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[Bounceounce]

It was a pretty slow episode, maybe the worst in the season but the scene between Mike and Nacho and the ending made up for all the other slow stuff. That smile at the end was some

type shit. It's maybe the most Saul thing Jimmy has done, I feel. What he did with Chuck, even though he hated tearing him down like that, he did because he felt he HAD to do it, this was just done out of malice. My boy Jimmy is breaking bad.

I thought this episode was better than last episode, felt like it had a common thread and character movement that was leading somewhere while last episode just felt like a bunch of spliced together scenes aside from the Nacho thread in my opinion.

I definitely really enjoyed this.

 

[Sectorseven]

Those music store guys were kind of dicks for backing out literally as the crew is setting up. Jimmy probably should have gotten some kind of deposit though.

 

[Lelcar]

It seems like Jimmy McGill is about to break bad

 

[Einchy]

I'm not really sure if it would be possible but it's going to be really bad news if Kim finds out Jimmy did that. She's already pretty broken up about helping him do that to Chuck and now if she finds out he's kicking him while he's down? I can't imagine she will stick around much longer.

 

[scitek]

I don't think that was Jimmy.

It was Bob.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Kim.

You're a good person.

But you of all people should not have bad feelings about tearing down Chuck. Yes, he's mentally ill, but he's still an asshole.

 

[Corpekata]

Damn, Jimmy's gone cold. Can see the shift toward Saul for sure now.

 

[Servbot24]

Probably my least favorite episode of the season but still really good.

It's pretty amazing how they get such great acting from guys known for comedic roles. Bob deserves some awards recognition for his work.

 

[Chase17]

When you have taken so many Ls and can only take solace in screwing over your mentally ill brother (again).

Pretty twisted.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

About a week ago I was wondering how we would get from Jimmy to the ruthless Saul persona...and here it is. Jimmy really turned a corner in this one. He's getting squeezed and trying to find a way to scrap off some control. We see it when the community service guy hits him with the "Could be zero" and then Jimmy spits that back at the delivery guy. Then he goes all super villain coming up with a legit scam for $5000, which would've put Kim in danger. Then that shit with the insurance company at the end, that was just coldblooded.

What really has me worried is that he doesn't seem to give a shit anymore. If they had done that credit card scam and gotten caught, Kim could be disbarred. That wasn't getting a dude to buy you drinks, that was a serious con job Jimmy was hatching.

 

[Cornballer]

- Onion A|V Club review
- Sepinwall's review
- NY Times review
- Indiewire review
- NY Mag review

- TVLine Interview: Better Call Saul's Rhea Seehorn on Kim's Guilty Conscience

- Sneak peek from next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Los Pollos Hermanos Employee Training with Gus Fring: Sustainability
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

This entire series has been one bad decision after another.

But damn, how quick Kim is to con people.

 

[HoJu]

This entire series has been one bad decision after another.

But damn, how quick Kim is to con people.

Weren't they just talking and joking around?

 

[Bounceounce]

Weren't they just talking and joking around?

Kim was joking around, not Jimmy to much (she was also trying to comfort him as well).

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

So, is Mike screwing Gus over?

 

[The Horror the horror]

I'm a little confused, what did Saul do to Chuck's insurance?

Jimmy essentially told Chuck's malpractice insurer that his brother was a liability to them through his mental incompetency. It would be like you going to your brother's auto insurance company and telling them you saw him driving through a school zone while under the influence.

 

[riotous]

Jimmy essentially told Chuck's malpractice insurer that his brother was a liability to them through his mental incompetency. It would be like you going to your brother's auto insurance company and telling them you saw him driving through a school zone while under the influence.

Yeah and even more serious really; since Chuck wasn't being sued the insurance company wouldn't just know off hand about the court testimony; now they do. So it's more like letting your brothers car insurance company know he testified in court to driving through a school zone under the influence lol.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Jimmy essentially told Chuck's malpractice insurer that his brother was a liability to them through his mental incompetency. It would be like you going to your brother's auto insurance company and telling them you saw him driving through a school zone while under the influence.

It was a really shitty thing to do. I'm sure it would have eventually happened, but still.

Jimmy is so polar in his personality. He is 100% committed to the idea of paying people for their time, and yet fucks Chuck over.

 

[fade_]

It was a really shitty thing to do. I'm sure it would have eventually happened, but still.

Jimmy is so polar in his personality. He is 100% committed to the idea of paying people for their time, and yet fucks Chuck over.

Chaotic good

 

[riotous]

It's just basic revenge; Chuck caused his rates to go up (from Jimmy's perspective) so he's going to return the favor. Honestly compared to scamming strangers out of money I don't see how this is some comparitively evil act. Jimmy has always compatmentalized the not so kind parts of his personality.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Her "ooooh...." right as Jimmy's tear rolled down his cheek was so hilarious I think it's my favorite moment in the entire series. What a brilliant actor.

 

[Einchy]

It's just basic revenge; Chuck caused his rates to go up (from Jimmy's perspective) so he's going to return the favor. Honestly compared to scamming strangers out of money I don't see how this is some comparitively evil act. Jimmy has always compatmentalized the not so kind parts of his personality.

Like you said, it's revenge and I don't really think he has ever done something just out of revenge. Yeah he has con people but it's because he needed the money or when he went after Chuck it was because he was fucking over Kim, which I think is more important to him than Chuck fucking with him, but this was just done because he wanted to hurt Chuck.

It really does feel like this is the first time we've seen Jimmy do something not out of self preservation but just out of pure malice. He knows Chuck is hurting right now, that he's at the lowest he has ever been, but he tries to rationalize what he did because he HAD to do it not just for himself but for Kim, but there's no rationalizing this and that smile tells us he doesn't give a fuck.

 

[Rymuth]

So, is Mike screwing Gus over?

Well, Gus specifically told him not to kill Tio. He never said anything about stopping other people from doing it.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Jeez, this episode has been brutal in so many ways.

Edit: Extremely brutal considering

Spoiler

that's how Mike dies as well as many of Walt's victims. No one ever finds them, all gone in acid

Ahh, good catch!

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Her "ooooh...." right as Jimmy's tear rolled down his cheek was so hilarious I think it's my favorite moment in the entire series. What a brilliant actor.

I truly believe that half of that was serious.

 

[Einchy]

I truly believe that half of that was serious.

Same, I think that he was serious and then the cogs in his brain started spinning and he realized he could fuck with Chuck and then he started acting. There's a point where Bob Odenkirk's acting goes from great (where I think it was Jimmy being real) to really shitty and wooden, I think that's where Jimmy started doing the con.

[edit]

Something I didn't really get was that story the lady told Mike. How exactly did that convince him to help Nacho? Was it cus her husband randomly got killed even though he wasn't in the game, like what will happen to Nacho's dad? Feels like I maybe missed something important in that scene.

 

[Creaking]

I thought this episode was better than last episode, felt like it had a common thread and character movement that was leading somewhere while last episode just felt like a bunch of spliced together scenes aside from the Nacho thread in my opinion.

I definitely really enjoyed this.

I agree. Last episode felt too much like an aftermath episode. It felt very short and without much in the way of progress. This episode feels like it's taking all the little things that were hinted at in the previous episode (sans Chuck) and really driving them ahead.

Here we've got Jimmy falling apart in a series of Kafkaesque mishaps, becoming increasingly bitter and vindictive.

We've got Mike being put back into play, and Nacho closing in on his plan for Hector, with the return of everyone's favorite baseball card/squat cobbler aficionado.

And we've got Kim starting to feel guilty about having a hand in Chuck's demise, and worrying--with multiple good reasons--about the state Jimmy is in.

 

[big_z]

Kim.

You're a good person.

But you of all people should not have bad feelings about tearing down Chuck. Yes, he's mentally ill, but he's still an asshole.

She's well aware that chuck is a pos. It's that she's seeing jimmy change into saul and she's questioning everything.

 

[stenbumling]

Oh man, Jimmy got me pretty good at first, but I couldn't stop laughing when I realized mid-point what he was up to. He officially crossed the rubicon in that very scene.

 

[VoxPop]

Maybe these pills are how Hector ends up in a wheelchair ringing that bell?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

She's well aware that chuck is a pos. It's that she's seeing jimmy change into saul and she's questioning everything.

She literally said she has negative feelings towards it.

 

[Mechanical Snowman]

Something I didn't really get was that story the lady told Mike. How exactly did that convince him to help Nacho? Was it cus her husband randomly got killed even though he wasn't in the game, like what will happen to Nacho's dad? Feels like I maybe missed something important in that scene.

I read it as reminding Mike about what happened to the 'good Samaritan' in the previous season.

It's been brought up before, but the more they write Mike as someone who is affected so strongly by his guilt of civilians getting murdered, the less his scene in Breaking Bad makes sense where he suggests murdering the train crew.

 

[Malleymal]

Here I am thinking all this chatter is about last week's episode and forgot that last night was Monday... crap... I have to watch the episode stat

 

[RecRoulette]

Like you said, it's revenge and I don't really think he has ever done something just out of revenge. Yeah he has con people but it's because he needed the money or when he went after Chuck it was because he was fucking over Kim, which I think is more important to him than Chuck fucking with him, but this was just done because he wanted to hurt Chuck.

It really does feel like this is the first time we've seen Jimmy do something not out of self preservation but just out of pure malice. He knows Chuck is hurting right now, that he's at the lowest he has ever been, but he tries to rationalize what he did because he HAD to do it not just for himself but for Kim, but there's no rationalizing this and that smile tells us he doesn't give a fuck.

I have to think that part of it is because Kim is actually feeling bad for Chuck and second guessing it. If what they did to Chuck didn't bother her, this wouldn't have happened.

Not saying he was doing it for her, this was purely a "Fuck Chuck" moment. But I can see that pushing him to do it.

Edit: In the preview for next episode

Spoiler

Is that a flashback or is Chuck actually out bringing the groceries inside in broad daylight. Chuck's coming back stronger than ever!

 

[duckroll]

Hahahahahaha. Wow what a dick! FWIW, I don't think Jimmy went in there planning to sabotage Chuck with an elaborate plan. It was more of a spur of the moment thing when he realized how fucked he was. It does show his bad side though, when he feels like he can't make his day any better, he just decided on a whim to fuck the person who he felt put him in that position.

 

[CoffeeExpress]

love this show, even the bad episodes are good.

 

[typist]

Kim mixed up those numbers with the Mesa Verde people, in some kind of unconscious self-sabotage which satisfies her need for karmic justice

 

[IggyChooChoo]

Kim mixed up those numbers with the Mesa Verde people, in some kind of unconscious self-sabotage which satisfies her need for karmic justice

They did make a big deal out of highlighting those numbers. It wouldn't be too crazy if they went that way.

 

[Erigu]

Hahahahahaha. Wow what a dick! FWIW, I don't think Jimmy went in there planning to sabotage Chuck with an elaborate plan. It was more of a spur of the moment thing when he realized how fucked he was.

Well, it's not like he went fishing for those premium details at all, so yeah, I think he was genuinely shocked / in despair. At first.

 

[Pillville]

I'm guessing the pills are what puts Hector in the wheel chair and cant talk

Maybe these pills are how Hector ends up in a wheelchair ringing that bell?

 

[Geg]

Things are starting to accelerate to a point where things could potentially end up close to the way things were before the start of Breaking Bad. Hector paralyzed because of Nacho's plan, Jimmy making the full transition to Saul, etc. Could this actually be the last season?

 

[Frost_Ace]

Goddamn the scene at the resturant was painful to watch. I can't wait for Kim to tell Kimmy to fuck off honestly, he doesn't deserve her one bit.

 

[MrBadger]

That last part was Jimmy's "stay out of my territory" moment.

Things are starting to accelerate to a point where things could potentially end up close to the way things were before the start of Breaking Bad. Hector paralyzed because of Nacho's plan, Jimmy making the full transition to Saul, etc. Could this actually be the last season?

Nah, they're going to focus on the events after Breaking Bad. Also I don't want this show to end

 

[Lothar]

Things are starting to accelerate to a point where things could potentially end up close to the way things were before the start of Breaking Bad. Hector paralyzed because of Nacho's plan, Jimmy making the full transition to Saul, etc. Could this actually be the last season?

We're still in 2003. Breaking Bad was 2008. That would be pretty crazy to go slow slow slow and then do a 5 year time skip. They just brought back Francesca and presented her as the opposite of her future counterpart. They have to show her change. Mike still has an issue with innocent people dying. He has to change.

 

[Dark_castle]

Hahahahahaha. Wow what a dick! FWIW, I don't think Jimmy went in there planning to sabotage Chuck with an elaborate plan. It was more of a spur of the moment thing when he realized how fucked he was. It does show his bad side though, when he feels like he can't make his day any better, he just decided on a whim to fuck the person who he felt put him in that position.

Jimmy sending Chuck to Belize.

 

[Human Trashcan]

I actually said out loud "you fucking asshole" when I cottoned on to what Jimmy was doing. He's been negligent and selfish for this entire show but this was pure spite and malice. Finally his true colors are showing. I was legit mad.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

I actually said out loud "you fucking asshole" when I cottoned on to what Jimmy was doing. He's been negligent and selfish for this entire show but this was pure spite and malice. Finally his true colors are showing. I was legit mad.

I was mad at what a manipulative, vindictive asshole he was, but a part of me was also pretty impressed at Bob Odenkirk's acting. I've been a fan of his since the freaking Ben Stiller show, who knew he had that in him?!?

Anyway, I like that we are seeing the knock-on effects of Jimmy/Kim ruining Chuck's reputation, as gossip spreads about Crazy Chuck. It is not unlike Breaking Bad showing the insidious spread of Walt's corrupting blue meth. I can't wait to see Chuck's revenge. You know it'll be incredible. I bet it'll be aimed at splitting Jimmy and Kim somehow. And I bet it'll work.

 

[Human Trashcan]

I was mad at what a manipulative, vindictive asshole he was, but a part of me was also pretty impressed at Bob Odenkirk's acting. I've been a fan of his since the freaking Ben Stiller show, who knew he had that in him?!?

Anyway, I like that we are seeing the knock-on effects of Jimmy/Kim ruining Chuck's reputation, as gossip spreads about Crazy Chuck. It is not unlike Breaking Bad showing the insidious spread of Walt's corrupting blue meth. I can't wait to see Chuck's revenge. You know it'll be incredible. I bet it'll be aimed at splitting Jimmy and Kim somehow. And I bet it'll work.

I don't think the Kim/Jimmy split (which we all know is coming at some point) needs any help from Chuck to happen. To quote the "greatest" movie of all time, Star Wars Episode 3: "You did that yourself". Kim actually has a conscience and already feels bad for what they did to Chuck (as she should, since Jimmy's messing with the numbers is what got it all started in the first place, and she is benefiting from that still). He's just going to keep pushing her away with his actions.

 

[Aiii]

The endgame for Kim should be her sabotaging her own career, hitting rock bottom and getting addicted to blue meth, Jimmy's redemption arc in the future can be getting Kim into rehab.

 

[tmdorsey]

I don't think the Kim/Jimmy split (which we all know is coming at some point) needs any help from Chuck to happen. To quote the "greatest" movie of all time, Star Wars Episode 3: "You did that yourself". Kim actually has a conscience and already feels bad for what they did to Chuck (as she should, since Jimmy's messing with the numbers is what got it all started in the first place, and she is benefiting from that still). He's just going to keep pushing her away with his actions.

The bolded wouldn't have happened if Chuck would have just let Kim have Mersa Verde.