excelsiorlef
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It's the primaries. Support whoever you want.
Bernie Sanders = Ron Paul
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It's the primaries. Support whoever you want.
Why aren't "democrat" and "republican" on that list? Or Libertarian? Or Tea Part?
Maninthemirror
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Ron Paul attracted center and right of center people who thought they were moderate or conservative but they were really libertarian
Bernie sanders is attracting center and left of center people who thought they are moderate or progressive but they are really socialist leaning without being socialists
Bernie sanders is attracting center and left of center people who thought they are moderate or progressive but they are really socialist leaning without being socialists
old manatee
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Sure, let's all vote for Bush or Clinton.
gutter_trash
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Trump and Clinton you mean
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Ron Paul would win in Canada.
onadesertedisland
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Once a Socialist candidate demonstrates policy ideas on the national stage, I think some of the stigma surrounding the word will subside. Most people will agree with his positions, but are biased due to the decades old propaganda that has slandered Socialism and Socialist policies. His candidacy may open the way for legitimate Socialist candidates in the future and pave the way for a better future for all Americans.
CrankyKong
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If Hillary is so inevitable, why can't people just enjoy supporting other candidates?
Yeah, in that way, they're equal. But equating someone who is 10 times for equal rights, and supporting someone who is 10 times against equal rights, still can't be viewed as equal in my mind....
I don't know if that's a character flaw of mine or not.
I can't even wrap my head around that election season. Clinton just just stand in silence for the entirety of each debate and come out on top.
Bernie Sanders is not a socialist. I wish people realize that.
gutter_trash
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no he wouldn't because he doesn't speak French hahahaha
seriously, Ron Paul would scrap the Canada Health Act.
There is one sacred cow in Canada that you cannot touch and that is Public Health Care
He literally describes himself as a democratic socialist. And I mean good? Sanders is the only candidate who is genuinely left leaning. Hilldawg will be a right of center Dem, just like Obama. Our political discourse has been terribly tilted to the right. It's gross.
Jill Stein 2016!
benjipwns
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The Paul people took over positions in the state and local parties by exploiting the system (aka following the party bylaws), and then the party establishment had to fight to clean a lot of them and their candidates out over the last four years. This is one reason Mitch McConnell had to hire up Paul people for his re-election. Rand had sucked a lot of people into positions of value within the Kentucky GOP.
Seriously. I don't think Bernie will win the primary, but why not vote for him if he supports my views?
I never liked Ron Paul. But I'm fully behind Bernie. Went Obama both elections. I think Bernie stands a stronger chance than Paul did, too.
Please don't make it sound like Paul supporters back then are all Bernie supporters know. They have key differences in their ideology.
I think this country needs a lot more socialism and people need to stop being so scared of the word. We are already very socialist in a lot of ways. Let's embrace it.
Please don't make it sound like Paul supporters back then are all Bernie supporters know. They have key differences in their ideology.
I think this country needs a lot more socialism and people need to stop being so scared of the word. We are already very socialist in a lot of ways. Let's embrace it.
Realistically a candidate giving up 40% of their own party's votes, giving up 50% of the independent votes and 75% of republican votes before saying a word is a candidate doomed to fail.
Socialist is one of the most hated traits of a politician. Even if he convinced half the people that are currently saying no to consider a vote for him he would still be significantly down compared to any non-socialist candidate.
Currently in the U.S he's able to to push the narrative left during the primaries which would be very nice, similar to the tea party moved which moved it to the right, but he is unelectable right now.
benjipwns
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That'd be throwing your vote away! Vote Hillary or Die!
Because what if everyone else does that and he wins the nomination?!?
travisbickle
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gutter_trash
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if people are calling Sanders a socialist than it is fair to call Ted Cruz, Rick Santroum and Scott Walker as fascists.
onadesertedisland
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I'd label them far right ideologues.
Its not just other people saying that, he describes himself as a socialist.
Maninthemirror
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Well technically on their view they are fascist leaning without being blatantly fascist
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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OP, your attempts to be a "tells it like it is" cynical realist are more annoying than anything I've seen from any Bernie supporter. People like him because he's intelligent, principled, a good man, has a shit-ton of experience in government, and is the only truly left candidate out there. Most recognize he can't win, but as long as he's out there, he's an asset to progressivism. Who gives a damn if a few kids convince themselves wrongly that he had a shit? They're kids.
Again, you don't see democrat or republican on that survey, do you?
Why is this still touted around?
As long as we're calling people what they really are.
I don't care what he calls himself. He is not a socialist. He might be a social Democrat at best but he is not a socialist.
KuwabaraTheMan
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He calls himself a democratic socialist. He's not an actual socialist.
While that distinction might not matter to most republicans, I think it probably would matter to some of those 40% of Democrats who said no. Same goes for some independents (at least the ones who are on the left rather than just being libertarian nutters).
Terra Firma
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Only thing that I liked about Ron Paul was his foreign policy. I like more about Bernie Sanders than just his foreign policy (I guess my Canadian-ness is showing).
Pretty much all of this. Actually, all of it.
I just registered as a Democrat so I could do so, but what I said still stands if, say, Sanders were to run as a third party candidate and you wanted to support him without fear of robbing the Center Left Dem candidate a vote.
Omega Ultimus
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Here's another part of the Gallup poll:
I wonder how much of the 18-29 age demographic are actually going to vote this year?
You also seem to be willfully ignoring that most people answered that way because they were uneducated.
I plan on voting for her if she wins the Green Party nomination. If not, then I'll most likely vote for Cynthia McKinney.
Perfect Blue
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In the most shallow and superficial ways, sure.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Saved for later.
Almost none of them, the same as every dating back to prehistoric times.
Starfish Hero
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Anyone who thinks Hilary has the nomination "in the bag" has a short memory. She had 2008 in the bag too, until she didn't.
That's not what isolationism means in the contest of US politics and history. It has nothing to do with shutting yourself off from the rest of the world and refusing to trade with people. It's about not getting into permanent (if any) political alliances and avoiding foreign wars. It's not an economic policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism
The only reason Ron Paul was unelectable is because of how corrupt the media was and still is and also because of how rigged things are in general. If it was fair chances are he would of at the very least won the republican nomination. They never did let him get his one on one debates in because they knew nobody stood a chance.
Perfect Blue
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That's because Barack Obama was a once in a lifetime kind of candidate. There is no one remotely similar to Obama in 2008 this go around.
Team Alucard
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Obama ran the greatest campaign of all time and Hillary's lead wasn't anywhere near as large in 08 as it is this time.
I love Bern but he really doesn't have a chance.
Scott32020
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One candidate is a central planner and the other is pro-total free markets+anti-cronyism. The only similarities are probably somewhat on foreign policy and the demographics of their supporters. (I don't know Bernie's civil liberties' positions, may be similar there)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Except she does. Bernie isn't nearly as strong of a candidate as his fans would lead you to believe.
You know a candidate has no chance to win when the primary justification for their potential victory is young people actually showing to vote this time.
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benjipwns
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She had a 40-50 point lead over Obama and everyone else in 2008?
They agree on torture, spying, NSA, DHS, etc.
They don't agree on guns, speech, etc.
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