Theres 'you've been trumped' and its sequel
Plus a BBC doc tha aired a few years ago
BBC: Republican Establishment Getting the Trump
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Theres 'you've been trumped' and its sequel
Plus a BBC doc tha aired a few years ago
Bob Dole explicitly said pretty much exactly what this article is claiming. And if you feel like Dole no longer counts as being in the establishment since he is retired, Chuck Grassley just gave a speech at a Trump rally in Iowa.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/chuck-grassley-introduces-donald-trump-at-iowa-rally-218147
Interesting, Thanks. Looks like Trump got his first active politician endorsement?
I don't see a Dole quote in the article that even mentions Trump; how is that evidence that Dole supports backing him? Nobody is claiming the GOP isn't anti-Cruz; but taking an anti-Cruz quote as pro Trump is jumping to conclusions. The article says a lot more than merely "GOP doesn't want Cruz" so the Dole quote is nowhere near "exactly what the article is saying."
It's not a well written article; it's almost entirely the authors words with very little quoting and sourcing of his claims.
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The NYT article from a few days ago has better quotes from Dole:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...d-cruz-and-says-donald-trump-would-do-better/
The delegates are only required to vote for the candidate assigned to them from the primary for the first ballot of the nominating convention. Thus, if any candidate wins a strict majority of all delegates, they get the nomination.
After that first ballot they are free to vote for whomever they want.
I am skeptical that the establishment would want the delegates to reach down to the 2nd-place candidate (assuming that was Cruz) let alone the 3rd-place candidate unless the results were very close. That seems like it would run the risk of fracturing the Republicans and creating a true third party.
Even Paul Ryan has gone out his way to say fuck you to Cruz.
Dude must be utterly and totally unlikable.
Makes you think what stars aligned to get him elected in the firs place
I'm assuming that's not really possible with as many candidates as there are, correct?
I get the sense that they will have to deal with Trump, simply because nobody is going to screw him over in favor of Cruz.
davepoobond
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the thing about Trump is that the things that are unabashedly against the constitution won't be done -- it'll be hard to get Congress to agree to those sorts of things (hopefully) and we still have a court system. once you excise that from his platform, he's not as awful as Cruz is because Cruz uses the constitution to curb people's rights.
I would not go so far as to say impossible. No votes have been cast yet, and these races can take strange turns. We don't really know who will drop out early and where their support will go.
However odds are it will be harder to get a majority than in past years simply because an inordinate number of states are doing proportional allocation of delegates this cycle rather than winner-take-all.
Imagine if this man became president.
So what you're saying is that Trump is hiding his true appearance using the Force, and if he's electrocuted his disguise (and hair) will melt off, exposing his real face?
RPGCrazied
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The rallying around Trump is disgusting. I bet they think to themselves he will eventually implode, but he is still here topping the polls. Making the GOP look like lunatics. Every last one of them.
AstroNut325
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I'm voting Bernie in the primary and Hilary in the general, but if I had to pick a GOP candidate, it would be Trump. F*** the Neocons.
EatinOlives
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Party support isn't going to conjure up vast throngs of voters to offset all the moderate swing voters who'll vote against him. He's doing really well only among a group that votes conservative at the moment, in the general he simply does not have the support. Even when taking into account the so-called "secret shamed voter" demographic people think Trump is creating, that's still not enough to make up for nearly every single minority who will vote against him.
I'm 100% sure he'll lose the general.
It will be nice to reminisce on August and pre-August Trump threads. Nobody here believed Trump would get so far.
I wonder just how far Trump can really go.
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The issue is people not coming out to vote on the Dems side, and people rallying to go and vote on Trump's side.
This is about the establishment, not what people like. Trump presents himself as anti-establishment, but they know he'd work with the party to get things done, unlike Cruz who is a loner.
Thanks for the link; that's more interesting.
EatinOlives
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Democrat turnout is actually decent on presidential elections. The problem with turnout tends to be the midterm elections, which are just as important but they're not seen as "sexy".
I think there'll be a rally for Democrats considering how much of Trump's platform is straight up evil. I can easily see people going out just to vote against him, but I don't think the democrats will even need that.
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SenorArdilla
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Trump will probably lose, barring a terrorist attack or economic crash
Your graph's a little off.
Where did all of Trump's black support go?
This deserved more love.
ChosenPredator
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if the debate between Bernie and trump is anything like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRAonpLeQg I'm totally in.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Dealmaker and dealtaker are totally different things. Right wing crazies think that any deal is automatically a total concession on demands. With them it is frankly "what we want or we burn it all down."
In this sense, they presumably see Trump as being able to force others to take deals that somehow always end up in Conservative's favor, despite the fact that on many topics, Trump is fairly left on...
I'm hoping no further then past the primaries.
A Trump presidency is pretty damn frightening.
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Trump's platform after getting the presidential nominee will probably change a lot and be very attractive to centrists. He's not an idiot, he'll try to beat the Dems.
I know this isn't your philosophy you're defending, but the idea of voting for a guy precisely because he's not part of the establishment, but the caveat that he will also work hand in hand with that despised establishment, is... well, a perfectly Trump-ian rationalization.
Other people have said this too, but that is one hell of a long plank to walk back from.
RustyNails
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Trump will probably lose, barring a terrorist attack or economic crash
Where the shit did this graph come from? Context? Did adults let Dick Morris near the box of crayons again?
Just a small tweak with the non-college educated white slider and it all goes to shit.
Thanks Trump.
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