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[Zen_Arcade]

booing? this is becoming more like the WWE every passing day

Worth the trade off if we can fit in some Ric Flair "WOOOOs" when something good happens.

 

[KissVibes]

Politics isn't (or rather, it is, but it shouldn't be) about excitement, it's about making life better through policy. You should not be voting for president based on who excites you the most but on who can get the job done in closest alignment with your interests.

This obsession with exciting candidates is what fuels the "I'd like to have a beer with him" mentality that puts the worst qualified people into the most powerful positions.

fake edit: also, more of the same? Given Obama's current approval ratings and Hillary positioning herself as third-term-plus Obama, I think more of the same -- insofar as moving along the same progressive track -- actually appeals to quite a few Americans.

If only more people thought like this. We'd be getting Presidente O'Malley.

 

[Trokil]

Politics isn't (or rather, it is, but it shouldn't be) about excitement, it's about making life better through policy. You should not be voting for president based on who excites you the most but on who can get the job done in closest alignment with your interests.

But the don't want to make your life better, because that maybe would let them not getting re-elected. For example banning guns like in Europe or Australia would make your life better, but it would not get the politician re-elected, so they will not do that. They also will not make hard enough laws against Wall Street, because not getting the money from they, may led to not getting re-elected as well. It would make your life better, but getting elected is more important.

 

[Wilsongt]

Don't boo,
Vote!

 

[QuantumZebra]

THEY FUCKING ARE. Bernie Sanders clown shoes ideas are not the ideology of the Democratic Party. He's a Fringe nut. Just because he likes to slander anyone who isn't in lockstep with his democratic socialist agenda doesn't make him right.

You are mistaking a party that still has room in the tent for different opinions and degrees of opinion as a party drowning in compromise. The dem party isn't ran by a handful of powerful contributors who require purity pledges and oaths of fealty to avoid getting primaried out of office. Sanders wished it was. He, along with the vast majority of the GOP is what is wrong with government, not moderate dems just looking to represent their constituency in a productive fashion.

Extremism has killed the political process, not pragmatic moderation.

This is a good post.

I'm a libertarian/liberal and while I think Bernie has some good ideas, his extremist bullshit is a mirror of the GOP, and just as intolerant.

In fact, he's even worse, at least Trump's contenders had the decency to drop out when they knew they lost.

 

[dramatis]

Give me a more promising third party or a more promising Democrat and I'll gladly reconsider.

I'm pretty sure a voting American has just as much right to complain about the elected officials as any other voting American. You know -- free speech and all.

You're complaining about how 'policy decisions' don't matter to the general public, and that "too many [voters] in this country are riding the party ticket regardless of the individual's accomplishments or lack thereof".

Consider this: 1) You went from Bernie to Trump, which means you aren't concerned with policy decisions either, and 2) You're voting for Trump, regardless of his lack of accomplishments.

So let's be honest here, you're not any smarter than the people you complain about, and in fact look more foolish, because you have access to knowledge but you insist on voting on neither policy nor accomplishment but some half-assed personal feelings about 'the system'. It's fair to say you should give up your right to complain about how dumb all those other voters are.

 

[Tranqueris]

Funny, I was told Bern no longer mattered. How strange!

Bernie matters only in the sense that people still need to deal with him so he doesn't cause trouble for Hillary in the next 4 months and at the convention. Bernie hit the fast lane towards irrelevance largely because of his own actions along with people realizing how horrible Trump is, and Elizabeth Warren drinking up his milkshake.

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/750806523832627200

Also known as the day that Bernie joins "The Establishment" and whatever is left of the monster that he created turns on him and calls him a sellout, shill, etc.

 

[TestOfTide]

Not really, no. Though I've seen a lot about a star on some image that I guess makes him a nazi? I think he's a buffoon that says shit off the cuff and doesn't think before he says shit that should be more nuanced than it is. I'm quite sure he's afraid of terrorists and of illegal immigrants, but I don't think he's a white supremacist or an anti-semite. But I digress.

Yeah, he totally wasn't a white supremacist when he demanded the execution of 5 innocent minorities.

Or when he said that most Mexican illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers.

Or when he accused Obama of being born in Kenya.

Or when he tried pretending he didn't know who David Duke was (even though he did).

Or when he said we should ban ALL Muslim immigration (and don't play dumb by saying how Islam is a religion, because everyone knows he meant brown people).

Or when he did the opposite of what McCain did in 2008 by appeasing a racist asking that the "Muslim problem" be taken care of.

/s obviously.

If you don't know much about what trump has said, then don't play idiot running to his defense.

Give me a more promising third party or a more promising Democrat and I'll gladly reconsider.

I'm pretty sure a voting American has just as much right to complain about the elected officials as any other voting American. You know -- free speech and all.

Since you care so much about fixing a broken system let's look at how each party has fixed/broken the system.

Citizens United:
- A decision made entirely by conservative justices
- Hillary has explicitly stated that she wants to nominate justices that would overturn the decision
- meanwhile conservatives have constantly alluded to wanting even less restrictions on campaign finance

Voter Registration:
- Democrats are constantly trying to make it more reasonably accessible for everyone to legally vote
- Every state controlled by conservatives has done everything they can to make voting harder, especially for minorities
- It was conservative justices that voted to gut the Voting Rights Act

2000 Elections:
- In spite of blatant voter suppression, the conservative justices ruled that there wouldn't be a recount because "lol not enough time".
- when asked about that ruling later on, justices involved in the decision have either regretted their decision, or bluntly avoided the question

Gerrymandering:
- Conservatives have so overwhelmingly gerrymandered states that in spite democrats getting 1 million more votes for house elections in 2012, they only gained 8 seats
- States under democratic control have been constantly putting in place nonpartisan methods of redistricting
- Republicans have constantly tried (and in some cases succeeded) in removing any non-partisan methods already in place.

Hmmmmmmm... Seems pretty fucking obvious to me which party to vote for if you hate corruption.

 

[Blader]

But the don't want to make your life better, because that maybe would let them not getting re-elected. For example banning guns like in Europe or Australia would make your life better, but it would not get the politician re-elected, so they will not do that. They also will not make hard enough laws against Wall Street, because not getting the money from they, may led to not getting re-elected as well. It would make your life better, but getting elected is more important.

Huh? There are many many politicians who vote for gun control and Wall Street reform. There are, in fact, many politicians who fund their (re-)election campaigns with Wall Street money while also advocating for stronger financial regulations (e.g. Obama).

If a politician's constituents want gun control and Wall Street reform, and getting re-elected is important to that person, then they should vote for gun control and Wall Street reform. Living in Mass, Elizabeth Warren is one of my senators, so as it turns out, her interest in gun control and Wall Street reform AND her interest in getting re-elected both serve my life pretty well!

Not really, no. Though I've seen a lot about a star on some image that I guess makes him a nazi? I think he's a buffoon that says shit off the cuff and doesn't think before he says shit that should be more nuanced than it is. I'm quite sure he's afraid of terrorists and of illegal immigrants, but I don't think he's a white supremacist or an anti-semite. But I digress.

You're right, Trump is almost definitely not a Klan member or neo-Nazi. But a potential president of the United States should also not be retweeting images sourced by anti-Semite forums, either.

On topic: I think we'd be better off in this country if we had more people willing to fight for what's right instead of saying what is politically expedient in order to keep their job.

Why do people think these two are mutually exclusive? If you're a senator or congressperson in office, odds are that your definition of what is right is held by the majority of your constituents too. In most cases, a politician fighting for what they believe is right and keeping their job is one in the same.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Seems like a pretty level headed opinion.

Especially in light of the recent gun reform farce and other such situations where no one was willing to take any damn risk because... Election year!

I hate hearing that rationalization even if I understand 100% that it's necessary.

 

[Gnome Scat]

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

The classic unproductive legacy of Bernie, he can be idealistic 24/7 because he will always be elected by Vermont regardless of what he accomplishes

 

[DavidDesu]

Searched, but surprisingly found nothing.


Wow. We dodged a bullet there. This guy would've likely run a terrible GE campaign and cost us the presidency.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/72101a2e16cc46f28687f7e07edeecc9

Boo, if old.

I'm sorry but that's pretty pathetic. Do you have morals? What are they!? Win at all costs? Do what is popular only because it wins votes? Someone like you in early America would be all for slavery to keep the vote, and so on. I shouldn't really have to spell it out. Morals, give way to whatever the fuck it takes to convince the majority of my people to vote for me, nevermind what is right or just.

Pathetic.

Trump is a buffoon, but Clinton is just another Bush/Blair warmonger because that's what the people with money want her to be. Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being. Oh but we might lose the election! What does it matter, a fucking cunt will be in the white house either way. Either a warmonger or someone who will be impeached in about 5 seconds for being a clown anyway. Clinton or trump, they're interchangeable right now.

Vote for something better. If you never do that you will never be better. More of the same is not worth it.

 

[DavidDesu]

You can't transform America without first winning elections, Bernie.

Did Martin Luther King win an election?

 

[dramatis]

Did Martin Luther King win an election?

JFK had to, in order for LBJ to step in afterwards and make sure the legislation to change the system was enacted.

The NRA wasn't elected, but they're powerful because they know how to mobilize voters for or against specific targets.

Rhetoric is nothing if it cannot be enacted, and to be enacted you have to be elected.

 

[TestOfTide]

I'm sorry but that's pretty pathetic. Do you have morals? What are they!? Win at all costs? Do what is popular only because it wins votes? Someone like you in early America would be all for slavery to keep the vote, and so on. I shouldn't really have to spell it out. Morals, give way to whatever the fuck it takes to convince the majority of my people to vote for me, nevermind what is right or just.

Pathetic.

Trump is a buffoon, but Clinton is just another Bush/Blair warmonger because that's what the people with money want her to be. Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being. Oh but we might lose the election! What does it matter, a fucking cunt will be in the white house either way. Either a warmonger or someone who will be impeached in about 5 seconds for being a clown anyway. Clinton or trump, they're interchangeable right now.

Vote for something better. If you never do that you will never be better. More of the same is not worth it.

First off, it's funny you mention slavery, because Abraham Lincoln didn't run for president on a platform of Abolishing Slavery, just preventing any new states from enacting it. He helped get slavery abolished by being realistic.

Second, your "war monger" bullshit about Hillary doesn't matter because her opponent advocated for war crimes, advocated for torture, and by all indications wants to waste thousands of American lives going to a full out war with ISIS.

Third, you dumb assertion that trump is fine because he'll get impeached is dumb for multiple reasons:

- Why would the numerous republicans that have endorsed him vote to kick him out?

- It doesn't matter because before that happens he'll replace Scalia with someone at least as bad as him.

Did Martin Luther King win an election?

MLK Jr. held many helpful protests, but in the end, the stuff he wanted happened because the president he voted for in 1964 ended up with a supermajority in both houses of congress, allowing said president to pass some of the most important legislation of all time.

 

[Condom]

You can't transform America without first winning elections, Bernie.

LOL

Let's pretend activism doesn't exist and that elections are the only way to change.

The truth obviously lies in a combination of those things.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being.

Literally any other argument for Sanders is better than this one. If he were a decent person, he would have publicly apologized to the AIDS activists that his campaign demonized for doing nothing more than correcting an inaccurate press statement. If he were a decent person, he would not have said "Well, don't forget, someone broke into our campaign's offices!" as a way to deflect from the death threats that Democrats got from some of his supporters after the problems in Nevada.

Like his policies, like his ideas, like what he stands for - but don't idealize the guy on a personal level. He's as much an asshole as any other politician.

 

[TestOfTide]

LOL

Let's pretend activism doesn't exist and that elections are the only way to change.

The truth obviously lies in a combination of those things.

Yeah, because all that activism sure has convinced modern republicans to not be obstructionist douchebags... Oh wait.

 

[BotoxAgent]

He definitely deserves the booing.

 

[Condom]

Yeah, because all that activism sure has convinced modern republicans to not be obstructionist douchebags... Oh wait.

I'm glad you agree with me that the lack of activism is a problem.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I'm sorry but that's pretty pathetic. Do you have morals? What are they!? Win at all costs? Do what is popular only because it wins votes? Someone like you in early America would be all for slavery to keep the vote, and so on. I shouldn't really have to spell it out. Morals, give way to whatever the fuck it takes to convince the majority of my people to vote for me, nevermind what is right or just.

Pathetic.

Trump is a buffoon, but Clinton is just another Bush/Blair warmonger because that's what the people with money want her to be. Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being. Oh but we might lose the election! What does it matter, a fucking cunt will be in the white house either way. Either a warmonger or someone who will be impeached in about 5 seconds for being a clown anyway. Clinton or trump, they're interchangeable right now.

Vote for something better. If you never do that you will never be better. More of the same is not worth it.

I hope to God this is your first election.

 

[Extra Sauce]

I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I get that some change might not come electorally

But its a bad message to send when your idea for how to implement revolutionary change was running for the presidency

Some change can't be solved with a national vote? Yeah, 100% agreed. Walk the walk then.

The image your post is conjuring in my head.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Did Martin Luther King win an election?

Haha, Bernie is no MLK.....he's no Obama, he's just a tone deaf single issue politician who got his ass handed to him in the primaries.


So of course he says, winning elections is not a goal. Lolol

 

[Aaronology]

Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being.

Ask the people of Sierre Blanca how decent a human being he is.

Fact-checking a viral graphic critical of Bernie Sanders
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/22/fact-checking-viral-graphic-critical-bernie-sander/

LARGELY ACCURATE:

• Voted to dump Vermont’s nuclear waste in a majority Latino community in Sierra Blanca, Texas

In 1998, the House of Representatives approved a compact struck between Texas, Vermont and Maine that would allow Vermont and Maine to dump low-level nuclear waste at a designated site in Sierra Blanca, Texas. Sanders, at the time representing Vermont in the House, cosponsored the bill and actively ushered it through Congress.

Located about 16 miles from the Mexican border, Sierra Blanca’s population is predominantly of Mexican ancestry. At the time, the community was about two-thirds Latino, and its residents had an average income of $8,000, according to the an article in the Bangor Daily News.

The low-level nuclear waste would include "items such as scrap metal and worker’s gloves… as well as medical gloves used in radiation treatments at hospitals," according to the Bangor Daily News. Clinton, then the First Lady, did not have a vote on the matter.

How Sanders Cleared Way To Dump Toxic Nuclear Waste on Poor Hispanics (and How They Fought Back)
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/2/17/when-brown-lives-did-not-matter-to-bernie

Fortunately, the local residents were not just going to take it lying down. In 1994, Bill Addington, a resident of Sierra Blanca, with the help of the Nuclear Responsibility Network, formed the Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund (SBLDF) to try to fight the building of the toxic site. Eventually, in 1998, a group of West Texas residents made their way all the way to Vermont, in hopes of elucidating the people there how the nuclear waste from out of state was affecting their lives. For weeks, they spoke in front of committees, with Vermont residents unaware of what was going on, and gained compassion and even apologies from them. Finally, they met with Bernie Sanders on the issue. What was his response? Drop dead:

“Before the rally Sanders invited the three West Texans to meet with him privately, and the Texans eagerly agreed. The meeting was no longer than Sanders’ attention span - when it comes to Sierra Blanca. “He didn’t listen,” Curry said. “He had his mind made up.” Afterward, Bernie was giving his pro forma campaign speech, never mentioning nuclear power or nuclear waste. Sierra Blanca activist Bill Addington, who’d arrived just that morning to join the march, along with his neighbor María Méndez, had had enough, and he yelled from the crowd, “What about my home, Bernie? What about Sierra Blanca?”

Several others joined in. “What about Sierra Blanca, Bernie?”

Sanders left the stage, which surprised no one in the small Texas delegation. Earlier, he had told them, “My position is unchanged, and you’re not gonna like it.” When they asked if he would visit the site in Sierra Blanca, he said, “Absolutely not. I’m gonna be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.”

Ask the people behind Emily's List how decent he is. Ask the AIDS activists he's smeared. Ask Peter Smith, a republican who lost his seat to the NRA-endorsed Sanders when he dared come around on gun control in Vermont.

You're idolizing a man who has barely had his closet aired. He is not a saint.

 

[BradC00]

They were saying boo-urns

boo-ernie

 

[danm999]

But if you are only out there to win elections you will never change anything really. Look at Australia and their gun ban. The people responsible knew, that they would lose the election because of that but they still did it.

I want to win the election, so I will never piss off the NRA. I want to win the election, so I will not go against Wall Street, because I need their money. I want to win the election, so changing anything that really could piss too many people off is out of question. And people wonder why US politics is in such a bad shape.

The party who put in the gun ban in Australia won elections quite comfortably for the next decade though.

 

[TestOfTide]

I'm glad you agree with me that the lack of activism is a problem.

Activism's failure today isn't due to its lack of volume, it's due to the fact that politicians are aware of the fact that not all protesters vote. They see something like occupy wall street and just say to themselves "I'll start caring when these people start voting".

 

[dramatis]

I hope to God this is your first election.

Don't worry about that, he's a UKer. If there was a moment for him to make his vote matter, it passed.

If anything, Corbyn is a prime example of how making an overly principled, stubborn, uncompromising, "decent fucking human being" your party leader costs you badly. Because in the end, men like Corbyn and Sanders are still politicians, and still petty men.

 

[Schlorgan]

We don't have enough boo-ing and hissing in US politics if you ask me.

I completely agree.

 

[googleplex]

You'd think that after 74 years on this planet, Bernie would have learned how not to be a Dick to people who want to be his allies.

 

[AxelFoley]

Bernie is very good at pointing out problems. Solving them? He has no damn clue, and is perfectly content to sit by the side and complain about anything that falls short of his ideals and his magical Underwear Gnome-style plans of implementation. We don't need that.

Bernie, the constant gadfly.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Did Martin Luther King win an election?

No, he died.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Don't worry about that, he's a UKer. If there was a moment for him to make his vote matter, it passed.

If anything, Corbyn is a prime example of how making an overly principled, stubborn, uncompromising, "decent fucking human being" your party leader costs you badly. Because in the end, men like Corbyn and Sanders are still politicians, and still petty men.

Every time I read about UK politics and the clusterfuck of irrelevance that is the Labour Party I breathe a sigh of relief cause that is exactly what would happen to the Democratic Party if Sanders won the nom.

 

[Socreges]

I agree with him.

I don't want politicians focusing on getting reelected.
I want politicians focused on fixing the country and making meaningful change.

This is the point. Yet some people here are being willfully obtuse and construing what he said as 'winning elections doesn't matter'.

 

[Breads]

What?

These are our (left wing) representatives. Representing our interests by getting elected is like... the single most defining aspect of their job.

 

[Aaronology]

This is the point. Yet some people here are being willfully obtuse and construing what he said as 'winning elections doesn't matter'.

So in other words he was implying in a room full of his peers that only he cared about "fixing the country and making meaningful change"? Hmm, I think someone posted a quote that sums up how I see this...

Yes, that's about it.

 

[akira28]

representing our interests is key, the election is like the practical way it gets done that doesn't turn it into some farce. Its become this big coronation when it was supposed to be a bunch of people picking a name out of a hat and making(!) the person sit in the office.

 

[TestOfTide]

This is the point. Yet some people here are being willfully obtuse and construing what he said as 'winning elections doesn't matter'.

Then Bernie shouldn't have said things the way he said them, especially in response to being asked why he won't endorse Hillary.

Also, this assertion that democrats haven't been trying to make real changes is willfully ignorant. They did, but only had half a year in which they wouldn't be constantly blocked by republicans in every single way. I mean, the GOP literally held a government shutdown and threatened to default the country because they didn't want to see Obamacare to actually start taking effect.

 

[JP_]

So in other words he was implying in a room full of his peers that only he cared about "fixing the country and making meaningful change"?

Politicians give speeches to their peers all the time explaining what they believe in. But when Bernie does it, you interpret him as meaning "only he cares" in some nefarious way.

I know this gets posted a lot, but seriously

 

[SlimySnake]

I'm sorry but that's pretty pathetic. Do you have morals? What are they!? Win at all costs? Do what is popular only because it wins votes? Someone like you in early America would be all for slavery to keep the vote, and so on. I shouldn't really have to spell it out. Morals, give way to whatever the fuck it takes to convince the majority of my people to vote for me, nevermind what is right or just.

Pathetic.

Trump is a buffoon, but Clinton is just another Bush/Blair warmonger because that's what the people with money want her to be. Sanders is the only candidate you've had in rather a long time who is actually a decent human fucking being. Oh but we might lose the election! What does it matter, a fucking cunt will be in the white house either way. Either a warmonger or someone who will be impeached in about 5 seconds for being a clown anyway. Clinton or trump, they're interchangeable right now.

Vote for something better. If you never do that you will never be better. More of the same is not worth it.

lol calm down. You have a president right now who is a very decent human being. Sanders isnt exactly the first one. Read up on Hillary and see what she's done through out her life fighting for children, women, 9/11 survivors and LGBT rights. Also, any decent human being would've dropped out of the race after March 15th when he got trounced by Hillary and put his support behind her to make sure she wins quite possibly the most important election in decades. But he threw her under the bus, called her unqualified and worse cast her as a corrupt politician who could be bought by wallstreet. He's supposed to be on the same team!! Real decent human being this guy.

Also democrats doing whats popular to win elections? hahahaahaha. where have you been the past few decades? they have been the only party for gun control knowing full well that they would lose elections and they HAVE lost elections because of that. Bernie btw ran against a republican candidate who was pro gun control, got NRA's backing and beat him. Look it up.

It's bizarre to me that you would look at democrats' support of gay marriage, illegal immigrats, muslim immigration, civil rights, healthcare, abortion rights and gun control and say that they do the popular thing to win. these were/are incredibly unpopular issues and yet democrats stood by them anyway. most of the time losing elections because of them. you think obamacare had nothing to do with the 2010 midterms blowout? you think southern democrats dont lose elections after their party leaders go out and bat for gay marriage and propose gun control?

Democrats are not saints but they have shown time and time again that they are willing to do the right thing knowing it can cost them elections. you can call hillary a warmongerer but aside from her vote for the Iraq war where she was lied to by the most respected Military General of our time (Collin Powell), what wars has she started? Bill Clinton didnt invade any countries aside from that mess in Somalia. 8 years, no wars. She was secretary of state for four years and lobbied to get rid of Gaddafi which we did for $1 billion compared to the $1 trillion spent killing saddam. An operation that cost no american lives.

How many civilians have died in Syria due to lack of action by Obama? 1.5 million or so? How many Libyans wouldve died had she not advocated to take Gaddafi down? the world is too grey for your black and white Mass Effect world.

 

[AxelFoley]

Its BECAUSE of the republicans.

And you know who else I am going to blame? Voters, mainly young people, who do not go out and vote during midterm elections.

If they had bothered, the republicans would not control congress.

And no both sides are not the fucking same.

This. Fucking this.

 

[Opto]

Okay, when Bernie says this, I think of Harry Reid's chief-of-staff who said that a senator's main job is to get re-elected. Not, you know, creating and passing legislative.

 

[Odrion]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Its BECAUSE of the republicans.

And you know who else I am going to blame? Voters, mainly young people, who do not go out and vote during midterm elections.

If they had bothered, the republicans would not control congress.

And no both sides are not the fucking same.

you're ignoring the gerrymandering

 

[Fancyarcher]

there are thousands of legislators out there and its our fault and their fault that we allowed that cloud of apathy and ignorance to settle over our voting process. Yes, many of those people are assholes and corrupt pieces of shit, but a lot of them are not, and you need to fucking vote in order to make that bad situation better.

Low information voters need to be grabbed by the scruff and given pamphlets and sources and be invited to get educated and participate.

Yes, but in the case of the current election, and most elections, most of the major nominees come off as corrupt to the average person of the general public.

Not to mention that people may have over personal reasons for not voting. The whole situation of people not voting is not completely black and white after all. Not everyone who doesn't vote is simply ill-formed of how the system work.

 

[boiled goose]

If what he means is that there is no point in winning elections if that means no change (for example winning because you raised more money by making promises to donors) then I don't disagree...

The goal is not winning elections. The goal is improving the lives of Americans. Forget the ultimate mission and things get skewed.

 

[Boney]

Winning the election is a means to an end. It's not a goal by itself.

But gaffers with reading comprehension of a 7 year old will continue to call him a dummy for not wanting to win.

 

[TestOfTide]

Winning the election is a means to an end. It's not a goal by itself.

But gaffers with reading comprehension of a 7 year old will continue to call him a dummy for not wanting to win.

No, it actually is the goddamn goal when winning said election means a liberal Supreme Court for a generation.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

"I was saying boo-ernie."

 

[Aaron Strife]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you're ignoring the gerrymandering

The gerrymandering wouldn't have happened or been as bad had Democratic voters turned up in 2010. Governor's seats in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio and countless others could have flipped and given Democrats an even hand in the redistricting process, to speak nothing of the legislative seats further downballot that would have also helped a great deal.