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[Flying Toaster]

I would love for Sanders to get the nomination. I would be ecstatic to see him get the presidency but then what? What is the plan to get both congress and the senate to play ball?

The grassroots Bernie supporters need to turn to state and local elections and focus on those as well. Change the mind of the people and eventually congress will change.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXvRe49qces

Hillary Clinton is a joke, she is basically the "focus group" candidate. She is the textbook politician that would NEVER survive the archive.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I would love for Sanders to get the nomination. I would be ecstatic to see him get the presidency but then what? What is the plan to get both congress and the senate to play ball?

Flying Toaster
US Senator
(D) Arizona

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I would love for Sanders to get the nomination. I would be ecstatic to see him get the presidency but then what? What is the plan to get both congress and the senate to play ball?

The grassroots Bernie supporters need to turn to state and local elections and focus on those as well. Change the mind of the people and eventually congress will change.

They're doing that; once the Sanders campaign is over the infrastructure is being moved over to Grassroots Select; part of the transition plans are already in place.

 

[SmackDaddy]

Just registered. Time for The polls to feel my bern.

Unless I Decide To Write in emperor Obama for a third term

 

[vainglorious]

I'll give Bernie credit for holding onto a thank you card for 23 years

HRC is arguably the most powerful woman in the world. Why wouldn't he?

 

[Flying Toaster]

Flying Toaster
US Senator
(D) Arizona

Jesus. I just spit out my drink.

They're doing that; once the Sanders campaign is over the infrastructure is being moved over to Grassroots Select; part of the transition plans are already in place.

Actually I appreciate you pointing this out. I will have to track down some Bernie people here in Phoenix and work with them. I truly do believe that the grassroots movement is what we need in our country. Obama proved he could get it going. Bernie has definitely shown that it is still there... I would love to be a part of something that expands the understanding of the voting public.

Community driven local elections should matter especially to people in my age group (early 30's) It is our time to make an impact on the political sphere.

 

[The Lamonster]

I would love for Sanders to get the nomination. I would be ecstatic to see him get the presidency but then what? What is the plan to get both congress and the senate to play ball?

The grassroots Bernie supporters need to turn to state and local elections and focus on those as well. Change the mind of the people and eventually congress will change.

The Senate is part of Congress and Senators are typically more level-headed than Representatives.

 

[danwarb]

Clinton showing contempt for the public by misrepresenting Sanders on healthcare. Expanding Medicare "eliminates Medicare"?

HRC is arguably the most powerful woman in the world. Why wouldn't he?

Keeps all his fan mail.

 

[dabig2]

Liberal grassroots movements need to be THE thing of this election regardless of who wins the primary. I'm a bit tired of playing the neoliberal game where the left has to constantly approach things from the right side POV. The right has had control of the message for the past 35 years. Liberals are still afraid of the ghosts of Nixon, Reagan, Atwater, Jude Wanninski, and Art Laffer (his soul is dead so it still counts).

 

[SenorArdilla]

Keeps all his fan mail.

Is Bernie Superman now?

 

[onadesertedisland]

? That she was driving health care reform back then, and Sanders worked with her to do it? I don't think Hillary has come out as anti-single payer. Just anti-Bernie's single payer plan (and also a realist who knows that single payer isn't going to happen in the next 8 years).

The only way this country will establish a single payer system is to do it dramatically. A slow roll-out will be eroded, as the ACA has been, until it doesn't resemble universal health care at all. Obama should have pushed through single payer when the Democrats had control over the legislature, but he didn't. Now we have this zombified version of universal health care that is only better than what we had before due to expanded Medicare and exclusion of prior condition clauses.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

A thank you card from the then First Lady and since one of the most prominent public officials of the last 20 years.

It's not a thank you card, it's a Yu-Gi-Oh trap card.

 

[Valhelm]

I would love for Sanders to get the nomination. I would be ecstatic to see him get the presidency but then what? What is the plan to get both congress and the senate to play ball?

The grassroots Bernie supporters need to turn to state and local elections and focus on those as well. Change the mind of the people and eventually congress will change.

I'm not sure if a Republican legislature would be much more willing to work with Clinton.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Liberal grassroots movements need to be THE thing of this election regardless of who wins the primary. I'm a bit tired of playing the neoliberal game where the left has to constantly approach things from the right side POV. The right has had control of the message for the past 35 years. Liberals are still afraid of the ghosts of Nixon, Reagan, Atwater, Jude Wanninski, and Art Laffer (his soul is dead so it still counts).

Liberals and progressives should be furious at the establishment Democrats placating the GOP. Why is the Democratic party not openly attacking all of the GOP candidates every time they do something bigoted or racist? Trying to force Hillary on the country is not a moral position, it's almost like a favor being called in. If Hillary is the best candidate, so be it, but the national Democratic party should be on the offense against the GOP. Though I wish the lunacy on the republican side would be enough to ensure a Democratic executive win, I do not think it will be. The average voter must be informed how crazy the republicans are.

 

[B_Spooky13]

If Trump is the running mate then anyone on the Dem side will win. It's pretty bad when Rep don't even want to be connected to you

 

[JesseEwiak]

Liberals and progressives should be furious at the establishment Democrats placating the GOP. Why is the Democratic party not openly attacking all of the GOP candidates every time they do something bigoted or racist? Trying to force Hillary on the country is not a moral position, it's almost like a favor being called in. If Hillary is the best candidate, so be it, but the national Democratic party should be on the offense against the GOP. Though I wish the lunacy on the republican side would be enough to ensure a Democratic executive win, I do not think it will be. The average voter must be informed how crazy the republicans are.

Most Democrats, including neoliberal shill Hillary, does do this. It just gets either ignored by the media or drowned out by Trump saying crazy things or ignored by say, certain segments of the left who wants reasons to hate anybody to the right of Bernie.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Most Democrats, including neoliberal shill Hillary, does do this. It just gets either ignored by the media or drowned out by Trump saying crazy things or ignored by say, certain segments of the left who wants reasons to hate anybody to the right of Bernie.

I consider myself a far left socialist, but understand the benefit of being part of the two party system. I dislike pandering to the right to move things along. I guarantee that a republican congress will budge not a single inch if any Democrat wins the White House.
What I mean is an active campaign to expose the crazy republicans from the establishment Democratic institutions and not the candidates themselves. I want to see the Democrat party as a united front against insanity. Right now it's devolving into a turd throwing fest between front runners, and that's exactly what the right wants.

 

[Inuhanyou]

You can tell who is mentally repressing facts just because they are so invested in Hillary.

Bernie beats all of the GOP field?

"No Hillary is the more electable one!"

"But that's not what the polls or information show-"

"Hillary!"


Please.

 

[reckless]

You can tell who is mentally repressing facts just because they are so invested in Hillary.

Bernie beats all of the GOP field?

"No Hillary is the more electable one!"

"But that's not what the polls or information show-"

"Hillary!"


Please.

General election polls are pretty much meaningless right now.

 

[Chariot]

General election polls are pretty much meaningless right now.

[polls favour Hillary heavily]

"Look! Bernie isn't electable, this is proof!"

[polls favour Bernie or bring him close enough to be a serious contender]

"Polls don't matter yet!"

 

[ZealousD]

You can tell who is mentally repressing facts just because they are so invested in Hillary.

Bernie beats all of the GOP field?

"No Hillary is the more electable one!"

"But that's not what the polls or information show-"

"Hillary!"


Please.

Did you see the polls where Carson was the most electable candidate for the Republicans a few months back?

Try and tell me you put serious stock into THOSE polls.

 

[phanphare]

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/687317650658189312?s=09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXvRe49qces

 

[Sianos]

Absolutely.

If I don't get my way, I'd be happy to sentence my candidate's vision to death, too. If I can't get 100% of what I want in 2016, then preserving the possibility of success in 2020, 2024, and beyond doesn't really appeal to me.

Making sure that my causes - causes I'm supposedly serious about - live to fight another day? Naaah. No thanks.

This is what truly matters.

 

[reckless]

[polls favour Hillary heavily]

"Look! Bernie isn't electable, this is proof!"

[polls favour Bernie or bring him close enough to be a serious contender]

"Polls don't matter yet!"

General election match up polls don't really matter.

Polls saying that only socialists are one of the least likely groups of people to voted for do matter a lot with electability. Especially when Bernie would have to deal with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads calling him a socialist.

That alone is a major hurdle that he would have to overcome.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Remember when Ben Carson and Hermain Cain were winning in the polls? Yeah, that's why we say they don't matter.

All it took was 2 weeks of media scrutiny and attacks from his opponents to destroy Carson.

 

[RustyNails]

[polls favour Hillary heavily]

"Look! Bernie isn't electable, this is proof!"

[polls favour Bernie or bring him close enough to be a serious contender]

"Polls don't matter yet!"

McCain was neck and neck with Hillary and Obama in Jan 2008 and even leading them by a comfy margin in some. I made a big huge post in poligaf about this few days ago but the short answer is that GE matchups will not mean much until the parties chose their nominees. Thats what data supports. Sure you can see a trend or two but they cannot be used as a prediction tool.

 

[Kwixotik]

General election match up polls don't really matter.

Polls saying that only socialists are one of the least likely groups of people to voted for do matter a lot with electability. Especially when Bernie would have to deal with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads calling him a socialist.

That alone is a major hurdle that he would have to overcome.

Okay but what about socialist vs blatantly racist embarrassment to the country?

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Absolutely.

If I don't get my way, I'd be happy to sentence my candidate's vision to death, too. If I can't get 100% of what I want in 2016, then preserving the possibility of success in 2020, 2024, and beyond doesn't really appeal to me.

Making sure that my causes - causes I'm supposedly serious about - live to fight another day? Naaah. No thanks.

I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I don't know if I'm voting for Sanders either. I have never voted, but Clinton seems to be the least likely person I would vote for. And to your last point, the single most important issue for me is single payer healthcare, so yeah, more reason to not vote for Clinton, since, you know, she's so against it?

Side note, since you reminded me for some reason, still no comprehensive tax plan from any of the democratic candidates, correct?

[polls favour Hillary heavily]

"Look! Bernie isn't electable, this is proof!"

[polls favour Bernie or bring him close enough to be a serious contender]

"Polls don't matter yet!"

Sounds like my boss - who is a hardcore republican - saying that Trump won't get the nomination and polls are garbage right now, but when Cruz is ahead in Iowa, he is quick to point it out.

 

[rjinaz]

General election match up polls don't really matter.

Polls saying that only socialists are one of the least likely groups of people to voted for do matter a lot with electability. Especially when Bernie would have to deal with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads calling him a socialist.

That alone is a major hurdle that he would have to overcome.

You mean that one poll? In June? Polling people on landlines?

I would be much more interested in what people think about voting for a socialist today, after Bernie has been in the spotlight for a while now.

 

[reckless]

Okay but what about socialist vs blatantly racist embarrassment to the country?

This is America...the blatantly racist embarrassment would have a pretty good shot. You ain't going to undo decades of red scare propaganda in a couple months.

 

[Drensch]

You can tell who is mentally repressing facts just because they are so invested in Hillary.

Bernie beats all of the GOP field?

"No Hillary is the more electable one!"

"But that's not what the polls or information show-"

"Hillary!"


Please.

Are these state by state polls, not a year out prior to any investment or attention from the other party taking into account Bernie's lack of organization? No.

A few national polls a year out mean nothing. Especially when Bernie has had almost no consideration from the other parties 2 billion dollar hit machine. Hillary has weathered the hit machine for 20s years. Bernie has enthusiasm from young white males. Hillary does well amongst all demos.

 

[Tesseract]

he's gonna do it, he has to

 

[Inuhanyou]

General election polls are pretty much meaningless right now.

Did you see the polls where Carson was the most electable candidate for the Republicans a few months back?

Try and tell me you put serious stock into THOSE polls.

And we're 3 weeks out from the primaries. People are going to have to start thinking hard about what values they support in a candidate, and what they want to represent quickly.

If people are going to use Clinton is "more electable in a general" weak defense, it WILL be thrown back.

I don't think backing the establishment because they have money raised from corporate forces and a candidate because she has name recognition is a sane course of action, especially considering they are all representative of the forces that need to be taken to task and that's clear as day.

I will state it, Bernie is the best person to take on someone like Trump, not Hillary who Trump can smash all day for her corporate ties. He can say Bernie is a socialist all he wants, but socialism is just a name. The democratic, independent and republican disenfranchised voters will rally behind him like they have been doing because of his message that in some way, every one of those bases supports.

[polls favour Hillary heavily]

"Look! Bernie isn't electable, this is proof!"

[polls favour Bernie or bring him close enough to be a serious contender]

"Polls don't matter yet!"

I bet if Hillary said we should literally sit on our ass and watch Jersey shore or whatever for the remainder of time, some people would argue that is a sane course of action.

She is not representative of what i expect of a President let alone a politician, and her credentials are nowhere to be found from the perspective of trying to stop the collusion and further encroachment of corporate power in the political system, or the government's expansion of federal powers in the wrong way, like the patriot act

If all one can come up with is that she's going tell Wall Street to "cut it out" and go on to attack Assad and the rebel fighters in Syria at the same time, "but you better vote for her cause she's Hillary and better, and if not you don't care about this country", then that's a joke.

 

[RustyNails]

he's gonna do it, he has to

But Bruce, what if he doesn't?

 

[gutter_trash]

Bernie will do well in Northern 95%+ white states. (Iowa, NH)

Bernie will do shit when the Primaries move to more diverse states

Bernie is toast by Super Tuesday

I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I don't know if I'm voting for Sanders either. I have never voted, but Clinton seems to be the least likely person I would vote for. And to your last point, the single most important issue for me is single payer healthcare, so yeah, more reason to not vote for Clinton, since, you know, she's so against it?
.

you do know that Clinton was more Left than Obama in 2008 on Healthcare, right?

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Bernie will do well in Northern 95%+ white states. (Iowa, NH)

Bernie will do shit when the Primaries move to more diverse states

Bernie is toast by Super Tuesday


you do know that Clinton was more Left than Obama in 2008 on Healthcare, right?

We are not voting for 2008 Clinton. You know that, right?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

We are not voting for 2008 Clinton. You know that, right?

Isn't she more liberal now than 2008?

 

[Funky Papa]

We are not voting for 2008 Clinton. You know that, right?

IKR. It's like the American people get to vote for a new Clinton every four years.

 

[rjinaz]

We are not voting for 2008 Clinton. You know that, right?

Especially with Clinton going after Sanders for his single payer plan

 

[VendettaRed07]

Clinton showing contempt for the public by misrepresenting Sanders on healthcare. Expanding Medicare "eliminates Medicare"?
.

It does if the system sanders implements gives republican governors the right to deny the healthcare expansion.

Whether that is true or not is the real question. The Supreme Court gave the states the right to deny the poverty gap Medicaid expansion. So it doesn't seem like a completely ridiculous claim to make. Though I am unsure, as this stuff gets complicated, but people don't seem to be understanding the criticism Chelsea and Hillary are bringing up.

 

[Volimar]

Would Bernie stump for democrat candidates?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Bernie will do well in Northern 95%+ white states. (Iowa, NH)

Bernie will do shit when the Primaries move to more diverse states

Bernie is toast by Super Tuesday

Get real!

 

[Volimar]

Get real!

I don't know about toast, but I agree that he's going to have trouble after NH. It depends on how well he does with any momentum he builds up.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I don't think backing the establishment because they have money raised from corporate forces and a candidate because she has name recognition is a sane course of action, especially considering they are all representative of the forces that need to be taken to task and that's clear as day.

This is why Trump is so popular, too. People are tired of the status quo.

 

[reckless]

And we're 3 weeks out from the primaries. People are going to have to start thinking hard about what values they support in a candidate, and what they want to represent quickly.

If people are going to use Clinton is "more electable in a general" weak defense, it WILL be thrown back.

I don't think backing the establishment because they have money raised from corporate forces and a candidate because she has name recognition is a sane course of action, especially considering they are all representative of the forces that need to be taken to task and that's clear as day.

I will state it, Bernie is the best person to take on someone like Trump, not Hillary who Trump can smash all day for her corporate ties. He can say Bernie is a socialist all he wants, but socialism is just a name. The democratic, independent and republican disenfranchised voters will rally behind him like they have been doing because of his message that in some way, every one of those bases supports.

Electability is not a weak defense and its a pretty important part of a presidential candidate.

It really doesn't matter in most cases who gets elected, all of Bernie's major revolution type plans need congress and they sure as hell aren't going to help him.

Socialism is a very powerful word, it and communism have been subject to decades of propaganda just handwaiving that aside by saying everyone will suddenly support him because reasons is not very comforting.

Still waiting on Bernie uniting everyone during the primaries, if you like it or not Bernie has problems with his support mostly being one demographic. He can't even rally that many democrats to him, but somehow he is going to get republicans and independents...how?

 

[Volimar]

Don't forget http://www.isidewith.com/

This is why Trump is so popular, too. People are tired of the status quo.

People are always tired of the status quo, right before they re-elect their representatives.

 

[gutter_trash]

Get real!

I am

 

[Inuhanyou]

Would Bernie stump for democrat candidates?

He HAS stumped for them many times. Since the 70s, in the rainbow coalition for Jesse Jackson, and Obama has stumped for him as well.

It does if the system sanders implements gives republican governors the right to deny the healthcare expansion.

Whether that is true or not is the real question. The Supreme Court gave the states the right to deny the poverty gap Medicaid expansion. So it doesn't seem like a completely ridiculous claim to make. Though I am unsure because, as this stuff gets complicated, but people don't seem to be understanding the criticism Chelsea and Hillary are bringing up.

We do understand it though, because nowhere in Bernie's plan does it say that republican governors have the right to do such a thing. Bernie's camp has already come out strong about her and her daughter lying about that issue, that's why its been so controversial.

In the plan, it states that states only have the basic initial right to craft their own plans according to how their state is set up. But if they refuse to do so based on a minimum requirement set by the federal standard, it says explicitly that the federal clause will kick in and override the state rights on the issue, and a heath care expansion will be made for said state by the feds instead.

This is why Trump is so popular, too. People are tired of the status quo.

True, everyone is. But Bernie is the one putting forth real solutions, and people need to stop being treated like their idiots and get a chance to see that someone is on the right side for once. And this is the closes anyone has come to that in 40 years i would say

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Electability is not a weak defense and its a pretty important part of a presidential candidate.

It really doesn't matter in most cases who gets elected, all of Bernie's major revolution type plans need congress and they sure as hell aren't going to help him.

Socialism is a very powerful word, it and communism have been subject to decades of propaganda just handwaiving that aside by saying everyone will suddenly support him because reasons is not very comforting.

Still waiting on Bernie uniting everyone during the primaries, if you like it or not Bernie has problems with his support mostly being one demographic. He can't even rally that many democrats to him, but somehow he is going to get republicans and independents...how?

The question you have to ask yourself is why the hell would Sanders supporters go out to vote for moderate Democrats in midterm elections? How are you gonna win those seats in Nebraska or Michigan or Arkansas that require a certain type of candidate while your supporters will only accept the most liberal option?

It's a pipe dream. Not to mention gerrymandering.