Bam Bam Baklava
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This is an even more hard to take seriously threat than fire and fury, Halting all trade with China would turn our economy into rubble and any moron in China's government knows this.
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BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)
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This is an even more hard to take seriously threat than fire and fury, Halting all trade with China would turn our economy into rubble and any moron in China's government knows this.
entremet
Member
Surprisingly sober. I guess Kelly is putting in dat work.
Nah bro..
Q: "Mr. President, will you attack North Korea?"
Trump: "We'll see." (via ITV)
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/904376519279173632
I expect to drink some tee and not hope to die from a nuclear blast.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
They should just lock him in a room somewhere. It's not like they give a shit about his "input." I'm fairly certain my teenage kids would have better ideas.
US is not going to stop trading with China.
dragonelite
Member
The US was also kinda shocked when China showed off their aircraft carrier killing ICBM missile.
There is no defense against a mach 25 projectile from space, in how far it was real or propaganda i don't know.
Yup.
Just as Donald Dump doesn't know how international trade works.
Unlucky shmuck of an adviser: "Um Mr President, China is our primary trading partner. And Tim Cook is on the phone for you."
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
This is the dumbest thing I've heard from Donald all month (3 days).
We're not gonna crater our economy to "make a point"
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
By tweeting out options that are 100% unlikely to come to fruition, he might as well be telling NK and the world we're all out of workable options.
NyMartin90
Member
Trump to NK:
Nostremitus
Member
You know... At this point someone could detonate a nuke as an attack against NK's nuclear research facility and the world community would just assume they fucked up and accidentally killed themselves.
NK's leadership just read his tweets...
And why the fuck wouldn't they laugh. The US president is being outwitted by Kim Blob Un.
maniac-kun
Member
Shouldnt it be possible to develop a railgun / laser anti ICBM system that could destroy the missile at any phase? We should have the technology for that. Could be mounted on ships.
GasProblem
Member
Stop trade with China lol.
I'd rather see them remove all sanctions, start trading with NK, let companies set up shop in NK, make the citizens more wealthy, maybe more trade with SK, and let the people of NK realize things could be better if they open up their country more.
There's no militairy option going to work without thousands and thousand of casualties, and remaining on this status quo with sanctions only makes the people of NK suffer. The only way I could ever see things getting better if trade picks up and tensions start to lessen.
I'd rather see them remove all sanctions, start trading with NK, let companies set up shop in NK, make the citizens more wealthy, maybe more trade with SK, and let the people of NK realize things could be better if they open up their country more.
There's no militairy option going to work without thousands and thousand of casualties, and remaining on this status quo with sanctions only makes the people of NK suffer. The only way I could ever see things getting better if trade picks up and tensions start to lessen.
We already did. Or at least South Korea has as one of its many appeasement initiatives over the past 60 odd so years.
So the US is gonna stop trade with 30% of the world economy?
To be fair, that would be a proper action. :shrugs:
It'd hurt us short term, but it'd hurt them long term. We're looking at a Global Trade War here.
some trade sanctions on China would be a good start and have an immediate impact.
any trade with NK with only provide more wealth and power for the ruling elite.
any trade with NK with only provide more wealth and power for the ruling elite.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
The world economy would collapse if US and China stopped trading with each other
Fenderputty
Banned
Cutting off ours legs from the knees down would be the proper action?
Wet Bloodfart
Banned
This thread makes me so fucking scared
StrategyFan
Member
if the trade threat was serious, we'd have seen the market react by now
It's not a favorable solution, but it's one that would hurt China more. And that's the point. China might well be the only actor who can prevent military conflict at this point, and as I stated before it seems like they're presently content to seize any favorable opportunity to increase their global status (be it land grabs or simply reducing/removing the US presence in the region). The US has begged China to act, the US allies have begged China to act... for months, for years. China has basically sat back and CTRL+V'd their default response of hoping for de escalation and an avoidance of military conflict. So if (as the US/allies) you don't want things to turn into all out war -- and there's a good chance it could turn into a global conflict if it came to war -- you kind of have to push China to act by conventional means.
But what would you do that the past 20 yrs of international leadership has not?
Doing it because of the butchered understanding of the economy that Trump ran on is one thing, but in this case it would be warranted.
Yes. But if you want to really address the NK treat, severe actions are necessary. And this is preferable to attacking NK, putting millions of lives at immediate risk.
SDCowboy
Member
The market isn't open. lol
Fenderputty
Banned
In what fantasy land does wrecking the world economey not put millions of lives at risk?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
If the 2008 recession was any indication. Within 12 hours of the economic realities of no trade with China becoming a reality, angry mobs will be storming the WH. Americans have zero tolerance for that kind of self-inflicted economic pain.
always crazy bacon
Banned
China have recently made their position clear on recent events. Of course king Cheeto isn't keeping up with current events.
China said: (paraphrasing) Yo, North Korea, if you start shit we are not going to back you up, Yo Trump, if you make the first move we'll stand by fatty Kim. Pack it in kids or we're turning this car around and you're not getting any ice cream!
NK are baiting the USA right now, they are not going to actually do shit. Trump just needs to ignore it and not be goaded into a first strike.
China said: (paraphrasing) Yo, North Korea, if you start shit we are not going to back you up, Yo Trump, if you make the first move we'll stand by fatty Kim. Pack it in kids or we're turning this car around and you're not getting any ice cream!
NK are baiting the USA right now, they are not going to actually do shit. Trump just needs to ignore it and not be goaded into a first strike.
Is it impossible for it to react anyway? Didn't they react to Trump's initial bullshitting as well?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Traders have come to ignore the President on most things.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Youre acting like the market has some special knowledge on the situation lol, investors are as clueless to whats going on as anyone else
That's why I used the word immediate. The consequences would be far more predictable and controllable than attacking NK proper. If you really want to enforce a change in the status quo, this would be the way to do it. That's all I'm saying.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Economics is one of the biggest catalysts for warfare. You get a bunch of nations with desperate people and desperate leaders as a result. That means a very unstable world where anything can happen. WW2 was preceded by The Great Depression.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
What exactly would be predictable about a global economic collapse of US and China seizing to trade with each other? No one has a clue how that would all fall apart
If we stopped trading with China, wouldn't we have to start building our own factories that handle the raw materials and basically everything from computer components to clothing, etc?
In theory (and magic land) it'd be great because construction workers have work, there'd be more factory jobs, etc. Everything would cost more, but then everyone would buy less which would be better for countering materialism. We'd all be holding hands and celebrate our success.
Though in reality, we'd probably all be eating our own shit in muddy huts to survive.
In theory (and magic land) it'd be great because construction workers have work, there'd be more factory jobs, etc. Everything would cost more, but then everyone would buy less which would be better for countering materialism. We'd all be holding hands and celebrate our success.
Though in reality, we'd probably all be eating our own shit in muddy huts to survive.
Yes, I'm not ignoring that. And I hope whoever is advising the child in chief isn't either. But again, is one of the few avenues left to try to force real change in the peninsula. And at least is preferable to attacking NK, would you at least agree with that?
And is not like it would be an immediate cease in trade, it would likely be the tariffs Trump wanted to impose on China in the first place.
It's not only china.
Nations having trade with NK:
https://twitter.com/AkiPeritz/status/904385928826904576
7/10 of the largest economies on earth
It's basically economic suicide for the US
Bruce Springsteen
Member
World is going to be fucked up regardless. If there is any type of attack on NK, millions will die almost immediately... and thats the best case scenario. You think anything will be the same after that?
Yeah, and even in the initial launch and boost phases tracking and intercepting a ballistic missile ia notoriously difficult. You have to have a whole interception regime in place in the Asia/Pacific region to do so, something the US is only now beginning to deploy. Even then there's no clear evidence to suggest THAAD, Aegis Onshore, etc would work consistently.
Finally if the aim was to simply obliterate Seoul in a nuclear strike all they'd have to do is copy the nuclear artillery system the US created. Almost impossible to take out an artillery shell....
Its a stretch to believe they have small enough powerful warheads to fit into an artillery shell if they can't even get one to go on a missile yet. Lets not overestimate the capabilities they have currently.
The THAAD and Aegis wouldn't work consistently (even a 90% success rate is still to low of a success rate to rely on when dealing with a bomb that can obliterate a city), that is why I am against giving North Korea the capability to reliably use nuclear missiles. While tracking and intercepting a boost phase missile is "notoriously difficult" it is something that can be done.
I can wait for the technology that would make nuclear weapons obsolete with a 100% success rate of interception.
Not stopping trade with China, but some economic sanctions... Man, I can't believe I'm defending Trump on something. So, I back down. Sorry for all this.
Instead of a direct and extreme threat, he uses almost careful words.
Its like watching a baby slowly grow up.