Best RPG's to begin with

MakMan

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I haven't been an real fan of RPG's since I started playing videogames. But a while ago, a friend of me showed of his Skies of Arcadia on the Dreamcast, and I too was hooked. The game was awesome! That's the reason I would to start checking out some of the RPG stuff available and for the first time begin one myself! Can you guys advise me some 'accessible' RPG's for the GameCube, PlayStation 2 and/or GBA. I live in Europe, and I've heard a lot of the gems haven't been released here at all, or negatively suffered from the PAL conversion..
So keep those things in mind.

Thanks in advance.
 
I guess Skies of Arcadia: Legends on the Gamecube would be a good start.
If it's not out in Europe, importing (and getting a Freeloader) would be the best solution.
 
I wouldn't recommend Skies to a beginner...It can be very boring at times. I would recommend you Chronno Trigger...it's not on any of the current systems on PAL (it was released on NTSC zones for PSX though)...anyways you can play it through emulation.
 
I played the last 20 hours or so of the original on the DC already...
If I wanted it, I could start the game on my own, and play the first half too, but I rather want to start a complete new adventure.
 
I also recommend Chrono Trigger. It was my first RPG (since Dragon Warriors on NES) and I couldn't imagine a better introduction to the genre. Only problem is that it's all downhill from there... ;)
 
The top 4 RPG’s of all time according to the scared parchment of gamerankings.

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Bioware>>>>>ALL

None of these are PS2 or GC games so get a decent PC or Buy and Xbox

The baldur's gate games are 2D so they should work in the computer you are using now!

Also look into

Icewind dale
Icewind dale 2
Planescape torment

All PC games but can run well on a P2
 
Thanks for the replies.
Emulation and PC games are not my thing...

I searched on Gamerankings for some decent RPG's and came with the following:

- Disgaea (PS2)
- Shadow Hearts Covenant (PS2)
- StarOcean Till the end of Time (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
- Baten Kaitos (GC)
- Tales of Symphonia (GC)
- Breath of Fire V (PS2)
- Suikoden III (PS2) (is this one out as PAL?)
- Wild Arms 3 (PS2)
- Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life (GC)
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)

Which of these ones are recommendable?
 
MakMan said:
Thanks for the replies.
Emulation and PC games are not my thing...

I searched on Gamerankings for some decent RPG's and came with the following:

- Disgaea (PS2)
- Shadow Hearts Covenant (PS2)
- StarOcean Till the end of Time (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
- Baten Kaitos (GC)
- Tales of Symphonia (GC)
- Breath of Fire V (PS2)
- Suikoden III (PS2) (is this one out as PAL?)
- Wild Arms 3 (PS2)
- Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life (GC)
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)

Which of these ones are recommendable?

Hmmm are any of those games in the top four?
 
tripping martian beat me to it. That, or try IV. If you want to get into an rpg, get into one that was made before the graphics whoring craze. Yes, that includes FFVII as much as I love it.
 
MakMan said:
Thanks for the replies.
Emulation and PC games are not my thing...

I searched on Gamerankings for some decent RPG's and came with the following:

- Disgaea (PS2)
- Shadow Hearts Covenant (PS2)
- StarOcean Till the end of Time (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
- Baten Kaitos (GC)
- Tales of Symphonia (GC)
- Breath of Fire V (PS2)
- Suikoden III (PS2) (is this one out as PAL?)
- Wild Arms 3 (PS2)
- Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life (GC)
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)

Which of these ones are recommendable?

Having played all of them, except Baten Kaitos, I'd say you can't go wrong with any of them. Non are particular bad.

Are Shadow Hearts Covenant and StarOcean III out in Pal territory? I don't think there's a pal version of Suikoden III either.

In order of my favorites(from your list):

Final Fantasy X
Shadow Hearts Covenant
Breath of Fire V
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Disgaea
Harvest Moon
Star Ocean III
Tales of Symphonia
Suikoden III
Wild Arms 3



Dark Cloud 2 and Kingdom Hearts are really good too.
 
Start with Secret of Mana, then Chrono Trigger, and Final Fantasy III (VI).

The Mario RPGs are great games and are also good for beginners. There's Super Mario RPG on SNES, Paper Mario on N64, Mario & Luigi SSS on GBA, and Paper Mario 2 on GC.

Fire Emblem on GBA is also a great game, but it's more strategy than RPG.
 
ourumov said:
I wouldn't recommend Skies to a beginner...It can be very boring at times. I would recommend you Chronno Trigger...it's not on any of the current systems on PAL (it was released on NTSC zones for PSX though)...anyways you can play it through emulation.

Uh... he says he's played SoA on the DC.

Current gen not already mentioned in your list:

Kingdom Hearts (PS2)
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (GC)
Fire Emblem (GBA)
Golden Sun: The Lost Age (GBA)
Grandia II (DC)
Shenmue II (DC)

The last two can be found on other systems, but in my opinion, the best versions are on the Dreamcast, and a DC can be bought cheap nowadays too.

Last gen titles to look out for:

Paper Mario (N64)
Vagrant Story (PSX)
Final Fantasy VII (PSX)
Final Fantasy VIII (PSX)
Final Fantasy IX (PSX)
Final Fantasy Tactics (PSX)
Chrono Cross (PSX)
Xenogears (PSX)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn)

Older systems:

Terranigma (SNES)- PAL gamers are lucky enough that this game was released over there. If you can, by all means, buy it. It's a great game. It wasn't released in North America.
Final Fantasy IV (SNES)
Final Fantasy VI (SNES)
Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Phantasy Star II (Genesis)
Phantasy Star IV (Genesis)

And then I leave a lot off because I can't remember 'em all right now. I'm still relatively new to RPGs (began in 1998 with Pokemon, but really got going in 2000).
 
MakMan said:
Thanks for the replies.
Emulation and PC games are not my thing...

I searched on Gamerankings for some decent RPG's and came with the following:

- Disgaea (PS2)
- Shadow Hearts Covenant (PS2)
- StarOcean Till the end of Time (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
- Baten Kaitos (GC)
- Tales of Symphonia (GC)
- Breath of Fire V (PS2)
- Suikoden III (PS2) (is this one out as PAL?)
- Wild Arms 3 (PS2)
- Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life (GC)
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)

Which of these ones are recommendable?

I haven't played all of them but out of the ones I did play I recommend(in no order):

Shadow hearts covnent- great story, characters, good battle system and nice graphics.

Final Fantasy X- good story, good battle system, very nice graphics especially the FMV crappy characters though save Auron and maybe Lulu and a little too cutscence heavy. Overall not a bad game especially for someone new to rpgs you might even love it.

Baten Kaitos- decent to good story, good characters, great battle system and music and gorgeous graphics.

Tales of Symphonia- nice graphics, decent story and characters I guess but I really didn't care for either and an excellent battle system.

Suikoden 3 - great story, good characters but a clunky battle system and maybe somwhat decent graphics.

and kingdom hearts(ARPG)- good story, graphics, characters, battle system and music.
 
He just said how much he loved Skies of Arcadia, a game filled with tons of classic RPG gameplay... and now you're recommending FFX? Which has practically none? I'm confused!
 
Definitely Beyond the Beyond. This is one game that I'm sure every GAF would agree is the pinnacle of rpgs :lol
 
MakMan said:
Thanks for the replies.
Emulation and PC games are not my thing...

How about older console games? If you're not too much of a graphics whore to play PSX games, then Final Fantasy VII is a good beginning RPG, and of course you can play it on PS2.

MakMan said:
- Disgaea (PS2)

Very different - it's an SRPG. Brilliant fun, though, and strongly recommended. But very unlike SOA.

MakMan said:
- Final Fantasy X (PS2)
- Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)

The FF games are always slick implementations of the classic Japanese console RPG, although it's pretty fashionable to hate on them among the RPG elite, it seems. :) FFX wasn't exactly my favourite, but it's as good a place as any to start.

MakMan said:
- Breath of Fire V (PS2)

Pretty much unique as RPGs go. You'll like it or you won't, and that won't necessarily be because you do/don't like RPGs in general. A lot of people (myself included) think it's great, though...

MakMan said:
- Suikoden III (PS2) (is this one out as PAL?)

No, for which Konami must die.

MakMan said:
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)

As for Disgaea, except most people don't rate this one as highly. Also consider Advance Wars, Advance Wars 2 and Fire Emblem in this category. I'd go with the AW games first, then FFTA or FE depending on your personal preference.
 
Serafitia said:
tripping martian beat me to it. That, or try IV. If you want to get into an rpg, get into one that was made before the graphics whoring craze. Yes, that includes FFVII as much as I love it.

Are you implying that people weren't drooling over FFVI graphics? Boy oh boy... It was the first 256 color palette game on the SNES, that game's visuals were the best I had seen on the system. Graphics whorism was there with FFVI.

(I even remember drooling over FFVI's graphics)

:/

But yeah, I agree. FFVI and VII are good starts. They're rather simplistic games, but they give you a good introduction to the genre.
 
Hey, I was about to suggest Mystic Quest! Of course, at first I thought this was a thread about an RPG for a younger child to begin with.

For you, MakMan, I suggest giving Paper Mario: TTYD a shot. It's a great (if somewhat simplistic) RPG with some adventure elements that should serve nicely to ease you into the genre.
 
yeah, get paper mario on gamecube, and mario and luigi: superstar saga on GBA. both are relatively simple, but fun, and also have the adventure gameplay and other stuff that can break up the game from being a strict console RPG. it's just a shame you won't try PC RPGs, but maybe in the future, since they blow away most console RPGs for stories, dialogue and interaction.
 
Of all the Final Fantasy games, I think I would recommmend IX the most to a newcomer. It is fun, traditional, and relatively easy (although the later games are all much easier). VI would also be a great place to start. Both Grandia games are fun and simple, with the excellent battle system and low challenge, but I would recommend I over II personally. I love the story and characters in Final Fantasy X, but I wouldn't really recommend it here.

Tales of Symphonia is probably the best newcomer RPG from this generation. The Paper Marios and Mario and Luigi are good also, especially as they include a fair amount of platforming and puzzle solving but still provide good RPG experiences.

The PS1 Suikodens are great to start with, but III might not be such a good starting point, as much as I love it.

My other personal favorites are Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Final Fantasy VIII, and the Star Oceans, but I do not recommend those for players new to RPGs.

I personally started with rentals of Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior (actually Swords and Serpents, but I hated that game), but the first I owned was the superlative Dragon Warrior IV.
 
Assuming you want something with a similiar style to Skies - from the little I played of it, I'd say is a story and specifically character focused game, light mood, little importance given to gameplay depth - some possible picks are:

Chrono Trigger (SNES)

Is one of my first recommendations. Character focused, nice mood and pace, plenty to see.
Looks very good for its age, one of the better integrated battle systems (fights happen in the standard exploration screen), very good music.

Only possible issues: Torayama character design, reminiscent of the first Dragonball - and his touch can also be felt in the mood of the story - in case you don't like him.
Got to emulate it (PS1 version is supposedly plagued by loading times), but with a cheap PS2>PC joypad adapter is pretty much like playing on a console.

Grandia (PS1)

The king of Happy Mood RPGs, again story and character driven.
Pace isn't as smooth as CT, but the battle system is among the absolute best in the genre.

Possible "problems": characters are little more than kids, the PS1 3d is pretty hideous by today standards. Not sure if it has been released in Europe, and might be hard to find.

Other possible choices, with a slighty more "realistic" tone:

Lunar Eternal Blue - PS1, outdated 2d graphics, anime fmv, simplistic battle system, funny writing, relatively more focused on the "love story" than average. No Euro release.

Final Fantasy 9 - PS1, one of the best looking PS1 RPGs, really cured, released in Euro, the italian translation tempts me to rip my eyes off.

Even more serious tone, still nothing close to dark:

Xenogears - PS1, heavyer on story, imo very good. No idea about an Euro release.

Tales of Phantasia 2 - PS1, random encounters + action battle system, good 2d graphics, main characters are flat but secondary ones and the world have their charm.

FF 6 - SNES, amazing game for its time, and still great today. Great music, deeper than any of its sequels, some really ispired characters.

FF 8 - PS1, the significant aspect of this one are the realistic looking characters, excellent FMV, focus on a (simplistic) love story. Released in Euro.

FF X, or FF X2 - PS2. I have a personal dislike for these, since Square characters became laughable, pretentious buffoons. Still, if that doesn't offend you, they brought the typical polish of Square on current gen hardware. If you want fanservice, X-2 is The Way. Both released in Euro, and IIRC horribly butchered in the process.

Shadow Hearts Covenant - PS2, one of my favorites. Adult but not taking themselves too seriously, fun characters to carry the show. Nice battle system, cool side quests (but only close to the end), a good amount of story and villains to keel. A little slow paced on the first hours, and will spoil to death the first SHadow Hearts, which is also a game really worth checking (but much more niche and unpolished).

Star Ocean 3, PS2, briefly played, has a messy battle system but might meet your tastes....

Be aware that:

Baldurs Gate, Planetscape, Fallout, KOTOR, etc.
They have their qualityes and have been recommended here, but what no one said is: they have NOTHING in common with Skyes of Arcadia, and are not geared for beginners -and I'm not implying they are necessarily better games for experienced players, either.

The mentioned Mario RPGs for GC and GBA may be good, but of course not exactly what one may choose if the reason he is attracted for RPGs is story, romance, or drama.

FF7 is often suggested, but I think mostly due being the first RPGs for many, and tecnicaly impressive for the time.
Today is ugly and nothing so special imo.

This, just from the top of my mind. There is a lot to pick from, if you don't confine yourself to this generation and Euro releases.
Also a lot of cool games with different takes on the genre - Valkyrie Profile and Final Fantasy Tactics for example were really something.
 
For GBA I'd recommend the Phantasy Star Collection - 3 games (one of them sucks but the other 2 are amazing) for like $20... but for some easily accessible RPGs, I think Tales of Symphonia, Shadow Hearts:Covenant, Chrono Trigger, FF4, FF6, FF7 are all good places to start.
 
First RPG I ever played was Dragon Warrior I. It's extremely simple by today's standards, but if you're going to get into the DQ (Dragon Quest) series, you might as well start at Square one :D
 
I have got plenti of friends adicted to rpg's with final fantasy VII, the only problem now is the graphics are a bit outdated. If you haven't played any rpg's, or just skies, then this is the game, the story will have you hooked, and a month latter you will own 7,8,9,10,10-2 :)
 
Go buy a turbo duo and a copy of cosmic fantasy! You'll have fun for hours and hours, old school style!
 
To be frank, Planescape: Torment is better than any of the console RPGs listed in this thread.

If you're unwilling to play PC games, then you're missing out on possibly the greatest story ever told in a videogame.
 
Beginner's RPG?

Grandia.

This was the first big RPG I played through, actually.. the second. FFVII was my first but I think Grandia would be perfect for you, it has everything, an easy to understand battle system, a great feeling of scale in regards to the story, and a high sense of adventure.

It's one of my favourites, it was on the PS1 so you might be able to find a copy to play on your PS2.
 
um trying a ''classic'' rpg like chrono trigger and other SNES stuff can bore you to tears in days when games on current consoles are so much more developed in content and presentation. There is no better way to get yourself OUT of rpg gaming then trying the old games. Don't brother. They were great for their time but that is it. As far as modern rpgs go there are some decent ones of PS2 that you should try out. And hey isn't PaperMario 2 an RPG? perhaps you should try that? Current RPGs just devour the sheer simplicity and complete lack of depth in old aka classic rpgs. Please don't bother =). It's like getting a brand new car but instead wanting to try out the classic 1980's shevy that is parked by the garbage dump. There is much fun to be had with current rpgs.
 
I was about to actually mention Grandia 2. I believe it's on PS2 or GC. It is worth trying. Way too easy but it has a good battle system. I wouldn't buy it personally but I got it for free for Dreamcast. Others seem to like it so it may be worth a try.
 
OK, listen, y'all are totally nuts.

MakMan is looking for a first RPG, right? One that he would hopefully like and would entice him to play further games in the genre? For someone like that, there's no way I would recommend Skies of Arcadia, which has some good points but drowns itself in endless fighting and stupid search quests. He'd never get anywhere near the end of the game. I also wouldn't have him anywhere near a Bioware RPG for his first shot, either, since even KOTOR can be foreboding enough to scare off newbies (voice of experience here).

No, for MakMan I would start him out by giving him Suikoden, or Suikoden 2 if it's not available. Yes, the first Suikoden. It's accessible, easy to learn, fast-paced, it's got an interesting story, and best of all, it's short and easily handled by a beginner. I don't know if they reached Europe, but the Arc the Lad games would be perfect as well. If you like those, then try some of the Square stuff like FF or Chrono Cross.

Best of luck.
 
Salt&Slug said:
OK, listen, y'all are totally nuts.

MakMan is looking for a first RPG, right? One that he would hopefully like and would entice him to play further games in the genre? For someone like that, there's no way I would recommend Skies of Arcadia, which has some good points but drowns itself in endless fighting and stupid search quests. I also wouldn't have him anywhere near a Bioware RPG for his first shot, either, since even KOTOR can be foreboding enough to scare off newbies (voice of experience here).

No, for MakMan I would start him out by giving him Suikoden, or Suikoden 2 if it's not available. Yes, the first Suikoden. It's accessible, easy to learn, fast-paced, it's got an interesting story, and best of all, it's short and easily handled by a beginner. I don't know if they reached Europe, but the Arc the Lad games would be perfect as well. If you like those, then try some of the Square stuff like FF or Chrono Cross.

Best of luck.
You might want to read the first post where he says he played Skies of Arcadia and that's what got him interested in console RPGs.
 
firex said:
You might want to read the first post where he says he played Skies of Arcadia and that's what got him interested in console RPGs.
Well, sure. In other words I'm dissuading him from picking Skies Legends again as his next RPG. It'd be like deciding to delve into movies and renting Das Boot as your first selection.
 
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