend 2961
launchpadmcq 2967
sorian (5)
coppanuva 2433
cornburrito 2477
el topo 2547
weemadarthur 2561
camjo-z 2781
weemadarthur (0)
fireblend (0)
ty4on (0)
trigger (1)
ty4on 2956
xamtheking (0)
7 votes are needed for majority!
Finally back from my trip! Catching up on everything (I work most recent backwards).
Yup, fair enough. I was out away from my laptop but I tried to post as was able. I'm back for this morning though.
I've explained myself as best I can. I'm a sleepwalker, and that's that. I prefer to shoot for scum today, and I'm still voting Sorian. Ty4on's hesitation to go for me immediately iss worrying though. I'm just not sure he's scum.
I explained myself early on and really as a sleepwalker there's not much else you can say. Is there any specific thing you're looking for before you drive this misslynch home?
Yup, fair enough. I was out away from my laptop but I tried to post as was able. I'm back for this morning though.
I've explained myself as best I can. I'm a sleepwalker, and that's that. I prefer to shoot for scum today, and I'm still voting Sorian. Ty4on's hesitation to go for me immediately iss worrying though. I'm just not sure he's scum.
I explained myself early on and really as a sleepwalker there's not much else you can say. Is there any specific thing you're looking for before you drive this misslynch home?
1. Do you believe Launch's list?
2. If you believe Launch's list, Ty has to be scum or neutral. Are you saying you think he's a neutral?
Yeah, two things. How are you not sure if Ty4on is scum or not? If you are actually claiming to be innocent then you must know that Ty4on is a good lynch of some sort (unless you also don't trust Launch but I don't think that's been the case).
Also, you going to actually claim? I find it odd that you keep saying you are a sleep walker without giving a role name.
1) Yes.
2) I'm saying it's a distinct possibility, and that doubt is what prevents me from thinking he's our best vote. We win with scum dead, any neutrals are distractions and given that I've seen nothing to suggest the neutral directly harms us, I prefer to at least try to hit our win condition.
It's ridiculous to be pushing for a Coppa vote in general. The reasons for his lynch right now are "he maybe did something to Kark that had no visible effects" and "he claimed sleepwalker". Meanwhile Sorian supposedly should have been turbo'd as an easy town mislynch ages ago but shockingly is still alive! Wow it's almost like scum aren't going to bus their buddy but don't have the votes they need to hammer Coppa!!
A mislynch right now is probably a loss under Trigger's story. Regardless of trying to hit our win condition, you should KNOW that Ty4on isn't a mislynch. I don't buy it.
He also has avoided playing the game entirely, hasn't pushed anyone with votes the entire way through, has sheeped easy lynches. You also keep thinking that scum would hammer today if they had the chance and that is a stupid assumption. Also, why ask me a question if you aren't even going to respond?
Whoops, I forgot I asked you that. Don't stay up til 3 AM playing Ratchet & Clank kiddies, it messes with your mind.
Anyway, don't you think it's a bit weird that the people you consider to be the most likely scum candidates (Karu, Fireblend, and Ty4on) are/have been joining you on the Coppa vote?
Because there's a distinct possibility he's a neutral. Think of it from this perspective: if Ty is neutral, he doesn't know who all would have individually set off the alarm. There's no way for him to know my alignment, or that of anybody else in that list. Because of this, he might be hesitant to flip me until he can win for sure if he survives (I.e. today if his win condition is over as trigger said). Notice when he started pushing against me?
The problem is I don't believe going for a neutral benefits us more than trying a scum Lynch does.
As for the role I was waiting until I could actually answer questions about it so...
I'm Lucius Fox, an overworked employee with a tendency to walk in my sleep. The flavor reasoning is essentially that I work so many long hours that I routinely fall asleep at my desk and have to find my own way home.
By the way, I don't want to divert attention from the incoming lynch which is why I haven't addressed those comments directly, but I am worried about people scum-reading me. I'll deal with it if it ever becomes an actual risk, but since it could be argued in the future that I dodged the question today so I could avoid answering someone who's gonna get NK'd or something, if you guys have any questions for me, ask and I'll do my best to answer.
Perhaps I'm doing the math wrong but how does lynching the neutral who is going away at night anyhow actually prevent that?
Xamtheking
Member
There is an issue with the vote count right now, it is actually 6-5, but when Ty4on quoted himself on post #2956, the Vote Count Tool thought he voted, when he actually did not mean to change his vote
I am smart detective
I am smart detective
Not really, it's day 4 with no scum dead. A bussing wouldn't surprise me in the least. I also don't buy that scum would be hammering which I know is the crux of your whole argument. I wouldn't be trusting Trigger's story until I see it for myself and I definitely wouldn't be risking a game on it by hammering. For the most part, I'm ignoring a lot of the vote from today due to that possibility of bus, it's earlier day phase votes that matter more imo.
Notice when he started pushing you? Why, that seems to me like he is not a neutral if anything. If he were the neutral he knew he won today as long as he and Trigger survived so he should have been going for your neck right out of the gate. He didn't actually start going for you until after the neutral became public knowledge.
Also, I can somewhat believe Coppa's claim because it makes sense in terms of balance. Town has a bulletproof tracker, so there's downsides in the form of a timed death (Strange) and a misleading role (sleepwalker). If Launch is telling the truth about group investigation, the fact that he's not told exactly who the mafia are balances it out. With TL's role cop, he might read me as Robin even though I could later switch my role entirely, and I'd be surprised if mafia doesn't also have some trick like that to throw him off such as a Two-Face role showing up as a townsiding Harvey Dent.
However, I have yet to see why town would have a strong vig who seems designed solely to either get roleblocked, waste the power by hitting me/Catwoman, or kill the bulletproof Batman.
However, I have yet to see why town would have a strong vig who seems designed solely to either get roleblocked, waste the power by hitting me/Catwoman, or kill the bulletproof Batman.
Why would I waste the power by hitting you?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Remember that scum wins when there are an equal number of mafia vs town. If there are 4 scum, at the beginning of Day 5, assuming the mafia kill goes through, it's game over for town. If there are 3, then it'll be Day 6. We are very possibly in MyLo right now.
Because I won't die from it. Secondary ability, y'all.
Xamtheking
Member
Well, you would die, you would also come back
Oh, and also add "or bypass the town doc" to that list.
I thought you said I was fear mongering when I said this >_> Come on Launch lol
So you do know what your secondary ability is? Because you claimed "maybe bulletproof" when you first said it and strong kills sure as shit go right through bulletproof.
Xamtheking
Member
As the town doc I 100% believe that's a possibility
I'm leaning town on you after #1440. You don't interact much with Coppa, but that didn't look like two scum interacting to me.
My top scum read after Coppa is still Sorian. I don't really have a third. Karu has been really silent, but was also seen not moving. I agree Corn looks like he could be Strange, but it's too much of a shot in the dark to lynch him.
I'll be a bit busy the next few hours, but I'll try to keep up and get back before the deadline.
Xamtheking
Member
Hey fam just revote coppa, vote tool picked up the trigger vote on post #2956
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You were, but the possibility exists >_>