He released what was widely regarded as the best album of 2014.
Bernie Sanders reaches Two Million Individual Contributions
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He released what was widely regarded as the best album of 2014.
Another Sander's thread derailed by Cheebo. Color me surprised.
It's great to see, regardless of the end outcome, that presidential candidates CAN get generous funding from the public to a run a campaign without corporation funding. Maybe one day everybody will have to rely on that. I can only hope.
It's great to see, regardless of the end outcome, that presidential candidates CAN get generous funding from the public to a run a campaign without corporation funding. Maybe one day everybody will have to rely on that. I can only hope.
Are Bernie posts bat signals for you to go and dampen on their fun?
I did donate to Bernie because he's talking about issues that I want discussed. I'm going to vote for whoever the democratic nominee is but you coming into every Bernie thread / post and saying what people already understand adds no value and is fucking annoying.
Off topic: Do you even listen to music?
I agree the condescension coming from a lot of Hillary supporters pisses me off. Especially the whole "Sanders supporters are all privileged diet racists" thing that took hold here and in poligaf for a while. I've ranted about it in the past.
At the same time people who say Hilary is the same as a republican, and they'll never vote for her in a general are not being rational, to put it lightly. Luckily, from what i can tell, not many Sanders supporters actually plan on sitting out the election/voting republican if he doesn't get the nom. It's usually just a straw man brought up by Hilary supporters to fling mud, but there are some who tend to be vocal and they deserve to be called out.
Henchmen21
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Two things wrong with that statement.
1. It's not based on any evidence (especially considering the Senate might not be in the GOP hands after the election) since Bernie has spent his entire career working with both sides to get things done.
2. Even if that were true, how would Hillary somehow magically get things done if Bernie couldn't considering she's hated even more by the GOP than he is.
Still a mystery to me. They need to constantly remind everybody Hilary is going to win because they are 100% sure, yet why they even bother to post on every single Bernie thread to remind everybody is what doesn't make sense to me.
best just to ignore it
TheLostBigBoss
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To be fair, Bernie has always said that people need to vote in a democratic senate and house in order to get most of his idea in law.
He has never just said "Ill fix everything myself".
The only thing that twists Cheebo up more than Bernie supporters is people talking about voting third party. Nader wounded him deep.
ghostofsparta
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2 of those were from me 
zero shift
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And neither will almost any of Hillary's promises or really anyone else's in this grindlock congress we have. You think a $12/ hour minimum wage or shadow banking reforms will make it through the House and Senate? Regardless this completely misses the entire point of what most Bernie supporters are saying. Many diehard Bernie supporters state that there needs to be a grassroots movement of motivating disfranchised voters to go to the booths to vote. Everyone knows that the Democrats mainly lose the senate due to voters staying home. If disenfranchised voters would be motivated to vote, it would move the country far more left, especially with a message of taking a hard stance on corporate influence in Washington and pushing a stance on economic freedom. This is why the two million individual contributions is such a huge number.
It is hardly the best plan ever. And even if it would work, I highly doubt that it would be after one presidential election. However, I fail to see how that is significantly less "pragmatic" than getting a president candidate in office who, while is a near shoe-in for the title, won't get anything passed due to a gridlocked electorate mostly due to a gridlock electorate. It didn't work for Obama.
Personally as someone who wants Bernie to win, but is fully aware that I will be voting for Hillary for the upcoming election, both sides seem pretty damn naive.
Spider from Mars
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Why would she pick him? What does he bring to the table? She is going to pick someone like Julian Castro.
Most people talking about voting third party are barely even familiar with the third party candidates. I mean how much time and news has Jill Stein actually garnered, barely any. The whole lopsided political spectrum ensures you need to run democrat or republican if you want any type of media coverage, funding or capability. I'd love for at least two third party candidates on a national debate stage if not for anything else but to educate the populace of alternative forms of the political spectrum.
While nice, I think Bernie will only leave a legacy where his views and values are carried on by a generation of people moving forward. His revolutionary call to upheave the establishment is not nearly as large as it needs to be to get what he argues, and that's a shame. Much of what he argues is reasonable, but Americans are far from reasonable.
For now, we must settle for an oligarch who will very likely not aim for the things he constantly talks about. Do we really expect Hillary to support single payer after she turned her back on it last year for the medical industry that profits from the sick model we have today? No, just stopgaps with the ACA, which are very clearly not enough in the slightest. We can't even get a decent system to match the most barebones of models from the 20th century..
For now, we must settle for an oligarch who will very likely not aim for the things he constantly talks about. Do we really expect Hillary to support single payer after she turned her back on it last year for the medical industry that profits from the sick model we have today? No, just stopgaps with the ACA, which are very clearly not enough in the slightest. We can't even get a decent system to match the most barebones of models from the 20th century..
Far too old to be the VP for her, plus he brings nothing to the table other than young white voters. It'll be someone young like Castro that can energize minorities.
Henchmen21
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No you don't. While yes FPTP necessitates a two party system, it doesn't follow that either party has to be the Dems or Repubs.
Yeah for me it's more like being part of a movement more than anything else. It's fun and certainly more interesting for me to just go with the inevitable Clinton. I know some people don't even want others to vote for Bernie because they see his campaign as more harm than good. I can respect that, even if I disagree. I have no illusions as to who is ultimately going to win this thing.
Completely anecdotal but I know more Latinos supporting Sanders than Whites.
Orbis Tabula
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#notallberniefans
#notallhillaryfans
#notallhillaryfans
touche. No one person speaks for the larger group. Generalizing is a horrible practice.
Henchmen21
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No we shouldn't. I know you're a Bernie fan Foffy, and all the constant negativity about Bernie has probably gotten you down on him but don't. He needs us just as much as we need him. He has a real chance.
BennyBlanco
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All bernie supporters are gonna vote for Hillary anyway. He adds nothing to her ticket.
Elfforkusu
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And_Gignac
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Let it all out dude.You are way too invested in your hate for Sanderistas. Bernie wont win we get it, but this attitude is GOP-tier tbh.
Bernie has changed the landscape and narrative of the Democratic Party, in the sense of re-solidifying their long lost values after the Reagan years. He has helped condensate the narrative of "millenial" politics, and this generation will follow suit with his message during the next decades. I would say he won, in history.
Spider from Mars
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Those who don't vote for her aren't voting on policy then, since she and Bernie see eye to eye, more or less, on most issues. They are voting based on personality, which is why a lot of my Paul supporter friends have moved to Bernie.
I stand with Bernie because I'm an issue guy. The fact he's the only one who honestly called climate change our number one problem takes a lot of balls, and may have been a catalyst that outright killed his potential to Americans, typically the ones who live in fear for ISIS and are apathetic to the bi-daily mass shootings here. Macro scale issues usurp micro level ones, and it seems many people miss that here. Then again, America is a home of ignorance even on the issue of climate change, despite us being the greatest offender per capita..
The upheaval Bernie wants is sincere and with great reason, but I wonder and argue if it will be through reason and sincerity we get the change we need. Might it be through futility instead? That things have to be so much like a vice grip that people stop trying to play the game of life on the terms we evocate and demand a change in action, or risk being a non-joiner? That seems to be the direction we're going on every issue, for people are still trying to work within a society where the minimum wage is sub-minimal, health care is still cancerous, and college is getting more red flags than green ones, and that's just on affordability. I'm sure Hillary will do something to some of these, but of course, it's not enough. I already know her stance on college affordability but adding a sort of indebted servitude is just laughable, but people are for it because how bad the arrangement of college affordability is as is. We're working in that domain of patchwork, and it seems too many people are still too eager to become well adjusted to a sick system.
We might need the suffrage to be so vast that it demands a kind of social revolt. Occupy Wall Street was something of the kind, but it didn't really make a demand, only raise awareness. I'm sure even with Bernie as a president that trend would continue as is, so it's probably more of waiting for the bubble to burst. Mix climate change with a bad college system, with poor wages, with automated jobs, and with a busted health care system and there ought to be a plenum of collapse somewhere, no? The whole rig is hollow, here. I'm waiting for enough people to say "this shit has got to go!" because that's how we move forward.
PhoenixDark
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Sanders offers absolutely nothing to the ticket. He is not from an important state, he is not good on the stump/speeches, he's not particularly good with any important demographics, etc. Hillary is going to win the youth vote, she doesn't need Bernie for that.
I like Sanders but as I've said multiple times he's not a good politician. Part of that is due to his honesty, another is due to him simply not being someone who walks in a room and appeals to multiple types of people. He's loud, abrasive, 70+ years old, not a good speaker, not charismatic, etc. He's simply the wrong candidate to run against a political machine. Obama was/is a masterful politician who appealed to multiple democrat demographics on a very deep level. He built the type of broad coalition required to beat Hillary. Sanders has shown an inability to do that. A lot of that is due to low information voters having no reason not to vote for the candidate they know (Hillary); she has higher name ID, is running a historic campaign (first female president) and his running as the heir to a popular president. Those types of voters naturally gravitated to Obama but have no reason to do it with Sanders due to the flaws I mentioned.
Typically, you don't pick an ideologue for your VP - see Palin for why.
Atomic Playboy
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I'm sorry, did you say "ideologue" or "dimwit"? People didn't decry that pick because Palin was too conservative, they decried it because she was really, breathtakingly dumb. Bernie Sanders wouldn't have a moment where he was unable to name a single publication that he read; sure, it might be issues of Pravda from 1961, but he'd still come up with an answer.
First post reads like it's from a sports thread or something. Par for the course, unfortunately.
As far as the VP stuff goes, I doubt either candidate is remotely interested in running with the other.
titiklabingapat
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If Sander's ceiling is 30% or so, then that means he has more supporter than Trump at this point in time. Or he is at least reaching parity. His supporters are also younger compared to Trump's (who will probably die off in the next 20 to 30 years), and is probably the future of the Democratic party. They can at least take comfort in that and I hope Bernie's hard work of laying the foundations of the new Left pays off later.
Trump is closing in on 40% now FYI.
So what you're saying is... he's the hero America deserves... but not the one it needs right now?
titiklabingapat
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Yeah I know. It's why I included the parity caveat.
There are also still more registered Democrats in this country compared to Republicans.
Robot Pants
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Sick sonic avatar bro.
Get out.
Run the Jewels was all praised all over GAF when it came out.
Keep in mind that's partly because after W a lot of republicans went independent out of embarrassment, which is why the numbers were so funky in 2012.
Coriolanus
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What? No. The opposite.
So I should vote for the Hlldawg cause she's the pretty and popular girl at POPTUS high?
titiklabingapat
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She is also to the left of Obama on domestic issues, which makes her closest to Bernie's positions than Obama ever was.
She'll get my vote if she gets the nom, only then...
Heavy_D206
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I just can't vote for Hillary.
Bernie 4 Life!
Bernie 4 Life!
Yeah it's not like it wasn't one of the most talked about album on GAF last year. I think it was voted album of the year too if I remember correctly.
Acting like Hillary has concrete positions is laughable.
If you're in a swing state, I'd at least consider the notion that we need to ensure that Bernie's causes live to fight another day. Bernie might not win this particular round, but there'll come a day when a candidate just like him will win. He'll get into office, and he'll begin enacting policies that would make Bernie proud. And it would suck to have a conservative judiciary sitting there, ready and waiting to kill anything substantial that comes before them for consideration.
If Bernie drops out and encourages a vote for her, this is almost certainly a key consideration in his decision process. She's by no means perfect, but she'd be gone in 4 or 8 years. If we elect Bernie 2.0 in the 2020s, we can't afford to kneecap him in 2016.
TheLostBigBoss
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If you're voting for Sanders then you most likely share the vast majority of Hilary's views.
When I did https://www.isidewith.com/ Bernie got like a 95% and Hilary got around a 92%.
titiklabingapat
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