distantmantra
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Those of us in the PNW like Cascadian Dark Ale.
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codswallop
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Pale ales are called that because they use mostly pale malt, not due to the colour. Black probably uses black malt, which is quite roasted and imparts that taste. You only need a few percent though.
It is, but the IPA style has become very recognizable, and everyone immediately understands what a "black IPA" would be like. Everything else would probably just lead to more confusion.
There are breweries calling their black IPA IBA for that very reason. I think BrewDog simply calls their's Black Ale.
weremichael
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They will always be called Cascadian Dark Ales to me. There was a big debate in the brewing world several years ago about naming the style. Ultimately Black IPA won out for political reasons and we're stuck with the oxymoron.
Regardless, they typically taste fantastic (especially with Chinook and Apollo hops) and (for me) very fun to brew.
I'll throw in a bit more detail to codswallop's spot-on description. Most Cascadians use dehusked Carafa (debittered) or Midnight Wheat (500+ Lovibond) to make the beer darker without making it bitter (in a grain sense not a hop bitterness) and some quantity of chocolate malt to round out the mid flavors.
yep, sad but dont get too upset, CT is still pound for pound one of the best distro'd states
Yeah, IPAs sell, so calling anything "hoppy" an IPA is mostly marketing now. So we have Black IPAs, Rye IPAs, Triple IPA, Brown IPA, White IPA...
In technical terms many of those don't make sense. Blame marketing.
I had some about a year ago and was actually impressed. Had some 2010 Utopias the same night and part of me was more impressed by the Triple considering its age. However, I've read many varying reports about the bottles ability to store and age well. The bottle I tried had some serious sediment on the bottom, but the beer was still very tasty. With a beer like that I would personally try and sell it. There is nothing worse than opening a rare aged beer only to find out it's ruined, undrinkable and now completely worthless. However, if you boss would sell it to you for the $5, it would be a no brainer to open and drink.
distantmantra
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Hair of the Dog is releasing 12 bottles of Dave* today for $2,000 a bottle (money goes to charity). Some crazy trade offers are popping up over at Beer Advocate this morning. Highly entertaining.
*For those who don't know, Dave is a 29% old ale. It is basically 300 gallons of Adam that were frozen three times until only 100 gallons of liquid were left. Made once in 1994 and extremely rare. Whalez, yo.
*For those who don't know, Dave is a 29% old ale. It is basically 300 gallons of Adam that were frozen three times until only 100 gallons of liquid were left. Made once in 1994 and extremely rare. Whalez, yo.
1994, ahh 7th grade, if i'd only known then!....
distantmantra
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They sold them by 3pm. $2,000 a bottle.
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7th grade for me as well. I didn't even know what craft beer was!
distantmantra
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My wife would divorce me if I spent $2,000 on a 12 oz. bottle of beer. I wouldn't blame her.
PhoncipleBone
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haha, so youve considered it then?
Founder's grab the Breakfast Stout...possibly Curmudgeon if youre into the style...
it's Fall so they might have Backwoods Bastard, that's a good one too.
Dirty Bastard is the best year round IMO, I also like their Centennial IPA.
Breakfast Stout is wonderful.
Red Rye PA is also quite good.
KBS and Backwards Bastard are limited releases that are worth trying to get, but usually sell out fast.
Thanks man.
Swamphead sounds awesome. Will definately look for those, once I get a chance.
Honey Cream Ale... /drool
distantmantra
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haha, so youve considered it then?
I was joking around with a friend asking how many people we'd need to go in with on the bottle so our wives wouldn't divorce us. We figured 100.
Snytbaggen
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So I noticed that the store near me is going to get in a batch of these next week:
I've never heard of this particular Chimay beer before, does anyone know anything about it or if it's good? Their regular Blue variant is one of my favorites, so I'm having some hopes for this.
I've never heard of this particular Chimay beer before, does anyone know anything about it or if it's good? Their regular Blue variant is one of my favorites, so I'm having some hopes for this.
I'd say unless I'm trying something new there's a 90% chance that I'm drinking something 8-11%. I don't session them though. Wee heavies, imperial ipas, barley wines, weizen bocks, dopplebocks, imperial stouts, strong Belgian ales, etc. I love stronger beers when they're done right.
What do you normally drink as far as style goes?
Pretty much everything. I have no trouble with 9% Imperial IPAs and Stouts, and I love a good light wheat beer. Right now I'm just trying out different stuff. I try to grab something new every time I go to the liquor store. I've been trying different Belgians, but they're so expensive compared to most domestic microbrews.
bumbillbee
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I only got a single bottle of Punkin but it tasted fine to me (and recent beeradvocate reviews seem positive). I'm not a huge pumpkin ale guy and never found it super spiced in the past few years but it's possible you just got a bad bottle.
Quads aren't one of my favorite styles (a bit too sweet for me and I'm not super fond of intense raisin/plum flavors in beer) but Rochefort 10 is probably my favorite, though I haven't had Westy. It's definitely intense but hides its alcohol pretty well for being 12%. Nothing gives me hangovers quite like stronger Belgian ales, though.
Yeah, you're really lucky to be able to get good American beers at good prices. For me living in Toronto it's not really any more money to drink St Bernardus 12 than it is to drink a Canadian or American beer. Heck, one of the best bargains around is Rochefort 8 at $2.55 a bottle (330ml). That's basically the same price as something from Unibroue.
Well, even most American beers are pretty expensive because in Utah only the state run monopoly sells liquor, wine, and beers above 4%. In Idaho I can get a 12 pack of Sierra Nevada for $12, here I have to pay 1.70 per bottle. Sam Adams stuff is $2 per bottle. Rogue stuff is 2.50 per bottle, vs maybe $8 for a 6 pack in Idaho. And they never have sales. The selection in most stores is pretty small too. The bulk of the space is for liquor and wine. Beer might take up about 1/6 the space in a standard store.
Here's the price list they post online.
http://abc.utah.gov/products/documents/AlphaPriceList.pdf
The only good thing I can say about the Utah state liquor stores is they let you split packs since they sell by the bottle.
Here's the price list they post online.
http://abc.utah.gov/products/documents/AlphaPriceList.pdf
The only good thing I can say about the Utah state liquor stores is they let you split packs since they sell by the bottle.
Belgian imports seem to be priced comparatively with American craft here, often with the Belgians being cheaper.
Typically you're paying $10-15 for a standard 750ml. Rochefort is a bit of an exception since I think it only comes in 375ml. When it comes to sours/lambics the American stuff is generally much more expensive than Belgian.
Typically you're paying $10-15 for a standard 750ml. Rochefort is a bit of an exception since I think it only comes in 375ml. When it comes to sours/lambics the American stuff is generally much more expensive than Belgian.
From most of what I've looked at from that list so far that is expensive compared to what I've seen in Buffalo and closer to our prices here (though still cheaper!). I should not have generalized, sorry. Your alcohol prices vary state by state as much as ours.
My experience is too limited I guess. I just know in Buffalo I could get Brooklyn beers and such for far cheaper than here ($9 six pack vs $14 six pack) yet when it came to imports it was only marginally cheaper, if not even more expensive. There were exceptions (ie Gouden Corolous Blauw for $20 for four 750ml bottles) but mostly it was true.
codswallop
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Whoa. I've never found this, even in Belgium. Might be a limited (or new) thing? Doree is the monk's table beer and usually only available rarely or at the abbey on tap.So I noticed that the store near me is going to get in a batch of these next week:
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In fact, it's the only Chimay I've not had, and Chimay is responsible for my love of beer. I'd almost be willing to ask you to buy me one and ship it to Australia... What's it cost?
PhoncipleBone
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So I noticed that the store near me is going to get in a batch of these next week:
I've never heard of this particular Chimay beer before, does anyone know anything about it or if it's good? Their regular Blue variant is one of my favorites, so I'm having some hopes for this.
I am terrified to think of how expensive that is going to be. But I must try it.
Snytbaggen
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I'm definitely gonna try to pick up some bottles then. It's surprisingly cheap, only 25SEK (3,69USD) per bottle, even cheaper than the Blue that's 29SEK per bottle. I'd love to send you some, but iirc it's illegal to send alcohol through mail here and I don't think I'm willing to take the risk :/
codswallop
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Had some beer sent over (at ridiculous cost!) earlier this year from Norway no problems, but I understand. I'll just be insanely jealous instead.
It'll be cheaper because it's lower alcohol, I wouldn't expect it to taste like other Chimay beers...
Snytbaggen
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Had some beer sent over (at ridiculous cost!) earlier this year from Norway no problems, but I understand. I'll just be insanely jealous instead.
It'll be cheaper because it's lower alcohol, I wouldn't expect it to taste like other Chimay beers...
Hmm, apparently people have sent beer over from Sweden to at least America, so it might not be impossible after all... It would probably be very expensive though.
codswallop
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Just heard from a craft beer shop that it is due for release in Australia sometime in the near future too. So excited!
I mean, it's probably not even that great, but I don't care, it's the only* missing Chimay for me.
*Mainline Chimay, not counting special or limited releases.
I mean, it's probably not even that great, but I don't care, it's the only* missing Chimay for me.
*Mainline Chimay, not counting special or limited releases.
I'd agree with you. It's just that the people who write lists like this don't know Upstate NY exists.
That being said I do love Brooklyn. Theirs is my favorite Octoberfest.
I knew better than to expect a show where we could watch intelligent brewers in the industry talk shop, but I sure didn't expect a Michael Bay-esque epileptic roller coaster, either.
Apparently only 5 cases are making it to LA :/ Hope you have better luck in seattle
distantmantra
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Hasn't hit Seattle yet, but kegs hit Spokane last week.
Our partnership between Elysian and New Belgium should help us get more out here. New Belgium is actually licensed as a Washington state brewery because of it.
Ah, nice. I gotta do my best to hunt them down, hopefully they will show up on Letspour or something lol.
bumbillbee
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Whoa pretty great haul! I'm jealous of that Whole Foods sale in SoCal (which I'm guessing accounts for some of that), I'd assumed it was California-wide but was disappointed.
So is it in the style of their normal videos? That pseudo-punk frantic stuff?
Also, we got a pretty big selection of Rogue stuff in the store today.
Tried the Juniper Ale (where's the juniper?), the Dead Guy Ale (okay) and some Hazelnut Ale (bloody awesome).
Any further recommendations? I think we got like 10 different ones, including a Chipotle Ale and several spirits.
PhoncipleBone
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I spy a new Stone Enjoy By. I must hunt it down.
You in CT too? I would love that beer but am working all weekend.hope my CT peeps plan on making a trip to New England Brewing if they didn't go today....
Barrel Aged Imperial Stout Trooper
get it? the barrel is aged. [rimshot]
distantmantra
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It's the mooost wonderful time of the yeeeaar!
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