Can Crusher
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I've seen a piece on this before, it's very interesting. Opens up a lot of questions.
This kind of reminded me of a debate I was having the other day with a dude who intentionally got infected with HIV.
I mean, do whatever you want with your health, body, mind buuut, it is hard not to be judge mental when such self affirmative campaign implies or requires self destruction.
It would be interesting to know if she also stays disabled when alone at home or if it's perhaps the attention she really wants.If I recall correctly, Chloe Jennings was on a show called "Taboo" on the National Geographic channel. I believe she was shown to use handicap parking spaces, ask people for help at work due to her "disability", and enjoy hiking. Play pretend if you want, but don't impede real disabled people to do so.
It seems yes..yes, everything had to be a thing. Ridiculous. These folks need help..geezuz.I often wonder, does everything have to be "a thing"...
You really honestly think this is the same thing?I actually don't see the big deal, we're literally celebrating a male gold medalist becoming a woman and this seems out of place? It's starting to become w/e at this point. I'm sure transracial is next
I actually don't see the big deal, we're literally celebrating a male gold medalist becoming a woman and this seems out of place? It's starting to become w/e at this point. I'm sure transracial is next
I saw this show about this one dude who strongly believed his right leg wasn't part of his body and the fact it was attached to his body made life unbearable for him. He went through endless therapy, experimental drugs and techniques, none of it worked. He begged doctor after doctor to amputate the leg, none would agree.
Eventually he froze his leg so it had to be amputated.
To be fair, it's not on his onus to prove that it is not.You really honestly think this is the same thing?
that's bonkers, batman shit insane
that's bonkers, batman shit insane
It's a pretty ignorant statement no matter how you look at it that seemed a lot more of an just using this topic to insult a transgender person in the news, so I do think it should be on him to back up his post, that's what a discussion forum is for is it not.To be fair, it's not on his onus to prove that it is not.
My mind says I'm 'X', but my body presents as 'Y', I need to change my body to match the perception I have of myself in my mind.It's a pretty ignorant statement no matter how you look at it that seemed a lot more of an just using this topic to insult a transgender person in the news, so I do think it should be on him to back up his post, that's what a discussion forum is for is it not.
I don't understand this. They may be similar arguments, but they have very different targets.I genuinely find it very interesting and slightly disturbing how many of the arguments in this thread are still used at this very moment to argue against transgender people in wider society, and would have been used even in liberal enclaves like NeoGAF less than twenty years ago.
i'm incomplete as a human with this stupid, giant head. i need it removed immediately, only then may i achieve ultimate euphoria
This wasn't the first time that David had tried to amputate his leg. When he was just out of college, he'd tried to do it using a tourniquet fashioned out of an old sock and strong baling twine. David (not his real name) locked himself in his bedroom at his parents' house, his bound leg propped up against the wall to prevent blood from flowing into it. After two hours the pain was unbearable, and fear sapped his will.
Undoing a tourniquet that has starved a limb of blood can be fatal: injured muscles downstream of the blockage flood the body with toxins, causing the kidneys to fail. Even so, David released the tourniquet himself; it was just as well that he hadn't mastered the art of tying one.
Failure did not lessen David's desire to be rid of the leg. It began to consume him, to dominate his awareness. The leg was always there as a foreign body, an impostor, an intrusion.
He spent every waking moment imagining freedom from the leg. He'd stand on his "good" leg, trying not to put any weight on the bad one. At home, he'd hop around. While sitting, he'd often push the leg to one side. The leg just wasn't his. He began to blame it for keeping him single; but living alone in a small suburban townhouse, afraid to socialise and struggling to form relationships, David was unwilling to let anyone know of his singular fixation.
One night about a year ago, when he could bear it no longer, David called his best friend. There was something he had been wanting to reveal his whole life, David told him. His friend's response was empathetic – exactly what David needed. Even as David was speaking he began searching online for material. "He told me that there was something in my eyes the whole time I was growing up," David said. "It looked like I had pain in my eyes, like there was something I wasn't telling him."
Once David opened up, he discovered that he was not alone. He found a community on the internet of others who were also desperate to excise some part of their body – usually a limb, sometimes two. These people were suffering from what is now called "body integrity identity disorder" (BIID).
I actually don't see the big deal, we're literally celebrating a male gold medalist becoming a woman and this seems out of place? It's starting to become w/e at this point. I'm sure transracial is next
You're all being limbphobic. Bigots.
Jesus Christ.
trans people aren't mutilating their body
Yeah I completely agree.One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day![]()
The guy just said he's cool with the transabled and you call him an ignorant caveman?One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day![]()
Damn, that's a shame. You were doing such a great job of articulating the differences between transgender and transable and why those differences should matter.Yeah I completely agree.
I'm bailing on this thread. I can already see the direction it is heading.
like I said in my post I have no real idea on this particular issue and am trying to avoid snap judgements but the X versus Y argument is lazy and reminds me of the South Park argument, also seen in his post where he used the term Transracial. Surprised he did not go full Cartman and say what about someone who wants to become a dolphin.My mind says I'm 'X', but my body presents as 'Y', I need to change my body to match the perception I have of myself in my mind.
Who am I talking about?
The guy just said he's cool with the transabled and you call him an ignorant caveman?
You consider a surgical procedure as "mutilating"? Someone chopping their own arm off with a saw is mutilation, a trans person having a sex change is undergoing surgery.Cutting off a hand, cutting off penis or breasts. What's your definition of mutilation?
Actually, you can compare both situations in another thing: Paedophiles that aren't acting on their urges have it really tough. But there -- currently -- simply is no proper cure that could be applied to help them. And I would argue mutilating one self to the point of amputating parts of your body falls under that "no proper cure" term.
One day I will come on GAF and not see some caveman sentiment from the ignorant set.
But it is not this day![]()
Having a different opinion = "caveman sentiment"?
Come on.
Ah the good ol' "You can't have an opinion on my opinion, it's just my opinion!"Having a different opinion = "caveman sentiment"?
Come on.
Anchoring your argument over proper surgical procedure isn't that strong, given how you potentially could get surgical procedure to remove your limbs, thereby "legitimizing" it.You consider a surgical procedure as "mutilating"? Someone chopping their own arm off with a saw is mutilation, a trans person having a sex change is undergoing surgery.
What is YOUR definition of mutilation? since you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Now that just has to be a mental illness. That's self-mutilation, isnt it?
I don't buy this. It just seems way out there that this isn't some form of obsession related mental thing.
Not saying people shouldn't be taken seriously, but the treatment should be something other than chopping off limbs.
When people start to mutilate themselves, then yeah it should be considered an illness. They don't feel comfortable (not a strong enough word) in their bodies, they need mental therapy and medication, not mutilation.Only a few decades ago people would have said the same and transgender people, hell there are still people who say that now.
Just because something is unfamiliar to us or seems "weird" we shouldn't rush to label it as an illness....
Ah the good ol' "You can't have an opinion on my opinion, it's just my opinion!"