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Biggest fanbase betrayal?

Unison said:
Personally, I'd say the switch to online was more of a betrayal!

PSO was still cool though! It just wasn't what the fans REALLY wanted.
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Now that you bring it up, PSO Ep 3 should have resulted in someone being shot

Although PSU's art design creeps me out even more than the androids with tits in PSO. Hopefully the game is fun at least :P
 
Unison said:
I don't think so at all... I had way more fun playing FFII on the GBA (which I'd never played before) than FF 7, 8 or 10.
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It's still oldschool. Square seem to become more daring with FF7 on, they're trying alot of different potentially risky things with the series and its all been for the better I think. FF9 was the one that wasn't which I didn't like at all. It was a rather mediocre tribute to the other games which didn't really need to happen.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Yah the biggest being nostalgia.
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Same can be said for fanboys still fapping to FF7.
SolidSnakex said:
It's still oldschool. Square seem to become more daring with FF7 on, they're trying alot of different potentially risky things with the series and its all been for the better I think.
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:lol DARING? Other than making openly gay men prominent characters and increasing bust sizes across the board I haven't seen anything remotely daring.
 
SolidSnakex said:
It's still oldschool. Square seem to become more daring with FF7 on, they're trying alot of different potentially risky things with the series and its all been for the better I think.
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You're nuts.

FF9 was the one that wasn't which I didn't like at all. It was a rather mediocre tribute to the other games which didn't really need to happen.
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Yeah, for what it's worth, I don't love FF9 or anything. It's just preferrable to the other PSX era ones.
 
I think what's being termed nostalgia is actually a preferrence between choices in game design. The SNES & NES Final Fantasy games had no load times, less intrusive story sequences, sprite-based graphics, different battle systems, etc...

Those games are fundamentally different than what's come later. It's not just nostalgia to have a preference when the games are that radically different from each other.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Square seem to become more daring with FF7 on, they're trying alot of different potentially risky things with the series and its all been for the better I think.
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That massage simulator/male teen masturbation aid FFX-2 was daring indeed

Ugh. UGH. UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH.
 
Victrix said:
That massage simulator/male teen masturbation aid FFX-2 was daring indeed

Ugh. UGH. UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH.
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Like it or hate it, you can't deny that it was a big risk. First sequel to any FF and an all female cast.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I don't know how this plays into the argument....but Dual Hearts is really bad.
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It's not too bad, certainly better than Alundra 2. Better than Kingdom Hearts too actually.
 
Mario RPG - Worst Mario game ever. Damn you Nintendo for letting shitty developers like Square make Mario games... and now they're doing it again with Mario Basketball. :(
 
SolidSnakex said:
Like it or hate it, you can't deny that it was a big risk. First sequel to any FF and an all female cast.
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*stares at you to make sure you're not joking*

Big risk

The whole point was that it was not a big risk. It re-used the FFX engine so they could churn out a quick money making sequel. They threw in a bunch of tits to guarantee its appeal to a certain segment of the market. Clearly they have their audience pegged.

See also: All the FFVII rehashes they're churning out a record rate currently to either a) refill their coffers from the bath they took with the movie, or b) the new Squeenix is risk-averse and wants to cash in on the goodwill and fanbase they've built up over the years. Advent Children? Dirge of Cerberus?

Doing an FF 'proper' sequel has always been a pure no brainer, I always respected that they did NOT do so, for the longest time. And then when they finally do, not only is it a sequel to a meh FF, it's a sequel done in the most insulting manner possible. Pander to the lowest common denominator in an effort to get sales and recoup the cost of the engine development.

Big risk indeed.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Doesn't get much more nostalgic than that.
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The PSX games were pretty ugly, though. The SNES ones still look fine. I'm not complaining about the PS2 Final Fantasy games, which look fine.
 
Unison said:
The PSX games were pretty ugly, though. The SNES ones still look fine. I'm not complaining about the PS2 Final Fantasy games, which look fine.
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When FF7, FF8 and FF9 came out you thought they looked ugly?
 
SolidSnakex said:
When FF7, FF8 and FF9 came out you thought they looked ugly?
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There are very few 3d PSX/N64 games that looked good, imo.

I had a PC w/ a 3d card at the time and it made them look assy.

2d graphics pretty much looked better than 3d ones until the Dreamcast came along.
 
borghe said:
if we aren't just talking about system changes but gamestyle changes, I think it would be hard to argue against this as the SINGLE biggest betrayal of all time.......:

Sonic Adventure.

The last proper sonic game we got was Sonic 3 which I think overall was incredibly well received. To go from that (and its expansion pack) to Sonic Adventure well.... obviously Sega was hoping to make a SMW->Mario 64 transition, and while Sonic Adventure had its highlights, it was anything but....
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Sonic and Knuckles ownz you. Play that sucker with the double cart starting with Sonic 3 and you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
Jive Turkey said:
Has nothing to do with old school...It is just FF7, 8 and 10 have all sucked in both battle system and story aspects.
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Wait, what? VII and VIII have the same damn battle systems all the other FF games have, just with different magic/customizing systems, and X has THE best battle system in the entire FF series (just basically everything else about the game more or less sucked to varying degrees).
 
Even bigger: Yu Suzuki betraying gamers by not finishing what he started with Shenmue. I guess Lan Di fucking won and Ryu is working at a Burger King in Hong Kong to raise money to go back home to Tokyo.

He can forget about Nazomi, she's dating a wigger from Canada and works at a nail shop in the mall.

Don't start what you can't finish, Suzuki-san.
 
Himuro said:
Bullshit. FFVIII and IX are still the most amazing looking psx games along side Vagrant STory. What the FUCK are you smoking?
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I was jaded by my PC, which made the consoles of the era look lousy. I didn't much like the consoles that gen, that's for sure.
 
Himuro said:
Bullshit. FFVIII and IX are still the most amazing looking psx games along side Vagrant STory. What the FUCK are you smoking?
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PC games.

PSX stuff looked like something from 1786 in comparison.
 
Himuro said:
I said psx. Not pc. And FFVIII and IX still looked great compraed to pc games that came out around then, especially ugly shit like half life. I'm talking about 3d not 2d btw.
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No. PC games blew away PSX games. They made 3d during that era tolerable. I preferred 2d until Dreamcast hit though.
 
Himuro said:
Well since I'm just now getting into pc, please post pics pf pc titles from that era.

Even though FFVIII and IX may not have been better looking than the pc titles (assuming) to act like they were ugly seems really dumb to me.

The pc titles I've played from that era never looked as appealing FFVIII, IX, or VS. None of them. These titles range from Half Life to Grim Fandago to Duke Nukem 3d and I was never as impressed as I was with the psx FF's with Grim being the only exception. But even then, the character models for that game are pretty ugly to me.
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You simple do not like "western" art, wich is perfectly fine. I personally thought that FFVIII looked like utter shit a lot hanks to the art direction that FF game took, while FFIX was somewhat better but still both of them were pixelated lowres mess, especially compared to what was available on the PC at that time.
 
SolidSnakex said:
like it or hate it, you can't deny that it was a big risk. First sequel to any FF and an all female cast.
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big risk? you got to be kidding. that game had quick cash-in written all over it.
 
Himuro said:
And FFVIII and IX still looked great compraed to pc games that came out around then, especially ugly shit like half life.
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*Punches nails into face*

You've gotta be joking. This HAS to be a joke.
 
Unison said:
There are very few 3d PSX/N64 games that looked good, imo.

I had a PC w/ a 3d card at the time and it made them look assy.

2d graphics pretty much looked better than 3d ones until the Dreamcast came along.
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I agree with this man. And I didn't even have a competent PC back then. There are a total of, like, five 3D games from the era that didn't make me sob at how ugly they were. Even the FF games, ugh. The only thing that impressed me at the time was the CG, and how it progressively got better with each of the games. The Balamb vs. Galbadia fight was impressive.
 
Exclusive deals that exploit & leverage loyal fans.
Square and Enix to the PlayStation camp in light of N64 carts
Resident Evil to Gamecube

I don't have a problem with either of these moves, its clear that they were both good deals on the part of the first parties. Contrary to the persistent misinformation that people peddle here, Capcom seemed to have had realistic expectations when it came to most of the Capcom 5. For those that bombed, there were brethren bombing on other consoles too. As much of an Earth-moving event as it was for RE fans, you can count dozens of NES/SNES originated franchises on Sony hardware today. And RE probably peaked in terms of sales with the original RE2/3 releases on the original PlayStation.... the matter of Square and Enix makes that deal look small-fries by comparison. It changed the entire landscape. Their move to Sony's side in protest at Nintendos (in many ways) costly choices... the subsequent swing of support... the eventual merger... Assuming GTA still has the same kind of pull it has today in the coming years, I think Rockstar switching platforms would probably be the contemporary equivilent of such an event. Even then, that might not be big enough.


Platform "agnostic" SEGA.

Their best titles should have been multiplatform, with the middle of the road shit divvied out willy nilly / however they pleased.

Instead - post-dreamcast PSO went to the wrong machine in hindsight, then they pulled a U-turn and made Phantasy Star Universe Sony & PC exclusive... Shenmue, Panzer Dragoon and Jet Set Radio are franchises great enough to have been multiplatform. With the right hype they would have exploded on other platforms... the SEGA Ages games (a celebration of SEGA history) were relegated to one console also. I would argue that some of the SEGA Ages series might have done really well with the Nintendo audience, many of whom remember playing the games for the first time.... SEGA insist on making shit like Sonic Riders when they can potentially create greatness like Daytona, NiGHTS, Samba di amigo, Space Channel 5 and so on. They really need to re-think what they make and where they put it next gen. They fucked it up horribly.
 
glimmerman said:
wait wait wait, I got one!!

Sam and Max: Freelance Police
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Wouldn't Lucasarts and Sierra abandoning adventure games in general be considered a betrayal? An economically sensible betrayal perhaps, but a betrayal of the current fan base (and in Lucasarts case atleast) high development standards none the less.
 
Eric_S said:
Wouldn't Lucasarts and Sierra abandoning adventure games in general be considered a betrayal? An economically sensible betrayal perhaps, but a betrayal of the current fan base (and in Lucasarts case atleast) high development standards none the less.
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stopping the production of possibly one of the greatest adventure franchises just before release rates pretty high up there for me.

Oh, and while I'm at it, the original BC2k. I won't even bother with the summoning.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
the SEGA Ages games (a celebration of SEGA history) were relegated to one console also. I would argue that some of the SEGA Ages series might have done really well with the Nintendo audience, many of whom remember playing the games for the first time.
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Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing new SEGA AGES lines for each of the current handhelds. Pixel perfect MD ports for GBA, perfect Saturn ports for DS and perfect DC ports for PSP would work really well I think... something along the lines of this...

SEGA AGES 2500 Advance
-Vol.1 Sonic the Hedgehog
-Vol.2 Bare Knuckle
-Vol.3 Shining in the Darkness
-Vol.4 Gunstar Heroes
-Vol.5 VR Virtua Racing
-etc

SEGA AGES 2500 DS
-Vol.1 NiGHTS... into dreams
-Vol.2 Virtua Fighter 2
-Vol.3 Sega Rally Championship
-Vol.4 Panzer Dragoon
-Vol.5 Magic Knight Rayearth
-etc

SEGA AGES 2500 Portable
-Vol.1 Sonic Adventure
-Vol.2 Virtua Fighter 3tb
-Vol.3 Sega Rally 2
-Vol.4 Space Channel 5
-Vol.5 Eternal Arcadia
-etc
 
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