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[ahoyhoy]

People like both because they are articulate, respected, long standing members of government who actually have strong personal philosophies that go against the established centrist, benign political climate that focuses on walking on egg shells whilst addressing non-issues en masse.

Sanders aligns more with my personal political leanings, but I would love to see how either would alter the political climate of Washington.

 

[many places]

This is blowing my mind because I never thought the left would devolve into this similarly ridiculous ideology but it has. Bernie is basically mirroring what Ron Paul did on the right in 2008 and 2012. Neither of them ever had a chance and yet you get these threads here of people saying "oh man, he had a few thousand and sold out at this arena, he's gonna win!" It's incredible how much it seems like its the same thing. I guess support him if you enjoy it but please know how utterly pointless it is.

are u inebriated?

 

[linkandzelda]

If he's not going to win, then he's not going to win. I don't see why people should support only those candidates who are likely to win.

 

[Kusagari]

Sanders represents a very real part of the Democratic base that has only been growing in size.

 

[Oersted]

And there it is. I won't take the time to search but I'm willing to bet dozens of people on GAF supported Paul in either 2008 or 2012 who now support Sanders despite polar opposite policies. They are in love with populism, not real policies.

You surely won't. And does someone have to explain that a former XY supporter joining the YX camp doesn't make XY and YX the same?

 

[Necromanti]

I haven't seen anyone (or at least, not many) say that Bernie stands a chance, personally. Especially not on this forum. If anything, those people usually follow up with saying that they'll begrudgingly vote for Hillary.

 

[rjinaz]

Quoted because I knew it would annoy the OP.

I'm really not sure why you are so "annoyed" OP. Is it because people have other views than you do, or is it simply because they are not already willing to concede and vote for Hilary? How about we wait until a couple of debates to happen first before deciding anything either way?

 

[pgtl_10]

not really

because Ron Paul attracted independents, libertarians and paleoconservatives (the latter means early 20th Century non-interventionist and pro isolationist conservatives)

however Paul isn't a neo-conservatives like the rest of the Republican party. He doesn't brandish that Extreme-Right Wing aspect that ultra-conservatives like Walker and Cruz are espousing.

Berine Sanders is not the same as Ron Paul

Sanders represents what Democrats would really want to be but are too afriad to be.

Sanders is a left wing socio-democrat that appeals to Democrats who aren't afraid to be Liberal and aren't afraid to hide that word.


Ron Paul is not an ultra neo-conservative fascist like Ted Cruz or Walker. Ron Paul is a Libertarian and a paleoconservtive.

So Paul does not equal Sanders

Just because you don't want to fight a war doesn't make you an isolationist.

 

[injurai]

Sanders represents a very real part of the Democratic base that has only been growing in size.

I hope he wins, but if not it's only a matter of time. I don't see a republican president lasting two terms if they win this coming election.

 

[Team Alucard]

What I really want to know is if there's anyone out there who actually supports Martin O'Malley. >.>

 

[demon]

Sanders represents a very real part of the Democratic base that has only been growing in size.

Former Ron Paul supporters who don't care about policy, you mean?

 

[ahoyhoy]

If he's not going to win, then he's not going to win. I don't see why people should support only those candidates who are likely to win.

Because our voting system is fucked up and demands people support the lesser of two evils.

If we were actually to give something like runoff voting a chance, we might see people start to vote for candidates that actually best represent their personal views without fearing their vote being thrown away.

 

[KHarvey16]

I don't think his chances are very good right now, but I think what sets him apart is that his platform represents where we, as a country, are inevitably headed.

 

[Makai]

And there it is. I won't take the time to search but I'm willing to bet dozens of people on GAF supported Paul in either 2008 or 2012 who now support Sanders despite polar opposite policies. They are in love with populism, not real policies.

This doesn't describe me. Ron Paul got me interested in politics, but then I learned the real consequence of ideas such as the gold standard. Better systems exist that we can emulate. When it comes to economic policy, the Scandinavian countries might be the best in the world. That's Bernie.

 

[gutter_trash]

Just because you don't want to fight a war doesn't make you an isolationist.

LOL
Ron Paul is an isolationist, have you ever listened to him talk?

Donald Trump now... now you got your self a Right Wing fuck-you I got mine Conservative who could be comparable to Bernie Sander a compasionate "everybody deserves a shot" socio-democrat

 

[Courage]

yeah but did Ron Paul get a Lil B cosign?

 

[Goodstyle]

I could see Bernie Sanders getting elected if he were running in some country in Europe. Ron Paul wouldn't get elected anywhere. Also, Ron Paul was/is the candidate of choice of wacko conspiracy theorists, while Bernie Sanders is the candidate of choice of dipshit idealists. Slight difference.

Well said.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are diametric opposites.

 

[Kusagari]

Former Ron Paul supporters who don't care about policy, you mean?

Yeah because all of the Gaffers on here supporting him loved Ron Paul right?

I certainly don't remember myself shitting all over him.

 

[Pakkidis]

The difference to me is Ron Paul was always seen as a fringe candidate.

Bernie Sanders is considered number 2 and Hilary is number 1.

I think its sad that so many people agree with Bernie but won't vote for him because they think he won't win... you get the government you deserve sometimes.

 

[ShaunBRS]

Bernie Sanders is just a poor man's Mike Gravel.

 

[benjipwns]

I think this is really the only response needed.

Bernie Sanders is a just poor man's Mike Gravel.

Or this. I mean, neither Bernie nor Ron ever pulled off something like that Pentagon Papers stunt.

 

[Nicktals]

He won't make a dent in the primary and bernie sanders supporters are as delusional and annoying as Ron Paul supporters.

What countries that had exhibited success for long periods of time was Paul basing his ideas on?

Also, was he a racist, or did he fight for civil rights?

 

[pgtl_10]

His views on Palestine and Israel are troubling

What view is that?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

For all the talk of Bernie Sanders not having a chance, he is more likely to get the nomination than anyone who isn't Clinton, Bush or Rubio. Regardless of how his campaign ultimately goes, I think it's great to steer the national political discussion in a more progressive direction.

 

[reckless]

The difference to me is Ron Paul was always seen as a fringe candidate.

Bernie Sanders is considered number 2 and Hilary is number 1.

I think its sad that so many people agree with Bernie but won't vote for him because they think he won't win... you get the government you deserve sometimes.

Well he wouldn't...

Those are some bad numbers for someone that calls himself a socialist.

 

[Soyongdori]

What view is that?

The one that favors Israel.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Bernie Sanders is just a poor man's Mike Gravel.

I was rooting for him to be the internet favorite in 2008, but I think Ron Paul's platform was different enough to draw the crowd in comparison.

 

[Jawbreaker]

LOL
Ron Paul is an isolationist, have you ever listened to him talk?

Donald Trump now... now you got your self a Right Wing fuck-you I got mine Conservative who could be comparable to Bernie Sander a compasionate "everybody deserves a shot" socio-democrat

I don't think you understand the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism, but that's a pretty common mistake so you shouldn't feel too bad. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist, which means he favors free trade and is against protectionism, which is what largely distinguishes the two.

 

[User 250141]

This is blowing my mind because I never thought the left would devolve into this similarly ridiculous ideology but it has. Bernie is basically mirroring what Ron Paul did on the right in 2008 and 2012. Neither of them ever had a chance and yet you get these threads here of people saying "oh man, he had a few thousand and sold out at this arena, he's gonna win!" It's incredible how much it seems like its the same thing. I guess support him if you enjoy it but please know how utterly pointless it is.

Or what Howard Dean did on the left in 2004

 

[Acorn]

Well he wouldn't...


Those are some bad numbers for someone that calls himself a socialist.

Joe McCarthy lives

 

[onadesertedisland]

The reality of Sanders winning the nomination is an unlikely possibility. What his campaign is good for is to push the Democrats away from failing centrist policies and appeasement. Democrats should oppose republican attempts to further the social divide between classes.

 

[Jawbreaker]

yeah but did Ron Paul get a Lil B cosign?

 

[Nicktals]

And there it is. I won't take the time to search but I'm willing to bet dozens of people on GAF supported Paul in either 2008 or 2012 who now support Sanders despite polar opposite policies. They are in love with populism, not real policies.

Can you tell us why you supported Paul? Can you tell us his voting record, and whether it had an impact on you voting for him or not?

 

[benjipwns]

I was rooting for him to be the internet favorite in 2008, but I think Ron Paul's platform was different enough to draw the crowd in comparison.

Gravel wasn't really known since he had disappeared for almost three decades. Ron Paul was more "out there" in the years prior. He also had a fundraising machine. And was for the most part actually let into debates, even if only so Rudy or someone could lecture him on 9/11.

 

[gutter_trash]

Sanders will do well in Iowa and New Hampshire but that is where it ends.

When the primaries start moving towards more diversified and more complex states: Hillary has it in the bag

 

[JustenP88]

I don't even know how to respond to this thread. Fucking what? Hillary has ONE nearly legitimate competitor and anybody who supports him is "annoying"? Are you that afraid of her losing the nomination?

 

[pgtl_10]

LOL
Ron Paul is an isolationist, have you ever listened to him talk?

Donald Trump now... now you got your self a Right Wing fuck-you I got mine Conservative who could be comparable to Bernie Sander a compasionate "everybody deserves a shot" socio-democrat

I have and in no way did he want to isolate the US. He wanted to go do business with everyone. That makes him libertarian but not isolationist.

 

[DOG3NZAKA]

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are diametric opposites.

Exactly. Bernie is as hardcore, liberal, left wing as you can possibly get.

Spoiler

As to why I see eye to eye with him on everything

 

[benjipwns]

One thing Sanders supporters could do is learn from the 2012 Paul supporters and infest the state and local parties while everyone else focuses on a foregone Presidential nomination.

 

[Team Alucard]

Exactly. Bernie is as hardcore, liberal, left wing as you can possibly get.

Spoiler

As to why I see eye to eye with him on everything

Maybe in America, but his ideas aren't anywhere near that radical on a global level.

I mean the way some people talk about him you'd think the guy was a communist.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Bernie's policies appeal to normal, sane human beings. Ron Paul's only appealed to rich fucks, and people who believed with lots of bootstraps they too could become rich fucks.

Ron Paul's "let's dismantle virtually the entire government" mantra was never going to win. Bernie's "let's have healthcare and a better social welfare system" very well could.

 

[JustenP88]

Exactly. Bernie is as hardcore, liberal, left wing as you can possibly get.

Spoiler

As to why I see eye to eye with him on everything

*for a US politician

He wouldn't be a batshit crazy socialist in most developed nations.

One thing Sanders supporters could do is learn from the 2012 Paul supporters and infest the state and local parties while everyone else focuses on a foregone Presidential nomination.

What do you mean by "infest"?

 

[pgtl_10]

I don't think you understand the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism, but that's a pretty common mistake so you shouldn't feel too bad. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist, which means he favors free trade and is against protectionism, which is what largely distinguishes the two.

Isolationism would be something akin to North Korea. Unfortunately people think you have to fight wars to avoid being isolationist.

I figure Switzerland is closer to what Ron Paul has in mind.

 

[Jawbreaker]

Or what Howard Dean did on the left in 2004

But is Bernie capable of producing a Dean Scream?

 

[Nicktals]

Bingo.

Who was 2008's internet candidate?

EDIT: Because, at least in my experience...it was Obama.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well he wouldn't...


Those are some bad numbers for someone that calls himself a socialist.

You can win the general election with 47% support.

Not to mention that once Sanders gets his message out there, some of those "no" people might find that they agree with him on a lot of issues.

Exactly. Bernie is as hardcore, liberal, left wing as you can possibly get.

Spoiler

As to why I see eye to eye with him on everything

This is not even remotely true. He's left of the center, but he's hardly a hardcore leftist.

 

[JustenP88]

But is Bernie capable of producing a Dean Scream?

He's like 73. He's literally physically incapable of a Dean Scream.

You can win the general election with 47% support.

Not to mention that once Sanders gets his message out there, some of those "no" people might find that they agree with him on a lot of issues.

Also, a socialist in America would pretty much have to be a Democrat. Every other demographic listed in that image could go to either party. I imagine, not a whole lot more than 50% of the country would've said they'd vote for a Democrat in that poll.

EDIT: Just realized that poll already had voters separated by party. Whoops.

 

[theusedversion]

Lol. OP is salty as fuck. Thanks for letting me know that I was a Ron Paul supporter because all this time, I thought I didn't give a single fuck about him. Trying to discredit his supporters as bandwagon followers is shitty. Only annoying person in this thread is you, OP. XD

 

[gutter_trash]

Or what Howard Dean did on the left in 2004

the media really over-killed the Dean scream and the angry Dean bit too much.

IMO, Dean would have been better than freakin' John Kerry

would be awesome if Sanders picked Dean as his VEEP... Vermont invasion