Can Crusher
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I've seen a piece on this before, it's very interesting. Opens up a lot of questions.
Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: Transabled people
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This is a stupid trend and there are even communitys that want to infect other people or they meet up with people that want to get infected. Crazy shit and these people should go to hell.
Not sure what to think of this, I am not them and have no idea what that feels like, and I have no medical training so I will try to hold judgement.
That being said, as someone with a medical disability which is causing the veins in my legs to deteriorate added to the fact I already have a rebuilt with metal knee making movement very tough and painful but something I have to force myself to do to avoid clots and increase circulation, and as someone who considers themselves active in the fight for trans issues and acceptance there is still something about this that just does not sit right with me.
Not saying my opinon won't or can't change, and as I said in my opening I have no knowledge on this and I try to keep an open mind, but for the moment, no I cannot get behind this.
That being said, as someone with a medical disability which is causing the veins in my legs to deteriorate added to the fact I already have a rebuilt with metal knee making movement very tough and painful but something I have to force myself to do to avoid clots and increase circulation, and as someone who considers themselves active in the fight for trans issues and acceptance there is still something about this that just does not sit right with me.
Not saying my opinon won't or can't change, and as I said in my opening I have no knowledge on this and I try to keep an open mind, but for the moment, no I cannot get behind this.
It would be interesting to know if she also stays disabled when alone at home or if it's perhaps the attention she really wants.
Gordon Shumway
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It seems yes..yes, everything had to be a thing. Ridiculous. These folks need help..geezuz.
Monster Zero
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I actually don't see the big deal, we're literally celebrating a male gold medalist becoming a woman and this seems out of place? It's starting to become w/e at this point. I'm sure transracial is next
You really honestly think this is the same thing?
Can Crusher
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wrong thread.
Tesseract
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don't expect me to pay for, or support your applying for disability
real victims need that money, it's already stretched thin (and butchered) as is
this is disgraceful shit, these people need psychological help
*edit* i don't usually posthumously edit, but in this case i think i went a bit overboard re: disability for these people
real victims need that money, it's already stretched thin (and butchered) as is
this is disgraceful shit, these people need psychological help
*edit* i don't usually posthumously edit, but in this case i think i went a bit overboard re: disability for these people
what in the actual fuck
Prime crotch
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People will do all sorts of things in order to find and lock into an identity.
I saw this show about this one dude who strongly believed his right leg wasn't part of his body and the fact it was attached to his body made life unbearable for him. He went through endless therapy, experimental drugs and techniques, none of it worked. He begged doctor after doctor to amputate the leg, none would agree.
Eventually he froze his leg so it had to be amputated.
Eventually he froze his leg so it had to be amputated.
Tesseract
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that's bonkers, batman shit insane
Prime crotch
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To be fair, it's not on his onus to prove that it is not.
FortuneFaded
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In this universe there is only one absolute; everything freezes.
The One and Done
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I read it, really tried to understand it. It has to be a joke. This is insulting to disabled people IMO.
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I genuinely find it very interesting and slightly disturbing how many of the arguments in this thread are still used at this very moment to argue against transgender people in wider society, and would have been used even in liberal enclaves like NeoGAF less than twenty years ago.
I have no clear opinion on this. Intuitively, I feel like there's something wrong with it; I'm not sure it is an opinion that can be made intuitively and instead is one that should be made with informed medical understanding. I empathize with the sufferings of transgender people because I was fortunate enough to have been raised by extremely forward-looking parents who gave me a particular moral outlook which stressed tolerance. However, I do sometimes wonder that if my upbringing had been different, I might have intuitively felt like, for example, gender reassignment surgery is wrong. The fact I don't, but feel there is something wrong with this, is leading me to question how much of my reaction to this is because I don't (and I expect very few people in this thread do) have the proper context to be able to understand it with.
I have no clear opinion on this. Intuitively, I feel like there's something wrong with it; I'm not sure it is an opinion that can be made intuitively and instead is one that should be made with informed medical understanding. I empathize with the sufferings of transgender people because I was fortunate enough to have been raised by extremely forward-looking parents who gave me a particular moral outlook which stressed tolerance. However, I do sometimes wonder that if my upbringing had been different, I might have intuitively felt like, for example, gender reassignment surgery is wrong. The fact I don't, but feel there is something wrong with this, is leading me to question how much of my reaction to this is because I don't (and I expect very few people in this thread do) have the proper context to be able to understand it with.
Yes. Which is why I don't know how to even approach this. To me, it's probably very much some psychological problem, but since it seems to me fairly new in documentation... almost every approach would likely be experimental.
So they have my sympathy for having a disability, but boy what a complicated diagnoses.
It's a pretty ignorant statement no matter how you look at it that seemed a lot more of an just using this topic to insult a transgender person in the news, so I do think it should be on him to back up his post, that's what a discussion forum is for is it not.
Can Crusher
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It all comes down to a simple question. Were they born this way?
My mind says I'm 'X', but my body presents as 'Y', I need to change my body to match the perception I have of myself in my mind.
Who am I talking about?
I don't understand this. They may be similar arguments, but they have very different targets.
I mean, you could make the same argument you just made for the oh-so-edgy arguments arseholes use to equal homosexuals to paedophiles. Both have, simply put, sexual preferences diverging from the norm, but that doesn't mean describing one of them as a "mental illness" shouldn't be okay if you can't describe the other one in the same way.
Actually, you can compare both situations in another thing: Paedophiles that aren't acting on their urges have it really tough. But there -- currently -- simply is no proper cure that could be applied to help them. And I would argue mutilating one self to the point of amputating parts of your body falls under that "no proper cure" term.
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Jpop
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Jesus Christ.
DiipuSurotu
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Nah, just cisabled.
One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day
hendersonhank
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Cutting off a hand, cutting off penis or breasts. What's your definition of mutilation?
TheSadRanger
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WTH is up with this thread, did the inmates take over the asylum?
edit: BTW, I'm only calling this out cause it's a stealth transgender thread, which hey if ppl want to talk about it that's fine. I just find the thread disingenuous due to recent events.
edit: BTW, I'm only calling this out cause it's a stealth transgender thread, which hey if ppl want to talk about it that's fine. I just find the thread disingenuous due to recent events.
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Jpop
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Yeah I completely agree.One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day
I'm bailing on this thread. I can already see the direction it is heading.
The guy just said he's cool with the transabled and you call him an ignorant caveman?One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day
Damn, that's a shame. You were doing such a great job of articulating the differences between transgender and transable and why those differences should matter.
like I said in my post I have no real idea on this particular issue and am trying to avoid snap judgements but the X versus Y argument is lazy and reminds me of the South Park argument, also seen in his post where he used the term Transracial. Surprised he did not go full Cartman and say what about someone who wants to become a dolphin.
Besides I feel gender, but my body presents as gender is a far cry from I don't feel like this limb is mine I need to get rid of it.
Beyond the false equivalency there is also the fact that gender reassignment takes no toll on the public at large, whereas people disabling themselves on purpouse does.
Again I am not ready to dismiss these people, but using them as an argument against transgender people is pretty shortsighted.
The way he said the comment, it sort of seemed like he thought people were just coming up with random things to have and then social media was celebrating it so it's "whatever" at this point.
Maybe I took it the wrong way?
You consider a surgical procedure as "mutilating"? Someone chopping their own arm off with a saw is mutilation, a trans person having a sex change is undergoing surgery.
What is YOUR definition of mutilation? since you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
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But there *is* a "cure" (and I'm not even sure that's the right word to use), from their perspective - amputation of the respective limb or body part. Also, even if that wasn't the case, I still reject your argument. Saying something is a mental illness only if there is no cure means that to be consistent you must also argue that having severe gender dysphoria was a mental illness only up until medical science had progressed to the point that gender reassignment surgery was possible, but not a mental illness after because it is now capable of being "cured". That seems a bizarre conclusion, not to mention a biased one: the use of the word "cure" from the start predisposes you towards thinking of it as a medical condition.
One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day
Having a different opinion = "caveman sentiment"?
Come on.
Depends on the opinion. If the opinion were disparaging a group of people in some way, then yes. But I already conceded I may have read that comment the wrong way.
Ah the good ol' "You can't have an opinion on my opinion, it's just my opinion!"
Prime crotch
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Anchoring your argument over proper surgical procedure isn't that strong, given how you potentially could get surgical procedure to remove your limbs, thereby "legitimizing" it.
Tal Shiar Agent
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When people start to mutilate themselves, then yeah it should be considered an illness. They don't feel comfortable (not a strong enough word) in their bodies, they need mental therapy and medication, not mutilation.
You don't treat anorexia with liposuction, you shouldn't treat body dysphoric disorders with radical surgery. The people in the OP need help, not encouragement.
Imagine if you lost a leg in an accident, can you imagine how justifiably angry you'd be at people like this?
Stop, I'm getting triggered. You don't want to see me when I'm triggered.
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