Bernie Sanders to House Democrats - 'Our goal is not to win elections' - Gets booed.
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NoblesseOblige
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"Progress and transforming America should be our ultimate goal." would have been sufficient enough to make his point without leading the way he did. Speaking never has seemed to be Bernie's strongest trait. That said, booing him mid thought is pretty whack.
Goal = liberal Supreme Court
Means = winning presidential election.
I'm not sure if I'm getting trolled or not. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you'd be at 4 year old reading comprehension.
Bernie and Corbyn are one in the same. They'd rather see the party crash and burn as long as they stick to their ideals.
Spoiled Milk
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Who is Bernie Sanders?
Dash_Riprock
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Jeremy Corbyn's less intelligent, less successful trans-Atlantic counterpart.
Yeah or they realize that meaningful change needs a little more than what the centre offers, stop acting like it's just about ideals. In fact I think it's idealist to think that you can stay at the safe centre of politics and bring needed change.
old manatee
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lol
From the reporting coming out of Washington, a lot of Dems are pissed off at him for dragging this thing out longer than it needed to be. He had no path after NY and a lot of Dems wanted to go on the attack against Trump back in April. Now he's walking the halls with his secret service detail and that rubs people the wrong way. From the sound of it the congressmen and women are just fed up with the whole thing.
Dash_Riprock
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Please explain to me what "meaningful change" a politician can enact when they and/or their party consistently lose elections.
...no, the goal would be liberal supreme court for a generation.
How do you bring change without getting elected?
ShironRedshift
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Indeed. I mean, it's like... In case people have forgotten...
just two weeks ago, this was clearly demonstrated in the most blatant form possible when the D's in the House of Representatives were having their sit-in protest, demanding some form of gun control legislation to be brought to the floor, only to be completely ignored by Speaker Paul Ryan and to be treated as if they didn't exist and the legislation they wanted was never brought to a vote, they called a recess for the 4th of July holiday and the whole thing was swept under the rug since the minority party has that little power in the House. And that's with the Democrats doing something that's against actual parliamentary procedure in the House in the form of their sit-in protest, which Ryan could have shut down at any time if he so chose but just elected to ignore entirely instead, while in the current news cycle (beyond currently reconsidering whether or not he will bring some form of punishment against the House Democrats for their protest) saying what apparently does deserve the floor's attention is holding probes into the FBI's investigation of Clinton's e-mails.
If that's the extent of what they can accomplish with the seats they currently have, then how could they possibly bring about change if they lose? If they can do essentially nothing even with flexing the rules in Congress as it is, how is that suppose to be better and for any of that to get done if they lose? I don't get it.
Aaronology
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Not nefarious, no. Just self righteous, arrogant, condescending and needlessly divisive. I don't need you to tell me that Bernie Sanders meant that changing a country for the better is the purpose of politicians. No shit. Neither did a room full of Democrats need to be lectured about what the goal of the DNC should be from a guy who only joined it in his bid to become elected as President of the United States.Politicians give speeches to their peers all the time explaining what they believe in. But when Bernie does it, you interpret him as meaning "only he cares" in some nefarious way.
I know this gets posted a lot, but seriously
Bernie's idealism is noble; His ego is not. The two seem to be at war with each other, one half wanting to see progress in America and the other demanding to be the one who shapes and heralds that progress at the exclusion of reason and good common sense. He was asked when the Party could expect him to endorse Clinton and rejoined with what amounts to an admission that he considers his message more important than strengthening Clinton's bid for the White House.
So again:
Already Torn
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I'm so sick of hearing about Sanders.
The Labour party of today is much better than what it was. Just look at the Chilcot report, Tony Blair is a fucking monster. I rather a democratic socialist than a man whose spent the better part of his time warmongering with his pal George W. Bush.
Likewise, I understand you have to compromise, but the quetsion is how much? Sanders is right, winning elections is pointless if winning is contingent upon compromising your morals and principles to such an extent that you are no better than the bad guys.
Aaronology
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Where has this happened?
So this shit will finally end.
Uh I was just saying I agree with what Sanders is saying here, the second part of that sentence was my own insight/anecdote.
NoblesseOblige
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I understand their frustration as I'm also frustrated with his insistence to drag things out the way he has. But booing just seems, I don't know, silly to me. I think we're at the stage we can officially start ignoring him.
Bear Force One
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Dodged a huge bullet with him.
You seem to forget that he won over 40% of the vote in the primary. As much as you hate him (which you make plainly obvious, to the point where it's pretty sad), dems need him and his supporters. You mention him becoming a dem recently as a criticism, but that sort of thing is what endears him to many others. You don't think he has a right to "lecture" the DNC, but a big chunk of the democratic primary voters do want him to have a voice -- he gives them a voice. They see him as pushing the DNC to be better and it's pretty shitty of you to disregard the opinions of so many fellow dems. Framing it like it's all bout his ego and himself just makes you look petty -- just like people saying Clinton only wants to be pres for the power etc.
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After Clinton became the presumptive nominee, while gaf was enraged at Sanders' "ego" to stay in the race and push for a more progressive platform, polls suggested most democrats (across all races, education levels, and all income levels except $100k+) were cool with him staying in until the convention. So you can huff and puff all you want, but don't pretend like you represent all dems and Bernie is just alone trying to ruin it for everyone else.
What is the end goal and how is it accomplished without control of the government?
martin luther king?
actually, most of the changes in history come from movements and not from a guy winning an election.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What a bold speculative guess, now that the primaries are over. That doesn't mean a good chunk of voters are opposed to the idea of him having a say in the platform however, and I doubt the numbers would be wildly different on that point.
Another way to look at it is that if you put policy first, perhaps more people would feel inclined to keep you in office and vote for other members of your party into office. Voter turnout is low. Many people feel that politicians don't represent them and they abstain from voting. Does that sound like such a terrible proposition?
Yeah, I know when the poll was taken -- hence talking in past tense referencing the time the poll was taken: "After Clinton became the presumptive nominee, while gaf was enraged at Sanders' "ego" to stay in the race and push for a more progressive platform..."
I'm sure it is lower now, but afaik that's the latest poll. You seem to think his supporters just up and disappeared after Obama endorsed Clinton. People know he's not going to win -- like I said, they see him as pushing the DNC to be better. At least last time people were polled, that even included a chunk of Clinton supporters.
It's not like I wanted to win or anything! Bernie Kun no Baka!
Chaos2Frozen
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...who then needs to work with a guy who won an election.
And_Gignac
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Politicians give speeches to their peers all the time explaining what they believe in. But when Bernie does it, you interpret him as meaning "only he cares" in some nefarious way.
I know this gets posted a lot, but seriously
Yeah this. Thank god this sentiment is not shared by the country at large.
I looooooove how he makes centrist liberals (pleonasm?) FUME, though.
jakonovski
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Bernie is to GAF Hillarites as Hillary is to Republicans.
Bonen no Max'd
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Bernie has the smallest base of constituents of the Senate and they're a group of super-left hippies.
I'm not sure it's his place to moralize on worrying too much about elections.
I'm not sure it's his place to moralize on worrying too much about elections.
Politicians give speeches to their peers all the time explaining what they believe in. But when Bernie does it, you interpret him as meaning "only he cares" in some nefarious way.
I know this gets posted a lot, but seriously
Haha! Yeah, I mean under any other circumstance Bernie's words would be totally benign. If Hillary said it, it would be applauded. Bernie says Democratic politicians should work toward "democratic" policy, and people get their pitchforks out. "Woah, we dodge a bullet... He said something positive. Fuck him."
It isnt?
You can use this picture against Bernie supporters just as often as you can use it against Clinton supporters and be right.
Sanders is only relevant when he is harming Clinton and people wonder why Dems are kinda pissed at the guy?
When was the last time he even tried to say anything about Trump outside of platitudes like "he shouldn't be president" or something.
Even when he goes against the GoP he isn't able to give specifics.
When was the last time he even tried to say anything about Trump outside of platitudes like "he shouldn't be president" or something.
Even when he goes against the GoP he isn't able to give specifics.
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thepotatoman
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Reminds me of Jon Oliver's gun control report from the Daily Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w
I guess the solitary pursuit for reelection over all else isn't even something democrats are ashamed of anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w
I guess the solitary pursuit for reelection over all else isn't even something democrats are ashamed of anymore.
Kinda hilarious when it's the guy lording his security details who paid lip service to the last push of gun control while doing absolutely nothing to help on the issue.
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thepotatoman
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Doesn't change the fact that they were booing the notion that their jobs is to serve america, not to get elected.
Though I know many will praise anything as long as it's anti-Bernie.
BOOOOOOOOOO! BOOOOOOO, Jon Oliver! Glad he's not running for POTUS cuz he would have ruined everything.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I wonder why Bernie does not do the right thing with guns? Maybe because it might cost him getting re-elected in the more gun friendly Vermont...
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