Bernie Sanders is officially running for President as a Democrat
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Yellowtail
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At least the Tea Party (or at least the corporate backers that astroturfed the Tea Party) knew they had to mobilize and win elections at the local and state level to successfully make a difference. And they have. Too many Leftists just whine about the two party system and then think if they pull the lever once every four years for their chosen Presidential candidate all their problems will be solved.
A President Hillary with a Democratic Congress filled with Warrens and Browns and Sanders can do far more to advance the progressive cause than a President Warren with a GOP congress ever could.
A President Hillary with a Democratic Congress filled with Warrens and Browns and Sanders can do far more to advance the progressive cause than a President Warren with a GOP congress ever could.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Republicans attacked Obama for being a "socialist" (even though he's as capitalist as they come) twice, and he cleaned them out both times. So maybe the people voting for Obama just didn't care? And "white socialist from Vermont" running for President wouldn't enrage the base more than "black Muslim socialist from Kenya" did.
In the event that Sanders could win the nomination (unlikely, yes), it would mean that a large portion of Democrat voters were on board with him. And more than that, he would even be able to bring out left wing voters who traditionally vote for other candidates. I voted for Brian Moore in 2008 and Stewart Alexander in 2012, but if Sanders was nominated, I would pretty strongly consider voting for him, whereas there's a 0% chance of me ever voting for Hilary.
There's simply a large portion of people who would never consider voting for a Republican, and if Sanders won the nomination, then he's already proven that he's electable.
I don't think he could win the election, but that's just because I don't think he could beat Hilary in the primary. In the dream scenario where he does, he's already proven that people on a national level are willing to vote for him.
Well, I agree with this. Sanders is the person who I agree with 60-70% of the time, and Hilary and the Republican possibles are the ones who I agree with 0% of the time.
1) Sanders can't beat a Republican. A moderate democrat like Obama defeated an abysmal, boring Republican candidate like Romney just barely. You're greatly overestimating how many voters hold liberal progressive beliefs.
2) Unlike the Tea Party, leftists have literally centuries of ideological well-poisoning working against them. The Tea Party worked because it played to the narratives of personal freedom, patriotism, and dissent that have clouded all of American history. Leftists have the specter of Stalinst/Maoist communism and a history of red paranoia hanging over every little thing they say. For god's sake, Obama is to the right of -Nixon- of all people, and he has to beat off accusations of being a filthy communist daily.
Im sorry but the risk atleast to me is not worth taking. Ditto for the Republicans with a Ted Cruz general election
^^ This. Democrats got decimated in the Midterms and they wonder why Republican Governors are passing all kinds of conservative legislation around the country. Democrats gave them 30 legislative chambers and Governorships
Days like these...
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I'd vote for Sanders over Clinton no question. I think Clinton will get the nomination but I don't she's just going to steamroll Sanders and be coronated like many in this thread seen to think.
Yellowtail
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They haven't done this on the Presidential level since Goldwater. All of their nominees were chosen in large part because they were considered the most electable.
A lot of assumption going on here, implying that a Warren or Sanders president would mean a GOP Congress and that Hillary President would mean a Democrat Congress.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Are you comparing the one elected official in Washington right now who actually cares about the people of the country to a white supremacist?
But look at what's happened over time. "Most electable" is an image that has gone further to the right over the past few decades. A vote for Clinton further entrenches that trend. A vote for Sanders works to reverse it.
She's 67, he's 73. It's not too big of a difference.
This kind of healthy competition could be good for the Democrats, even if Clinton is still the favorite.
Deified Data
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Important to have actual liberals in the running, if only to push Clinton further left. She'll forget it all once she has the nomination but at least we'll have her on record.
Yellowtail
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No it hasn't. Romney and McCain were to the left of George W. and Reagan, and Obama is to the left of Bill Clinton (and Hillary is also to the left of her husband).
If anything losing elections forces a party to overlook ideological purity and move back to the "center" (which has been shifted by the other party) to win.
He's nominally independent, he caucuses with the Democrats, kind of like Angus King. I like to think the northeast is more developed politically in that independents have more of a fighting chance in elections.
WayneMorse
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This is the funniest shit I've read all week.
Given that both of them are "extremist" darlings of their respective parties who haven't a snowball's chance of winning, yes I am.
Well at any rate, I'm voting for Sanders over Hillary when the time comes. Hillary is like a nice, good quality Oatmeal cookie. No problem with that at all, but when the Bernie Sanders parfait is on the table and there's just no contest. So in the (extremely likely) event that Hillary beats him out for the nomination, I'll vote for her then.
...Fuck I'm hungry.
...Fuck I'm hungry.
TacticalFox88
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What? Barely?
Obama SHIT STOMPED Romeny. It wasn't even close.
He's one of the few Presidents to get over 50% of the popular vote in BOTH his elections.
adamsappel
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With Sanders in the race, Hillary won't be able to just pretend she's the candidate "for the people" and she'll have to agree or disagree with someone who actually is.
51.1% of the popular vote is not a shitstomping, despite his definitive electoral college victory. You should probably check your history a little more closely on your second claim, too.
2. You might wanna recheck your 1st claim. In the past era of what you described, many elections fit that bill like 32', 36', 52', 56', 64', 72', 80' 84' 88'. Those elections were what you described.
12' is far from what you described.
Well the electoral college is what matters.
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with Hillary's money, he would'nt
Battersea Power Station
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He knows he has no shot. He's running to make Hillary, or any Democratic frontrunner, seem more moderate to swing states.
Aaron Strife
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I don't really have any issue voting for Hillary in the general election, but fuck, Bernie is great. He's got my vote in the primary.
shadowsdarknes
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Sounds like I need to register as Democrat to give him my primary vote.
Coriolanus
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I like this theory that not only all of the moderates that would be scared by sanders would instantly go for the crazy train is the republican primary, but that they'd do so in such a volume that it would perma-lock both houses and the presidency on republican control.
Because that's what moderates do. And then...
And how many of those were democrats trying to play republican-lite?
They had people running that were afraid to say that they voted for the black guy. They deserved exactly what they got.
Fucksake, dems couldnt take down rick scott. Rick. fucking. Scott.
That election wasn't close at all though. Gore vs Bush was close, he'll even Bush vs Kerry was closer.
OldAsUrSock
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People vote like that because the voting system is flawed by causing people to only vote for the most likely person you dislike that you would rather have win over some other guy. I doubt the American voting system will change for a long time to fix this issue.
minor effort
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That's pretty similar to how I feel. I can vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she's nominated (lol if), but I want to give Bernie Sanders as much of a platform boost as I can during the primaries.
The Technomancer
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Yeah basically
Are you suggesting Hillary is Republican-lite and the Democrats would be better off with a left leaning nominee thereby avoiding a similar Midterm fate for running Republican-lite candidates?
That would be an intriguing analysis worth discussing.
Buddha Beam
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My man Bernie. I might go so far as to go door to door for him. He'll probably be crushed by Clinton since he's "just another old white man", but I think the potential for him to catch fire is there.
Coriolanus
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I am suggesting that you provided no basis whatsoever to justify your assumption that whatever voters might potentially be scared of sanders would instead find sweet solace in the clown car that already is the republican primary.
shoplifter
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I'll vote for Bernie in the primary and the candidate that is the furthest to the left in the general. The dems can go to hell.
Edit: /// and I still won't vote for her
Edit: /// and I still won't vote for her
You certainly are right. Its a massive assumption but a Sanders nomination is ultimately a risk I dont believe the party or most Democratic primary voters will risk taking. A Sanders win is certainly better than the clown car although the degree to how he could win is very tricky and not absolute.
Bingo.
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