The homosexuality is a choice argument is one of the most irrelevant things that consistently gets brought up and I'm disappointed when people engage with it. It doesn't matter if it's a choice for all, for some, or biological for all. That's not a reason to say you can't embrace it or abridge their rights.
Ben Carson says prison proves being gay is a choice.
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? It's an out for bigots to think they are in the right, telling another person how to live based on their own religious beliefs. It's not irrelevant.
It is relevant because to a lot of people, as long as it's a "choice," you can "fix" it, or pray it away, or shame people out of it.
If it's an immutable part of someone's biological makeup, you can't do that. And discriminating against them for it is seen as much worse since western societies, particularly America, like to think they're above birth-assigned socioeconomic statuses and caste-like social hierarchies.
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Sexual attraction is not more of a choice than color preference, musical taste, food preference, etc.
The whole debate around the notion of choice is dumb, there's nothing to feel guilty about in being gay.
The whole debate around the notion of choice is dumb, there's nothing to feel guilty about in being gay.
methane47
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I kind of agree with him though.
I believe that humans are social creatures and will always find away to make an intimate relationship.
I think its alittle incredible to think that we have a gene that defines what type of person you are "CAPABLE" of loving based on whether or not that person has a 5 inch piece of flesh that is hidden from view between someone's legs.
that said I don't think its a choice that you can make and say "OK TODAY IM GAY"
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I believe that humans are social creatures and will always find away to make an intimate relationship.
I think its alittle incredible to think that we have a gene that defines what type of person you are "CAPABLE" of loving based on whether or not that person has a 5 inch piece of flesh that is hidden from view between someone's legs.
that said I don't think its a choice that you can make and say "OK TODAY IM GAY"
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gutter_trash
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doesn't this shed light one of the biggest problems with the prison system?
What?
Rabbi_Vole
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Tax payer funded fleshlights for all? How do we manage back vs front door inventory?
But I don't think engaging it solves anything since you are are essentially agreeing to the premise which is fundamentally flawed. Maybe someone didn't feel it was biological or at least didn't fit within a particular sexual mold that is acknowledged as biologic, it wouldn't mean such a person doesn't get equal protections to do whatever they felt was most appropriate.
It's exactly like if I were to ask people to prove having religion was biological otherwise send them to atheism camp, maybe you could prove believing in higher powers is a natural thing the human brain likes to do. That's not the point, they have freedom to do as they please because it's not harmful (well, in theory, but clearly it's a more harmful social issue than homosexuality).
Dreams-Visions
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Dr. Ben Carson.
Few famous, smart people have disappointed me in my lifetime. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone is human.
None have disappointed me more than Dr. Ben Carson. He's a clown. I'd rather listen to Clarence Thomas pontificate on social ills than Dr. Carson. Once an inspiration for many, now someone many wish would simply go away. It's too bad his professional legacy provides him such an open mic to discuss so many things and issues beyond his realm of expertise...but I guess every reporter loves a train wreck.
Few famous, smart people have disappointed me in my lifetime. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone is human.
None have disappointed me more than Dr. Ben Carson. He's a clown. I'd rather listen to Clarence Thomas pontificate on social ills than Dr. Carson. Once an inspiration for many, now someone many wish would simply go away. It's too bad his professional legacy provides him such an open mic to discuss so many things and issues beyond his realm of expertise...but I guess every reporter loves a train wreck.
kurisu_1974
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Isn't that how they grow my weed these days?
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No he is a smart neurosurgeon. What it proves, is that smart people can be dumb too.
Prime crotch
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Only gay if you kiss.
Rabbi_Vole
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I need to break out my copy of AeroBiz Homophonic
The man must be trolling. He's a walking contradiction.
Rabbi_Vole
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A common misconception. You must kiss, sustain eye contact for at least 5 seconds (but no more than 10) and one party must have a mustache.
Read the title as Bryan Cranston and went "oh no..."
Anyways, Carson just fucking destroyed any chance he had at 2016. The quote is bad enough already, but MAY have been forgotten about if it was just someone randomly asking a question, but the way he tries to explain it for so long just looks detestable.
Anyways, Carson just fucking destroyed any chance he had at 2016. The quote is bad enough already, but MAY have been forgotten about if it was just someone randomly asking a question, but the way he tries to explain it for so long just looks detestable.
benjipwns
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Define what he had a "chance at" because he looks to be setting himself right for the perfect shot.
Dreams-Visions
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Implying he had a chance at all? lol?
This. And it should be a lesson well-learned for all of you.
Lots of people are really gifted in one area and really deficient in many others. The problem comes in when they think that their expertise in the area they're strong in makes them an authority in everything else, as if all that experience can be extrapolated and applied liberally to the rest of life.
But in fact, we know that's not the case. You wouldn't want Dr. Ben Carson performing your open heart surgery, for example. His expertise is not in a cardiovascular/pulmonary expertise. You wouldn't want Warren Buffett designing your helicopter blades. You wouldn't want Tim Cook developing your 18-month bodybuilding and strength training program. You wouldn't want Michael Jordan preparing you for your first MMA fight. Being good at selling Pizzas doesn't make you a legitimate Presidential candidate. Being excellent on a given field does not offer carry-over into any others. Being good at Call of Duty won't translate to being good at Dota 2. Each requires one to start again from the beginning and work their way into being excellent in a new set of subjects. Otherwise, you risk looking like an idiot like Dr. Carson has. Most people choose the later path rather than the former.
Then we should be arguing that that people should be free to live however they 'choose', whether it's their nature or learned.
Smoking marijuana is a choice, yet it's slowly becoming legal. No one is resorting to 'I was born a pot smoker' arguments.
[NOTE: I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm just saying that it shouldn't matter]
andthebeatgoeson
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Wait, why blame religion and not politics?
I have to fight off the people who want to watch fox news in the lounge. I'm sure he denies climate change. Or will.
You would be surprised at how many social derelicts there are. This conservative thing he has is very much expected.
I have to fight off the people who want to watch fox news in the lounge. I'm sure he denies climate change. Or will.
Fenderputty
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So Ben Carson no longer supports the prison system then I assume?
The two aren't intertwined on the right?
The two aren't intertwined on the right?
andthebeatgoeson
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I attribute his douche baggery to his political interests. Power corrupts. It will be good biggest down fall.
And he blatantly ignores the power dynamics involved with rape in prisons. As long as we continue to allow rape in prison, we won't have great moral standing to be against rape in the rest of society.
I wonder what's the numbers comparison between rape in prison versus outside of prison.
I do agree with this. And I wish more people would point this out when it comes up. The best response is who cares whether it is a choice or not cause being gay is not a bad thing and they don't need an excuse of they can't help it to "justify" it.
Yeah, I've never loved the "it's not a choice/born that way" argument. I'm sure it's generally true, and I certainly get why it's resorted to, from a tactical standpoint but you're implicitly granting that it's acceptable to persecute people for their (harmless, private) choices.
benjipwns
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No, another reason to keep em locked up. They'll be happier in there with all those sweaty working out all the time men anyway.
War Peaceman
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Even if it is a choice (it isn't), does this change anything?
But that logic is utterly sublime. He seems like the perfect example of someone who focused all their mental attention on one thing, at the expense of the rest of his education.
But that logic is utterly sublime. He seems like the perfect example of someone who focused all their mental attention on one thing, at the expense of the rest of his education.
Unbound By Death
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Carson bullshit aside.
Isn't having a choice empowering?
So why would it be bad if it was a choice? ( i know it isnt )
Isn't having a choice empowering?
So why would it be bad if it was a choice? ( i know it isnt )
Fenderputty
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And you're blatanly ignoring why ben carson is a mouth piece for the right. The GOP and the religious right have been up each other's ass form a while.
Cruel and unusual Ben. Cruel and unusual.
darkside31337
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So I guess that means hes in favor of destroying mass incarceration and fixing our prison system?
David Incorporated Esq.
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Dude rolled an 18 INT and 8 WIS.
I love this.
DoktorEvil
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speculawyer
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Such a good description. It also applies to all those doctors, engineers, and architects that are violent jihadis.
What happens if you keep eye contact for more than 10 seconds? You become so gay that you're straight again?
benjipwns
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To even tell you would horrify you.
CoolZombie
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Your point on religion really hits the nail on the head for me. It can often make otherwise intelligent people say and do stupid things.
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