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Batman: The Killing Joke receives R rating
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Master Milk
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i wasn't disagreeing with you or anything. i appreciate the response because i honestly didn't know
for me though, i have a high tolerance for QUALITY and i'm certainly not going to bat an eye at something i decide to watch on a whim
Sho_Nuff82
Member
War and Flashpoint have an absurd amount of graphic violence. I guess that's how DC is distinguishing itself these days from Marvel.
That's fine. That's totally fine.
With something like TKJ though I expected a bit more care on this front.
Xux
Member
It's neat that they're adding more Barbara stuff so we feel for her when they show her get shot and sexually assaulted and then watch Batman and Joker have a moment after.
...Yeah, not too excited about this.
JaseMath
Member
So this. The video where they were defending it made me hate it even more.
ElBoxyBrown
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I think there adding more Barbara stuff so when the infamous scene happens she doesn't come off as a throwaway character. Personally I don't think it's gonna lessen the controversy. It is what it is.
If he blew a clean hole in his head, wouldn't he also hit the Flash? I mean Flash can dodge it pretty easily...but still
GuitarAtomik
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Why's that? Because that's what the film practically does to the original Bolland art.
More vid/gifs if you think I'm being unfair: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197136&highlight=killing+joke&page=5
Fucking ouch. How the hell did this happen?
Dark Ninja
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No nudity
I also think that comic pages, being still, static frames that lack life, animation, or motion, don't come across as violently as they do when filmed or animated.
Like, for the most part, I always think that Superman - as a mainstream incarnation - should be designed first and foremost for kids, yet written smart enough for adults. He's THE superhero of all superheroes, the ones even my 4 year old cousin pretends to be with a bedsheet.
But comics often are less "graphic" as static images. Animate any of these and you'd get a hard "R".
Doesn't mean I want that to be the "default" Superman... but every character has had really adult stories, with expertly drawn gore, done in comics (especially those good ol' edgy 90s versions...)
Yeah, the prequel thing? That's totally cool.
NipplesAndToes23
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I recently watched Flashpoint Paradox and it got pretty graphic at times. What's in the Killing Joke to get a R rating if Flashpoint didn't?
BATMAN should never do R rated stuff.
HIS VILLAINS on the other hand .... lets just hope they reduce the sexual assault subtext
Permanently A
Junior Member
The comic has like, sort of nudity, but nothing explicit is shown. Maybe they decided to show it explicitly
You know they won't. Hell, people still celebrate it to this day. :/
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Well they cut away so maybe just doing that makes it PG-13? When I first saw it, I was really expecting them to show it.
It's never outright stated, but the implications/subtext has always been there.
aussiedude08
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I think Bruce Timm said at comic con last year they were allowed to get an R rating if it was needed.
I think its going to shock people who have never read the book. depending on how far they went with the Love tunnel that could get an R rating alone.
But i cant wait to see what prequel stuff Timm came up with, i would guess it goes more into the Jokers origin and will establish Batgirl this time. and go into the history of Batman and the Joker more.
I hope the Blu-ray extras are good and has a commentary from Bruce Timm, Hamill and Conroy. and pick some good classic BTAS episodes. and a doco on the book.
I think its going to shock people who have never read the book. depending on how far they went with the Love tunnel that could get an R rating alone.
But i cant wait to see what prequel stuff Timm came up with, i would guess it goes more into the Jokers origin and will establish Batgirl this time. and go into the history of Batman and the Joker more.
I hope the Blu-ray extras are good and has a commentary from Bruce Timm, Hamill and Conroy. and pick some good classic BTAS episodes. and a doco on the book.
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Deleted member 80556
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Superman is a fucking psycho, god damn.
Well, two of those examples were Superboy Prime. The rest are just lazy writers making Superman kill because that's the only way they can understand him.
QuantumZebra
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What's "R rated stuff" really?
Swear, have sex and perform brutal acts of violence? Yeah, Batman can and has done all three.
It's not strongly implied. People read into that because of the nature of the imagery (Barbara stripped down) - but her nudity was functional for another reason: to drive Gordon insane.
That sequence drives the emotion of the books climax. Hearing about it doesn't have the same impact as seeing it. It's not supposed to be pleasant or easy.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
"we at DC Animation love this comic so much, we gave it to a hobo child with a copy of Windows Movie Maker to animate... We are sorry, we spent all of the budget on voice acting..."
Seriously, though...
Seriously, though...
Bobby Roberts
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You really think Gordon goes insane solely because of the imagery of his stripped daughter? Or because of what her nakedness in those photos implies?
Her being stripped at all suggests some sort of sexual aspect to her assault.
You don't think seeing your naked, bloodied paralyzed daughter is enough to drive you mad?
It's sexual by nature but it doesn't directly imply a rape occurred. There's no line of dialogue or specific bit of imagery that implies that - nor has there been in the thirty years of Oracle/Joker content since AFAIK.
Not surprising when you look at the source material as well. This is something a LOT of people don't know about.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Let me try to clarify: She wasn't stripped naked for nothing, and the mere fact she was stripped at all is meant to add an air of possible sexual assault to the mix. There's an implication that something was done to her, whether or not it was actually done. Hell, Joker likely knows this, and would possibly strip her solely to let Gordon think he did do something to her without ever actually doing it. Gaslighting someone into believing they sexually assaulted a loved one? That's some super-twisted shit. Definitely enough to possibly cause a person to snap, were such an implication made part of an involved, prolonged bout of mental torture.
I just want to make sure you understand what I'm getting at (and I think it's part of what Alan Moore himself doesn't like about the book so much anymore) - I don't have to say "Joker raped her!" in order to point out her being stripped naked is meant to invoke the spectre of sexual assault. Being naked is being made vulnerable. Why do you think Gordon's reaction is what it is? Because she's shot? Sure. Because she's paralyzed? Absolutely. But also because he knows his paralyzed, helpless daughter was stripped naked in a room with a crazy person in it.
He's probably going to make that leap, whether Joker actually did anything or not. And Joker probably knows that.
TheGoddamn
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It's the origin story of Oracle.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Spieler Eins
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Are these recent animated movies good films? I'm not interested in reading comics, but I like Batman when done well in other forms.
call_kotaku
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They've taken a dive in quality since Justice League: War and Son of Batman, but most of the stuff before that is pretty good if you haven't seen it.
NealMcCauley
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Interesting news, definitely gonna be keeping an eye out.
Art style honestly looks nice to me.
Art style honestly looks nice to me.
FlashbladeGAF
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They should have gotten one of the Gotham Knight studios on this if they wanted to really do it justice. It looks like the movie will only sparsely have art like that.
Superman killing is kind of the whole premise for Injustice. Not sure I'd call the writer lazy.
EdibleExplosives
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It's weird, I never picked up on the sexual assault stuff but it has been years since I last read it.
I'm so happy they are finally doing a Batman and Doug crossover.Why's that? Because that's what the film practically does to the original Bolland art.
More vid/gifs if you think I'm being unfair: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197136&highlight=killing+joke&page=5
The implication of sexual assault is only in the minds of the readers.
All we know is Joker shot Barbara Gordon and took pictures of her naked and bleeding on he floor.
Anything extra is entirely speculative.
Why's that? Because that's what the film practically does to the original Bolland art.
More vid/gifs if you think I'm being unfair: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197136&highlight=killing+joke&page=5
Expecting something faithful to Bolland's intricate art probably isn't feasible, given that the man himself has struggled to produce static artwork in a timely fashion over the years. There's no excuse for that thoroughly bland translation, though.
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