JadedWriter
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Schierke would be so pissed...
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Berserk |OT| - Big men, bigger swords, OFF THE BOAT - Berserk #344 24/6/2016
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Miura is transitioning into a Tenchi Muyo style story where its Guts and the girls going on whacky adventures and they all have on a crush on him!
JadedWriter
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Everybody except Isma.
InfiniDragon
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Schierke's gonna be mad no matter what, she's at the ultra awkward "little kid starting to go through puberty" phase where she wants to be a grownup so the handsome older guy will notice her but he's never going to because she's a little kid.
She's destined to take the L, and she can't even fall back on Isidro having some moment where he actually looks cool and makes her like him anymore because Isma just took that spot.
JadedWriter
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Maybe she can have Magnifico
and be the one with a set of balls in the relationship.
So the guys at Skullknight.net have been translating a lot of stuff from the guide book and are also apparently working on getting Miura's big interview translated at one point. They did translate the attribute ratings section and I'll post it here:
Oh and I should note that this should all be taken with a grain of salt as not all the info in the guidebook is super accurate.
Oh and I should note that this should all be taken with a grain of salt as not all the info in the guidebook is super accurate.
JadedWriter
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How the fuck does Magnifico have a higher brain power stat than Farnese? Lol at her outclassing him in everything else though. Sociability makes sense though since she doesn't seem adjusted until the later stage of the manga.
He almost staged a coup of Elfhelm. That's pretty powerful.
JadedWriter
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And he got his ass clapped in iron.
JadedWriter
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He's lucky the elf queen was nice. Should have melted him.
Damn that looks gorgeous
4 is a cutie
Banned
The author isn't bad at writing women but is generally terrible at dealing with women encountering sexual violence, one of the reasons being a lack of reflection given to the reader from the victim. I am excited that Berserk is finally giving Caska some space to do so in these upcoming chapters and am sure that the author will handle it well.
RadioHeadAche
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I have two of them, and yes the artwork is amazing. I love the feel of the cardboard too. It has a nice texture.
Tizoc
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Where are those new reprints anyways?
elshoelace
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I was so excited that we are finally getting reprints of the hard to find volumes but the new spines do not match, why dark horse?
I was so excited about hearing news of reprints since I need 6 volumes to complete my collection, but now....ugh, my OCD will drive me nuts with those spines.
Even though I don't really like this version ( a bit cropped and different covers) I'm glad they didn't do this shit. I'm still waiting for their next volume 19.
Tricky I Shadow
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RadioHeadAche
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Has anyone imported Berserk musou?
I finished volume 31 last night and I got a few questions.
1. Are the Kushan wizards apostles? Guts says that they are but I'm not sure. Why does Guts assume they are? Can't they just be wizards like Schierke?
2. How can Schierke manifest her astral image on Gut's back and even interact with him? They are on different planes as far as I understand. Or can she just make an astral image to move in the physical plane too?
3. Why do all these spirits help Schierke and other magic users in the first place? What do they get in return?
4. Is Puck ever gonna say anything meaningful again? ._.
1. Are the Kushan wizards apostles? Guts says that they are but I'm not sure. Why does Guts assume they are? Can't they just be wizards like Schierke?
2. How can Schierke manifest her astral image on Gut's back and even interact with him? They are on different planes as far as I understand. Or can she just make an astral image to move in the physical plane too?
3. Why do all these spirits help Schierke and other magic users in the first place? What do they get in return?
4. Is Puck ever gonna say anything meaningful again? ._.
They aren't apostles or even apostle spawn. They get their power from Ganishka, they quite literally smoke his fog to gain power from him.
She is reaching him on an astral level even if we are being shown events happening in the real world.
You follow the right rituals and what not and you can connect to them to invoke their power.
Yes. No... maybe.
Is there clang at least?
It's a bit weird that calling the power of astral spirits has no drawbacks, something I expected to happen sooner or later. I'll just roll with it for now.
Finally reached the boat. You know I always kinda thought it's a...boat. But it's a ship! Pretty big lol
Thematic consistency is not one of Berserk's strong suits, post-Conviction arc.
My position on how Miura deals with "lore" stuff is pretty much exactly the same as Erigu's, based on what he posted on another thread
RadioHeadAche
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So, I'm guessing that Berserk musou is average? I know it's not out in English, but I've heard almost nothing about it.
I'm going to disagree on that. Skull Knight states that a lot of what's happened so far has been pre-ordained, bound by causality. Only Guts can struggle against the flow.
Most of what I've heard says that it's decent. Consensus I've encountered suggests it is nothing special (even for a Musou game), but that it scratches an itch for Berserk fans.
If that were the case, what is the Skeleton Knight doing, then? Why does he even bother? And he's been doing that for a thousand years, too?
Tizoc
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He is a slave to it unable to break the chain or cycle
At best he can do minor alterations that dont have a major impact, and is likely searching for a way to break it
Guts is a catalyst that could lead to breaking this cycle
Point is, that new sword of his was supposed to help, and it's incredibly anticlimactic and unsatisfying to have the outcome be "nope, in fact, that's exactly what Griffith needed, how convenient".
It was bad enough that the guy hadn't done anything since his rescue of Guts and Casca besides just showing up (and sometimes pointing at stuff) whenever something important was going on, but that bit basically made him a joke character.
At the beginning of the manga, the Count refusing to sacrifice his daughter was apparently going against causality. Seems fine to me: at key moments, the characters' thoughts and actions can still matter. Now though... It's one thing to have Griffith miraculously survive a volley of arrows, but we're not talking about some random archer during some battle, there: it's the fucking Skeleton Knight at a turning point of the story. That scene makes it look like the bad guys (/the author) can simply go "just as planned" whatever happens "because they control causality" or whatever. Sure, that'll change whenever it becomes convenient for the author, but I don't imagine it will feel earned, and in the meantime, I find it pretty hard to care.
I don't think the SK knew the sword do anything against the God hand. They are beings of the deepest layers of reality and are far beyond most methods of even interacting with them without grave consequences and actually attacking and hurting them has proved time and time again to be pointless whether its with normal weapons or even the Dragon Slayer against Slann in Quilpoth. If killing them or even hurting them was doable it would have been done by the SK over his thousand year battle. The Behelit based weapon was just his attempt to create a weapon that might be able to damage beings on a deeper layer of reality and it proved as effective as every other attempt we've seen.
I'll also point out his behelit based sword was basically a guess. He had no real clue if that would do anything more than his other attempts. It also wasn't what caused the merging of the layers. That was Ganishka dying which was bound to happen, sword or not. Griffith just deflected the attack at Ganishka instead of killing himself which seemed bound to happen no matter what.
What caused everything was the fact Ganishka's dive into the daka birthing chamber. We were told before that some powerful beings in the real world have far far larger and even grander bodies in the astral realms as a true reflection of their inner being and power. Ganishka used the Daka birthing chamber to basically drag his astral body into the real world and being as mighty as he was it was gigantic and terrifying. Griffith and the GH whole plan revolve around him taking that desperate gambit to bring enough of the astral world into reality to begin merging the layers of reality. Part of that plan was also by destroying the spirit tree's wizards are found around because they limit the world tree as we learned in the last few episodes.
I think you're focusing on the sword aspect when in reality its not all that important in the scheme of things. We were given several clues prior by sources like Flora and Schierke as to what might happen.
Well, yes. So what was the point?
It was both, as explained by Griffith (an expert in things that have never, ever happened, as said above).
That's the problem with characters who have omniscience. That something never happened is no reason to not know about it. Knowing the future takes all the effort out of knowing wtf is happening. It's a pool of knowledge that doesn't operate on any kind of reason.
And it's hard to make that narratively satisfying because the answer really to why they know things or why they do things is "Because I just do."
And it's hard to make that narratively satisfying because the answer really to why they know things or why they do things is "Because I just do."
Yes, basically. And "that happened because it was meant to". How satisfying and engaging.
I mean, I disagree with you in the idea that it's automatically not engaging, if only for the fact that it's the antagonist doing this. That allows some tension, because, unlike if this was Guts doing it, this is clearly not supposed to happen. Plus, Griffith is basically supposed to be beyond the normal rules and conventions of the world. I mean, I get what your saying, there is a danger of resorting to Aizen hax, but for now, Griffith's machinations fill me more with wonder and dread than agitation since he is supposed to be beyond mortal comprehension. I buy it.
That said, I also agree with you that Miura is writing the series by the seat of his pants in terms of magic rules and stuff. I just don't see that as a bad thing. Plenty of author's do it and he hasn't broken any of his own rules quite yet.
Of course, that could be just because I'm a recent survivor of the literary assault that is the WoT series. It's tough as shit to out contrivance that.
Like I said above, it works for me when it's a volley of arrows. It really bothers me when the Skeleton Knight once again shows up just to be useless and his new magic sword proves utterly pointless after all (why even introduce that shit in the first place, then?).
Well, he still has to explain the origins of the Skeleton Knight and his feud with the God Hands, and even strictly mathematically speaking, that one might prove a bit problematic...
At this point, I think I'd better keep my expectations regarding the "lore" aspect of the series pretty fucking low (I don't think Miura has a good grasp on his timeline or geography either, actually). And while I think that's a shame, it certainly isn't what matters the most at the end of the day. What Miura absolutely needs to nail is the relationship between Guts, Griffith and Casca, and that's something else altogether...
He is directly connected to the Idea of Evil, which is linked to causality. These things happened because they were going to happen. Therefore the IoE knew and so Griffith knew.
The problem with the skull knight's sword is that we have very little information when and how and why he got the idea to do that, why he thought it'd work and so on. He just showed up one day, eating behelits and all of a suffenIt he can coat his sword with them. It could be that it would have actually worked had Ganishka not been there to transform it into a world altering property like he did. Had that been the situation, I would say it's perfectly fine.
Keep in mind that this doesn't mean it's use has expired. Just because it failed its first play in the field doesn't mean now it can't ever amount to anything.
Keep in mind that this doesn't mean it's use has expired. Just because it failed its first play in the field doesn't mean now it can't ever amount to anything.