I felt he was almost ready to talk but then those 2 customers saved his ass and gave him an excuse to walk away from Chuck.
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I felt he was almost ready to talk but then those 2 customers saved his ass and gave him an excuse to walk away from Chuck.
Shotgun Kiss
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Holy shit, you have a very skewed sense of a happy ending.
Jesse might have been expressing "joy" when he escaped, but that's exactly the reason. He escaped. He's not got much to be happy about beyond that. His two last girlfriends are dead, he has no hope of reconciling with his parents after completely fucking them over, and he's probably going to start life over under a new alias, as Saul did. Even if the cops don't know about him, he doesn't know that for sure, and would be a fool to assume that's the case. However he previously backed out after the "Disappearer" came to pick him up last time, and Saul specifically said there were no second chances with him. Jesse would need to flee and start over on his own, which is significantly harder, and he may be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
As for Walt, he got revenge, and managed to arrange for Elliot and Gretchen to leave Walt Jr. some of his money, but that's it. That's far from a happy ending, as he traumatised his family, got his brother-in-law killed, forced Skyler and Walter Jr. to move into a shitty home and Skyler to take a shitty job. The money he left Walter Jr. was a fraction of what the Nazis stole from him; the rest was lost. And of course, he ended up dying himself.
Walt and Jesse got closure, but they didn't get happy endings.
As for Walt, he got revenge, and managed to arrange for Elliot and Gretchen to leave Walt Jr. some of his money, but that's it. That's far from a happy ending, as he traumatised his family, got his brother-in-law killed, forced Skyler and Walter Jr. to move into a shitty home and Skyler to take a shitty job. The money he left Walter Jr. was a fraction of what the Nazis stole from him; the rest was lost. And of course, he ended up dying himself.
Walt and Jesse got closure, but they didn't get happy endings.
Should be in Civil War OT.
^ pretty much. was leaving the guy like that a mistake? In hindsight, yeah, probably.
it's not ''the writing is inconsistent'' just because he didn't make the smartest move or because his plan didn't work though. you do see how clever and knowledgeable he can be but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to make mistakes.
ultimately he just wanted to take their money without killing the guy
TheSecondSpitter
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Involving the police may not have been the essence of Mike's plan (I am apprehensive why he would ask Nacho this if it was).
In any case, nobody likes a Gary Stu.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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"All things considered." Context is important.
Of course it's skewed given the universe we're discussing; considering plenty of other characters ended up dead, I'd say escaping from the worst moment of your life is a comparatively happy ending given the alternatives--and more importantly, from a narrative perspective, left it open for him to turn his life around. His final moment is basically the best he could have gotten given the circumstances, hence "all things considered."
I would also argue Walt got more far than closure; he got exactly what he wanted.
I would also argue Walt got more far than closure; he got exactly what he wanted.
I'm talking exclusively about the ending scenes; not whatever happened prior to them
triplestation
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i wonder whats going through hectors mind
Air Zombie Meat
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My guess is that Chuck will regress. He'd been getting out and battling his problem but now he'll be back to square one, perhaps even worse.
Seems like a step back for his character development though. I think we'll get something new.
Maybe he's totally over it when he wakes up.
While Jimmy McGill becomes Saul Goodman... Charles McGill goes on to become Charles Xavier.
Sectorseven
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I forget the name, but is the copier guy the same person Saul wanted to run the laser tag business?
MightyHedgehog
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Massive speculation on finale and onward:
I don't think Chuck's life or long-term health is threatened, but I think the incident will cause Jimmy to walk into the copy shop, take his brother to the hospital, and get Jimmy to agree to drop his given name to make amends with his brother, and to then start up his practice as Saul with the new commercial cementing the point of no return. In the case of Mike, after learning about what happened to the good Samaritan who was killed off, I think he's going to go nuclear on Hector and get the DEA on his tail and that may then allow for Gus' existing restaurant operation to take over for their trafficking arrangement which uses the ice cream truck. If I'm right, we can look probably forward to Mike's plotlines now involving Gus and Victor, probably Kuby and Francesca, too, throughout the rest of the show's run until they start crossing into concurrency with the BB timeline and, of course, afterward in Omaha with a possible reuniting of older Jimmy/Gene and a Kansas/Nebraska Kim.
I don't think Chuck's life or long-term health is threatened, but I think the incident will cause Jimmy to walk into the copy shop, take his brother to the hospital, and get Jimmy to agree to drop his given name to make amends with his brother, and to then start up his practice as Saul with the new commercial cementing the point of no return. In the case of Mike, after learning about what happened to the good Samaritan who was killed off, I think he's going to go nuclear on Hector and get the DEA on his tail and that may then allow for Gus' existing restaurant operation to take over for their trafficking arrangement which uses the ice cream truck. If I'm right, we can look probably forward to Mike's plotlines now involving Gus and Victor, probably Kuby and Francesca, too, throughout the rest of the show's run until they start crossing into concurrency with the BB timeline and, of course, afterward in Omaha with a possible reuniting of older Jimmy/Gene and a Kansas/Nebraska Kim.
peanutbutterlatte
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Edit: Utterly the wrong thread
If Mike feared this outcome then he should have strove to minimize it occurring, not increase the chances of it happening by leaving the driver out in the open as a beacon for passers-by.
My point is that the caliber of this mistake goes against everything we know about Mike from this show and thus i just don't buy it. It's as an inconsistent writing of him as it would have been if Chuck genuinely mixed-up the address. You would say 'no way' to that and to me it's the same with Mike leaving the driver in the open.
funkystudent
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Mike is totally going to have to kill Nacho isnt he?
Air Zombie Meat
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Perhaps Mike should have just made an anonymous call to the cops. Seems smarter than leaving it to chance.
Yeah, you're probably right that there'll be more to it than that. I can't see anything positive coming out of it though.
Yeah, you're probably right that there'll be more to it than that. I can't see anything positive coming out of it though.
I finally got round to watching this weeks episode and the ending hit me in a way that this or Breaking Bad hasn't done. The last few episodes have been great so I'm really looking forward to next week. I didn't realize until today that next week is the last episode so I'm curious where they leave it.
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TheSecondSpitter
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I read a rumor that
Danny PLAYUH Wormald of Squat Cobbler fame
Spoiled Milk
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There are only two kinds of heists.
Not going to happen. They're going to need to deal with the fallout from Chuck's accident first. If anything, they'll save it for the end.
CharminUltra
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Yup, the rainbow shot was godly.
Permanently A
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Damn Kim dropping those truth bombs but at the same time realizing Jimmy did it was excellent. I don't even have the words to describe the emotions I felt when I realized she stood up for him and spoke truths, but did it DESPITE knowing Chuck was right. Fucking... just brilliant.
I find the parallels between Skylar and Chuck interesting, and also the fact that lots of people hate Chuck too.
Also lots of Skylar haters seem to love Kim. Misogyny my ass! The truth is that Skylar was just a bad character.
I still hope Chuck is alive though. My guess is Saul calls 911 and has to explain why he was there.
Also lots of Skylar haters seem to love Kim. Misogyny my ass! The truth is that Skylar was just a bad character.
I still hope Chuck is alive though. My guess is Saul calls 911 and has to explain why he was there.
triplestation
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Nah, earnie will call 911 and/or jimmy and they'll go to the hospital together
I think Chuck will be alright, I'm hoping so too because I like him
I think Chuck will be alright, I'm hoping so too because I like him
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;_;7 fuck yeah murica
Starfield
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TheSecondSpitter
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Cool. Every Afro-Hispanic person who wears glasses and has a first name ending with "o" must be related.
Morrigan Stark
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Saul and Chuck are white men in Albuquerque.
OMG they must be related to Walter! I mean his name is Walter White. Hello?!
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I can't wait for Chuck to wake up at the end of the episode, look around his hospital room with all the machinery, and smile.
TheSecondSpitter
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I couldn't agree more.
I agree that she was not hated, generally, because of misogyny. Rather, I think she was despised mostly because of those #TeamWalt to the end people that didn't understand Walt's character and thought Skylar was unfairly breaking his balls.
Saying sexism wasn't an element in the hate campaign of Skyler because you like other women is the fictional gender equivalent of "I have plenty of black friends".
Morrigan Stark
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Or "racism is over, we have a black president".
ATOMICJORGE
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America F*ck Yeah! ._.7
Sho_Nuff82
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I still don't think it was sexism. Walter fans simply hated the idea of him being thwarted, doubted, sabotaged, guilted, or outsmarted. Skylar represented all those things, despite behaving like a normal housewife for the most part. She was a constant reminder that he was deceiving his family and putting them at risk, despite his best intentions, and I think that's what caused the irrational hatred in those who wanted to hero worship him.
I never understood the hate for Skyler myself, but i'm sure different people didn't like the Skyler character for different reasons.
Some for sexist reasons, some for other motivations (an example posted above).
That's one way to explain the love for Kim without it being a "i have black friends" scheme.
I think that's just stupid. That's like someone calling another person an anti-semite for being critical of Israel. You can't just toss that shit around.
LyleLanley
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This thread sure is going places.
peanutbutterlatte
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People dislike Kim? What?
The Real Napsta
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So given what we know so far, what would be the best way to introduce Gus Fring next episode?
Morrigan Stark
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That's not very convincing since a significant amount of people do hide their antisemitism under the "criticism of Israel" banner, lol
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