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Better Call Saul S2 |OT| The Truth Is Just A Point Of View - Mondays 10/9c
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Howard.
My guess is he didn't want to get caught up in a gang war (remember what he was mentioning about the Salamanca crew). He still managed to grant Nacho's request to an extent while being minimally involved.
What I didn't get in that episode was that whole ordeal with Mike's daughter-in-law. Not sure what she was trying to get out of that or why she had to lie about anything.
Ignatz Mouse
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From what I've read, Nacho was supposed to have a bigger part last season, but the writers were liking the Jimmy story going at a slower pace, so he didn't show up as much.
I think what we're seeing now is what we would have seen last season.
So, Chuck and Jimmy's convo made me think, cause of Jimmy's offer to quit being a lawyer, and he specifically said something like "Jimmy McGill will never be a lawyer again." Which obviously brings to mind the inevitability of him becoming Saul Goodman, right? And the reason for that change.
I'm wondering now if he screws up bad enough as Jimmy McGill with his current job that he gets disbarred, whereby Jimmy McGill literally can't be a lawyer anymore, so he has to become Saul Goodman to continue being a lawyer on his own terms.
I'm wondering now if he screws up bad enough as Jimmy McGill with his current job that he gets disbarred, whereby Jimmy McGill literally can't be a lawyer anymore, so he has to become Saul Goodman to continue being a lawyer on his own terms.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
This was my same guess. Something happens they he messes up that big and needs to change his name. Maybe even he makes a deal with someone and that is why he changes his name.
Ignatz Mouse
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I don't think he gets disbarred. He's still defending clients in ABQ, and they know him all over the courthouse. He can't just cop an alias and keep practicing.
Good point, he's already been on billboards as well so his face is known, in the legal community at the least. There was something about the specific language used by Jimmy in that scene though. I just looked up the scene and what he says is, if Chuck sets things right with Kim "I quit the law for good. No more Jimmy McGill, Esquire. POOF like he never even existed."
So maybe he continues to try to pull Chuck down to his level and get him to break the rules and "extort" Jimmy, and Jimmy comes through on his offer of Jimmy McGill poofing out of existence, only to come back as Saul Goodman and continue practicing law. He gets a win/win by forcing Chuck to get dirty while continuing to practice law on a technicality of his deal with Chuck.
HighResTomato
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That was the same arms dealer that sold Walt that 38 snub right?
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Yes it was.
And the machine gun, as well.
It's a good thing Mike has so much plot armour or he would have ended up like No Doze. Best one of Season 2 so far, although I am feeling the disconnect between the stories. I'm so invested in Jimmy and Mike that I feel disappointed when it cuts away from one of them.
Also anybody still saying Chuck is the villain clearly isn't paying attention.
Ignoring the Breaking Bad paradox, he was right about the cartel getting involved if Tuco dies. Considering the Salamanca Twins from BrBa, I'd say he made the right call.
Also anybody still saying Chuck is the villain clearly isn't paying attention.
Ignoring the Breaking Bad paradox, he was right about the cartel getting involved if Tuco dies. Considering the Salamanca Twins from BrBa, I'd say he made the right call.
theignoramus
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That actor plays a classic character from Deadwood.
This was a great episode. I dont think I remember BB telling us Mike was a Vietnam vet, that explains how he came to be so proficient at killing and maiming. Im gunna guess he was Special Forces, given his skill level in every type of combat.
Dubbedinenglish
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Mike still managed to steal those gloves lol.
CharminUltra
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Man, what a great episode.
I hope the show is doing at least decent ratingswise, cuz it's by far my favorite.
I hope the show is doing at least decent ratingswise, cuz it's by far my favorite.
PHOENIXZERO
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For cable it's doing just fine.
Ignatz Mouse
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They're certainly teasing that, even if it doesn't go down that way. It was no mistake that Jimmy worded it that way.
PantherLotus
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Until we see evidence otherwise, here are my main operating theories and resulting questions for the show.
[ ] Jimmy eventually changes his name to Saul Goodman after either being asked / forced / shamed into doing so by his brother. My guess is he makes a promise to never practice law as a McGill again (based on this episode!) and keeps that promise by changing his name. Does anyone disagree that his brother is at the heart of the name change?
[ ] Nacho is definitely killed. Whether by Gus or Tuco or some other Salamanca, who knows. Is there any question?
[ ] The real question is what happens to Kim. Is she killed? Does she move? Are they estranged once he changes his name / shames her career? The reason this is so compelling is because if she's alive, suddenly we have more hope for those scenes in the post-BB world.
[ ] What's funny to me is that both of Mike's major arcs over the first two seasons have been far more compelling, what do we really need to know? We know something goes screwy and he becomes no half measures guy who isn't queasy about dead bodies.
[ ] Expected future cameos: I definitely think we'll see Jesse since we're already starting to fill out the criminal underworld with minor players like Krazy 8. Gus seems like a lock. Who else will we definitely see?
[ ] At this show's current burn rate, I wouldn't be shocked if they wrapped it up after 3 seasons. Obviously I'm hoping for more as I think there's a lot lot more to dig into.
[ ] Jimmy eventually changes his name to Saul Goodman after either being asked / forced / shamed into doing so by his brother. My guess is he makes a promise to never practice law as a McGill again (based on this episode!) and keeps that promise by changing his name. Does anyone disagree that his brother is at the heart of the name change?
[ ] Nacho is definitely killed. Whether by Gus or Tuco or some other Salamanca, who knows. Is there any question?
[ ] The real question is what happens to Kim. Is she killed? Does she move? Are they estranged once he changes his name / shames her career? The reason this is so compelling is because if she's alive, suddenly we have more hope for those scenes in the post-BB world.
[ ] What's funny to me is that both of Mike's major arcs over the first two seasons have been far more compelling, what do we really need to know? We know something goes screwy and he becomes no half measures guy who isn't queasy about dead bodies.
[ ] Expected future cameos: I definitely think we'll see Jesse since we're already starting to fill out the criminal underworld with minor players like Krazy 8. Gus seems like a lock. Who else will we definitely see?
[ ] At this show's current burn rate, I wouldn't be shocked if they wrapped it up after 3 seasons. Obviously I'm hoping for more as I think there's a lot lot more to dig into.
Ignatz Mouse
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Agree on the name change and the reason.
Disagree on Nacho. He might be killed, but Saul mentions him in his debut in Breaking Bad. Eitehr he's alive, he's dead but Jimmy doesn't know, or he's dead btu Jimmy thinks he may have sent killers for him.
Agreed that Kim's fate is interesting.
Disagree on Nacho. He might be killed, but Saul mentions him in his debut in Breaking Bad. Eitehr he's alive, he's dead but Jimmy doesn't know, or he's dead btu Jimmy thinks he may have sent killers for him.
Agreed that Kim's fate is interesting.
Morrigan Stark
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I can't understand questions like this. Mike very, very clearly explains to Nacho why he thinks it's a bad idea. He spells it out explicitly. What more do you want?
Wow, really? Got a full quote? I wonder if he's just like, namedropping people and they retconned that name into a character in BSC or something. Interesting.
It's when Walt and Jesse bring Saul out and have his head bagged, he guesses who it is and his first guess is Ignacio.
And beaten with a link to the scene in question lol
Morrigan Stark
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Haha nice. Damn I really need to rewatch BB one of these days.
So it's what I thought, he's namedropping someone and they probably retconned that name into a character.
So it's what I thought, he's namedropping someone and they probably retconned that name into a character.
Actually, he thinks that someone named Lalo is after him, he just blames Ignacio for...whatever it was.
Yeah this whole Mike and Jimmy thing is hitting more and more weird. The two guys were totally on unrelated threads this episode? Not one overlap?
Jimmy v Chuck was great as always.
The joys of the one are pretty much entirely disjoint with the joys of the other. Both are extremely well executed versions of what they are tho.
Jimmy v Chuck was great as always.
The joys of the one are pretty much entirely disjoint with the joys of the other. Both are extremely well executed versions of what they are tho.
MetalGearZed
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girl bye. you need to watch BB right now! its all on NetflixHaha nice. Damn I really need to rewatch BB one of these days.
So it's what I thought, he's namedropping someone and they probably retconned that name into a character.
Morrigan Stark
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Huh? I said rewatch. I've seen BB.
MetalGearZed
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oh...carry on.. -_-
HoodWinked
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when mike accepted the deal initially to take out tuco i just figured he would fail to kill him since the paradox didnt expect what actually happened.
did anyone immediately realize that the boxing gloves jewelry would be tuco's from just the opening?
did anyone immediately realize that the boxing gloves jewelry would be tuco's from just the opening?
I don't think she was necessarily lying. Maybe she's just paranoid and mistook some other sound for gunshots.
flaxknuckles
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I don't feel mad at Chuck anymore, he's completely right through and through. It's easy to call him an asshole for his attitude, but he's been putting up with Jimmy's shit forever so why should he be soft on him?
My only problem with Chuck is that he didn't tell Jimmy off earlier instead of having the dude be his butler all the while he was job-blocking him. I still don't feel like Jimmy would have miraculously gotten better if Chuck wasn't keeping him from getting a lawyer job. He definitely would have fucked it up bad judging how the dumbass somehow didn't see an issue with pushing a such a predatory ad in the companies's name onto airwaves without approval.
And damn Mike, getting $25,000 just for getting your ass beat. I want that job.
My only problem with Chuck is that he didn't tell Jimmy off earlier instead of having the dude be his butler all the while he was job-blocking him. I still don't feel like Jimmy would have miraculously gotten better if Chuck wasn't keeping him from getting a lawyer job. He definitely would have fucked it up bad judging how the dumbass somehow didn't see an issue with pushing a such a predatory ad in the companies's name onto airwaves without approval.
And damn Mike, getting $25,000 just for getting your ass beat. I want that job.
NaturalHigh
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if it's a mechanical watch it would be fine right? Or does the fact that it still has a better affect that.
Doesn't seem like they necessarily meet again since Tuco is only said to be running the streets after Krazy-8 kicks the bucket. I feel like the only reason this subplot was here was to write Tuco out of the show after the fact that they brought him up in the first place as Nacho's boss. I only see them having a run-in if Gus comes back into the picture.
Morrigan Stark
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The "problem" is digital watches.
UnemployedVillain
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Wtf so Netflix is no longer showing new eps anymore? All of S2 is gone now
HP_Wuvcraft
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"You are such an asshole."
"Why? For saying she shouldn't believe in you?"
Wow, Chuck continues to be a shit.
He's just waiting for Jimmy to get fired.
And then when Jimmy says he'll quit? Chuck can't accept that because it's not someone else fucking Jimmy over. He has to make it about him. Jimmy must want him to do a felony.
Chuck's probably the most well-written villain because he's the most human.
"Why? For saying she shouldn't believe in you?"
Wow, Chuck continues to be a shit.
He's just waiting for Jimmy to get fired.
And then when Jimmy says he'll quit? Chuck can't accept that because it's not someone else fucking Jimmy over. He has to make it about him. Jimmy must want him to do a felony.
Chuck's probably the most well-written villain because he's the most human.
Daffy Duck
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This is my guess too, the language he used made it so he could do the whole technicality thing on chuck and be Saul and stick two fingers to Chuck.
I was with Chuck this time and thought he was right. Other than that I really dug the episode. Mike continues to be a badass and it was great seeing Tuco again. I didn't realize it was Krazy 8 in that scene so it was cool to see how that character started out and turned into Krazy 8 since Tuco is gone and locked up.
Dominican Power
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Great episode. Was that the same gun dealer Walt dealt with?
*Edit nvm, he is.
*Edit nvm, he is.
Dominican Power
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What year does this all take place in?
He was totally right. Jimmy screwed Kim over directly after she told him anything bad he does reflects badly on her, then went to Chuck expecting him to just erase his mistake, even though it wasn't even Chuck who punished her. It's great how we're seeing more and more of Chuck's point of view after his meltdown in S1. He's a much deeper character than just a villain who wants to sabotage Jimmy because he's jealous.
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