MetalGearZed
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Vince and his crew are meticulous as hell. and it pays off everytime
"Next, we shove this PPD up Chuck's ass."
::Credits::
Fantastic episode, like always. I see a couple of Emmy's for this season in the future
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Vince and his crew are meticulous as hell. and it pays off everytime
"Next, we shove this PPD up Chuck's ass."
::Credits::
Fantastic episode, like always. I see a couple of Emmy's for this season in the future
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
"Jimmy decides to represent a new client to Kim's dismay."
That's a clever episode description, Verizon
Reminds me of the Breaking Bad and the Mad Men info.
BMO = GOAT
Member
Hmm true, but remember when Walter goes to his office once, he is getting a "massage". And I doubt he would cheat on her, unless they are not even together, which is more likely.
If so, he must have done something REALLY unforgivable.
MetalGearZed
Member
Looks like (next episode preview spoiler). About timewe're going to have some Nacho next episode
I'm just sitting here waiting for Omar's sexy tail to grace the screen again.
Great episode. Chuck going after that law license. Feel bad for Kim trying to help Jimmy again.
The thing with the shoes at the opening is really interesting. It's the same shoes Mike throws up there later in the episode, but they're weathered so obviously some time has passed, and after the drug dog sniffed out Hector's truck, Fring's truck is running the same route...
The thing with the shoes at the opening is really interesting. It's the same shoes Mike throws up there later in the episode, but they're weathered so obviously some time has passed, and after the drug dog sniffed out Hector's truck, Fring's truck is running the same route...
Leona Lewis
Banned
The fact that I'm not the only one thinking this gratifies me greatly.
Lightningboalt
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Excellent episode, best of the season so far I'd say. I really believe that with the way Michael McKean played it, Chuck DOES have some shred of caring about Jimmy in him with his plan he presented to the lawyer. In his own warped way, that is. I side with Jimmy over Chuck, but the way that scene played out... to me, it was a really good humanizing moment for him. And there's been a fair few of those, but the way I read into the scene I felt it was one of the better ones. It felt to me like he views getting Jimmy out of the law (which he views as his thing alone) as something that will both protect the sanctity of the law and force Jimmy to find something else in life. He views it as protecting something he holds sacred and as cleansing his brother in one fell swoop. It's misguided and rooted in a bit of petty jealousy and overprotectiveness, but it's something that I feel is believable and a motivation that has depth to it. There was good some nuance in the performance there, it's the first time in a long time that I've actually believed Chuck doesn't 100% resent Jimmy.
limination
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Anywhere I can stream each week's latest episode (legally)?
MetalGearZed
Member
I mean, is he not a 10? lol
ooohh yeeeaa, that's right. forgot about that.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Compared to everyone else, easily an 11.
Let's just say this show's eye candy comes from its cinematography, not its cast
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Us wise probably amc.com.
Elwood Blues
Member
Nice to see Dr. Belinda Brown getting work.
Sectorseven
Member
That coke setup felt overly elaborate even by BB standards.
Cornballer
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- Sepinwall's review
- Onion A|V Club review
- NY Times review
- NY Mag review
- THR: 'Better Call Saul' Writer on Mike and Gus' Meeting, Kim's 'Sunk Costs' Love
- Sneak peek from Episode 4 (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Los Pollos Hermanos Employee Training with Gus Fring: Shipping & Receiving
- Onion A|V Club review
- NY Times review
- NY Mag review
- THR: 'Better Call Saul' Writer on Mike and Gus' Meeting, Kim's 'Sunk Costs' Love
- Sneak peek from Episode 4 (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Los Pollos Hermanos Employee Training with Gus Fring: Shipping & Receiving
Bounceounce
Member
Watching currently and I don't believe anything that Chuck's done has pissed me off more than firing Ernie (which I just paused at), definitely the closest I've come to "Fuck Chuck".
Saul seemed pretty ambivalent to his eventual disappearance, not like Walt who actually left people behind so I can only imagine him being without any loved ones at that point in history.
I've always held out hope that Kim being from the Midwest is no accident since Gene ends up there. Of course, Saul does not seem to like having to move to Nebraska in Breaking Bad at all, but obviously the Kim character hadn't been invented yet.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Holy shit, Jimmy dropping dose Truth Bombs on Chuck.
And I love the sound mixing in this show. Everything sounds so crisp. So clear.
And I love the sound mixing in this show. Everything sounds so crisp. So clear.
I'm bitter that international people get 4k Netflix episodes a day later while we Americans have to settle for 720p broadcast quality.
I'd bet money on the present day plot ending up with Saul trying to reconnect with Kim like at the very end of the show. Could either be a happy or sad ending, could see it going either way.
newtypepilot
Member
- another Kim montages! catchy music and visual style reminds me of Hot Fuzz.
- the opening scene is a flash forward to some point during Breaking Bad, but before the end of S4. Those worn out shoes are the same ones we see Mike throws onto the wire. We know that Gus will take over operations in New Mexico for the cartel since Hector gets confined to a wheelchair prior to BB.
- that foreshadowing from Jimmy.
- the doctor is the same one from Breaking Bad who saved Gus and Mike in the mobile tent after poisoning the Cartel.
- we finally get to see Mike fire his rifle.
- obligatory FUCK CHUCK
- the opening scene is a flash forward to some point during Breaking Bad, but before the end of S4. Those worn out shoes are the same ones we see Mike throws onto the wire. We know that Gus will take over operations in New Mexico for the cartel since Hector gets confined to a wheelchair prior to BB.
- that foreshadowing from Jimmy.
- the doctor is the same one from Breaking Bad who saved Gus and Mike in the mobile tent after poisoning the Cartel.
- we finally get to see Mike fire his rifle.
- obligatory FUCK CHUCK
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Chuck firing Ernesto simply because he could was a dick move.
Fantastic episode and beautifully shot. The whole thing about the sequence from the opening being from the future is insane.
I love the little things that Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan get right about the details like that dog thing someone mentioned before, but it makes other things in the show like the wrong AT&T logo being used for 2002 feel so strangely off.
I love the little things that Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan get right about the details like that dog thing someone mentioned before, but it makes other things in the show like the wrong AT&T logo being used for 2002 feel so strangely off.
Ernie has effectively sabotaged Chuck twice at this point. First when he lied to cover for Jimmy at the hospital. Now this. Well, it was actually a failed attempt at sabotage that fell for Chuck's bluff, but he nevertheless told Jimmy of the tape when Chuck gave expressed orders not to.
What would any reasonable employer do to an employee who has violated his trust and operations like Ernie did? Give him a raise?
Sorry, but as much as Chuck is a dick, not every action he takes is mustache twirling evilness. Firing a guy who has screwed you over once and attempted to do so a second time isn't being a dick, it's common sense literally anybody would do. Sorry if that disrupts your cartoon caricature perception of him.
Chuck is the most evil character in TV history.
""Chuck is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros. Fuck Chuck." - George RR Martin.
I mean that whole thing about Chuck intentionally setting Ernie up for sabotage by manipulating Ernie's morals and in the end leaving him high and dry is pretty important. That means Chuck intentionally got Ernie fired. Which yeah, makes him an asshole.
Yes, we have, and that is my conclusion on your assessment of him. Now, do you have something to actually say? Like something that can constitute an actual discussion? Or are you just gonna keep making with the driveby gifs?
1. I don't see how good intentions in any way absolves Ernie of his culpability. Regardless of Ernie just wanting to help out his friend, Chuck specifically said that he was not to inform Jimmy of the tape and he did. He still sabotaged him and he did it on his own volition. What if Chuck had been genuine and actually needed Jimmy to never know about the tape? Why would he keep around an employee who would fuck him over like that?
2. Even if you accept that, then he still has Ernie lying about calling Jimmy to the print shop. When Jimmy confessed, he effectively outed Ernie's cover up for him.
Nah man you don't get it, Chuck isn't a cartoon character and it's everyone else who's breaking the law. He's just doing what any good lawyer would do.
I, and many others, went into extreme detail refuting every claim you made about how we assess him, at this point you're just repeating the "cartoon character" crap to anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion on Chuck. You're not really interested in a discussion.
Daria Morgendorffer
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Chuck made Ernie hear the tape because he knew he'd tell Saul. Firing Ernie because of this is a dick move BECAUSE THE ACTION OF TELLING JIMMY IS SOMETHING THAT CHUCK WANTED TO HAPPEN.
I'm starting to think Chuck might be kind of a bad guy.
Yeah I'm not saying Chuck is entirely evil, because saying that would be doing the writers a disservice. There have been many times where he's been humanized, including the last couple episodes. You can see when he's being berated by Jimmy at the end of the last episode how he's in shock that Jimmy cares this much about them being a family and is taking it so personally. In this episode you see the consequences of that by his fear that Jimmy will leave him forever and thus he tries to lighten the sentence.
However, there's no getting around Chuck intentionally got Ernie fired which makes him an asshole.
However, there's no getting around Chuck intentionally got Ernie fired which makes him an asshole.
Yeah, the bluff is an act of bad faith and all that. He manipulated Ernie and THAT is a dick move. I agree.
But we're not talking about the bluff itself. We're talking about Chuck firing Ernie for attempting to sabotage him. Again, I ask: Why would any employer see fit to keep him around?
Because I find your assessment inadequate. Hence my conclusion that you, indeed, have a caricaturized view of him where any action he performs is a sign of his petty and spiteful nature. Like this particular conversation. Chuck manipulating Ernie is a dick move. But firing him for proving himself to be untrustworthy is just sensible.
I'm unreasonably excited for the moment where Jimmy and Chuck permanently break ties, or Chuck dies.
How is it sabotage when it's exactly what Chuck wanted Ernie to do? He gets let off the hook for being a devious psychological manipulator?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So you're saying that he fired Ernesto because Ernesto fell into his trap?
The only reason he would possibly fire Ernesto is to cover his tracks, and literally everyone at that point knew that it was a trap to begin with.
He could have fired him after his stay at the hospital. But no. He waited until he was done using Ernesto to fire him.
So yes, it was a dick move.
Eh, it's not like he's Hitler.
I explained this to duckroll but it's clear to me now that Chuck is as much of a con artist and manipulator as Jimmy, the main difference between them being Chuck works within the bounds of the law, and in so far as he's concerned, doing so morally justifies his actions, while Jimmy doesn't respect the law, and operates on his own moral code.
Name one time where you've seen Hitler and Chuck in the same room.
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What exactly is Ernie's job, anyway? I thought it was just getting supplies for him, a job where sabotaging wouldn't even enter into it. Chuck is involving Ernie in shit that he isn't even supposed to be involved in unless part of his job description is fucking Jimmy over.
At this point in the timeline, though, Jimmy still has morals while Chuck has basically none as long as he's within the bounds of the law. Which he's masterful at wielding and manipulating because of how well he knows it, and because of that I honestly think he's more of a bastard than Jimmy or Saul ever was.
Because he told him not to. Just because Chuck expected him to directly disobey him doesn't mean that Ernie is no longer culpable for his actions, and he disobeyed a direct command. Just because Chuck both saw it coming and used it to an advantage doesn't
No one is letting him off the hook for anything. But the consequence of the Chuck's bluff paying off is that Chuck now has evidence that Ernie is willing to sabotage him consistently. Anyone would fire him for that.
Chuck didn't have evidence then. By the time he got it, the tape recorder plan was already in motion. The entire reason the tape recorder plan exists in the first place is because Ernie covered for Jimmy when he had him for appearing at the print shop.
Yeah, so you're completely amoral. No point in even bothering with this.