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[olimario]

My biggest problem with the PSP is that games take forever to access. It takes so long to get to a game from system start.
I tested this with Lumines PSP and ZooKeeper DS, both great puzzle games.

From PSP Bootup to starting a game of Lumines
46 seconds

From DS Bootup to starting a game of ZooKeeper
12 seconds



And my biggest DS problem is how often I have to shut down and turn the system back on while I'm messing with settings or using the alarm clock. I can not go from alarm clock to game, but rather I have to shut it down, start it back up, and start the game.

I wish there was an update that fixed this problem.

 

[jarrod]

Size. Both are too big to be pocketable. PSP needs a clamshell too.

 

[The Main Event]

Good thing you didn't try ATV Off Road Fury for the PSP. You can bake a cake while waiting for the game to load, HONESTLY.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Size. Both are too big to be pocketable. PSP needs a clamshell too.

Bingo. Nail meets Head. Film at 11.

 

[Mrbob]

From bootup to start of a PSP game in sleep mode - 2 seconds.

If you are gonna bitch about load times in PSP games choose a better example.

Like Untold Legends.

 

[Idioteque]

The DS has no good games.

 

[krypt0nian]

Someone doesn't know about PSP sleep mode.

Problem solved!

 

[DKJB79]

DS has no good games ? :lol
u don't know what you're talking about...

 

[Blackace]

The DS has no good games.

Trolling...trolling...trolling...your punkass is trolling!

(to the tune of Rawhide)

 

[olimario]

I know about sleep mode, but I'm not always jumping into a game from sleep mode.

 

[Gaia Theory]

From bootup to start of a PSP game in sleep mode - 2 seconds.

If you are gonna bitch about load times in PSP games choose a better example.

Like Untold Legends.

Yes, and we all have our PSPs in sleep mode MOST of the time? Yeah right. Then your battery would just have less life in it for games.

Sleep mode sucks for both DS and PSP - pretty pointless feature I think.

 

[olimario]

Yes, and we all have our PSPs in sleep mode MOST of time? Yeah right. Then you're battery would just have less life in it for games.

Sleep mode sucks for both DS and PSP - pretty pointless feature I think.

It's great if your game gets unexpectedly inturrupted, but most of the time I just turn the system off until I'm ready to play again.

 

[Spencerr]

Trolling...trolling...trolling...your punkass is trolling!

(to the tune of Rawhide)

Great, now that will be stuck in my head all day.

 

[kaching]

PSP: Doesn't support standard-sized Memory sticks, which are more abundantly available than Duo-sized sticks in the larger capacities.

DS: Two screens

 

[krypt0nian]

Yes, and we all have our PSPs in sleep mode MOST of the time? Yeah right. Then you're battery would just have less life in it for games.

Sleep mode sucks for both DS and PSP - pretty pointless feature I think.

Actually we DO have our PSP's in sleep mode most of the time. There was a big thread on it. It draws close to zero power - so you would be wrong.

 

[Spencerr]

The biggest problem with both are fanboys.

 

[Unison]

The biggest problem with the DS is the epilepsy warning. Gosh that gets old.

 

[Mrbob]

Always have my PSP in sleep mode. The battery drain is extremely minimal.

The biggest problem with both are fanboys.

Without fanboys, GAF would be boring!

 

[robertsan21]

i do not find the loading times to be a problem on my PSP, i mean how can i play games with graphics like that on a handheld and not expekt that the game have loading times.

The PSP is my favorit Game console at the moment, i have not touched my GC,PS2 since i got the PSP.

i go everywhere with my PSP exept to the beach, the screen in sunlight sucks as much as the GBA screen did.

played the DS at my local store and just found it really boring.
i am sorry nintendo but i wont buy your DS...lets hope the Next GBA will be having more powerful hardwear and have a design that i can show of in public without getting laughed at.

 

[olimario]

Actually we DO have our PSP's in sleep mode most of the time. There was a big thread on it. It draws close to zero power - so you would be wrong.

Even from the main menu to a game takes 40 seconds.
So sleep mode doesn't help too much if I'm listening to mp3s, put it into sleep mode, and decide to start a game later.

 

[Gattsu25]

The biggest problem I have with the PSP is the analog nub...I honestly hate that thing
the biggest problem I have with the DS is the lack of properly used assets...the mic, touch screen, and dual screens have yet to be fully realized IMO

 

[krypt0nian]

Even from the main menu to a game takes 40 seconds.
So sleep mode doesn't help too much if I'm listening to mp3s, put it into sleep mode, and decide to start a game later.

I don't find 40secs to be bad. It is disc based you know.

 

[Jonnyram]

Sleep mode is cool and all, but as memory stick stuff takes off, I think we're gonna start complaining about load times more

My complaints then...
PSP - too shiny, fingerprint problem
DS - speaker pop when turning on/off

 

[olimario]

I don't find 40secs to be bad. It is disc based you know.

It is a 'pick-up-and-play' handheld, you know. When I have just a few minutes before my next class or before I have to thread up my next movie at work, nearly a minute of waiting just to play is a long time.
That is why I usually play the 6 minute games of ZooKeeper.

 

[Unison]

PSP should have used carts... UMDs are just poorly designed through & through. They seem to exist more to allow for movies than to facilitate games, which seems like misplaced pirorities to me.

The nub is indeed awful & would be my #1 complaint about the system.

 

[krypt0nian]

It is a 'pick-up-and-play' handheld, you know. When I have just a few minutes before my next class or before I have to thread up my next movie at work, nearly a minute of waiting just to play is a long time.

Never had a problem with pick up and play myself. Not sure what you mean. If 40secs is a problem, you don't have time to play. People watch or look out the window.

perhaps tighten your shoe laces?

 

[Taichu]

Sleep Mode for DS is pretty nice. All you do is close the system to enter Sleep Mode, and open it to deactivate Sleep Mode. A light is also displayed so you can see the system is still on if you forget. I've used it quite a few times for Yoshi Touch & Go... stupid people interuppting me in Marathon mode!

My biggest problem with DS is the inablity to play old GB games. I understand it's supposed to be a third pillar/not a Game Boy, but it would have been nice. I hope an adaptor comes out.

My biggest problem with PSP is cost. For the system and games.

 

[Jonnyram]

I don't find 40secs to be bad. It is disc based you know.

That 40 secs could be better spent "throwing one over the thumb"

 

[Spencerr]

DS - speaker pop when turning on/off

My god, you're so right. Hate it.

 

[Christberg]

From bootup to start of a PSP game in sleep mode - 2 seconds.

If you are gonna bitch about load times in PSP games choose a better example.

Like Untold Legends.

Holy crap the load times in that are bad... ugh.

There's lots of problems with both units.

The PSP, for all it's expensiveness has a really chintzy, floppy memory stick port, the battery cover is so cheap it'd snap if you sat on it, and the metal latches for the drive assembly aren't exactly what I'd call "high quality" either. Then, let's not even mention the fact that the battery takes about 3 hours to charge- and you get 4-6 hours of playtime out of it. It's like test driving an Infiniti G35, except the dashboard was yoinked out of a early 90's Cavalier when you find shit like that.

On top of that, by the time you properly get the thing set up for media playback it's cost you 400 dollars for just the hardware, and it's still nowhere near as good a music player as a disc based solution.

Then there's the load times which are the antithesis of portable gaming. Want to play a puzzle game for 5 minutes? hahahahaha... (I have Ridge Racer and Untold Legends, so maybe I'm a little harsh here- loading times in those though? Atrocious)

Has 5 good games, and is about to have a huge drought.

EDIT:Forgot about the analog nub... what a POS! fricking useless.

Now, the DS, on the other hand...

Needs some fucking texture filtering.

The face buttons are too damn small.

Is a damned unergonomic, not very portable brick. Teh hand owies.

Doesn't have hot swappable games... grrrrr... can't get to pictochat whithout rebooting the thing... grrrr...

The screens on it aren't bad, until you tilt them 20 degrees or so, and then it's a washed out mess.

Is just one more thing I have to carry in my pocket in addition to the litany of cell phones, music players, PDAs, and other shit I lug around on a daily basis. Multifunction is nice when it's portable (but not so nice under your TV).

DS software library is off to a slow start. Good thing it plays GBA games


This concludes "grumpy old man portable edition" post.

 

[Unison]

If 40secs is a problem, you don't have time to play.

Untrue... At least for people like me who ride the subway.

 

[Ironclad]

My main problem with the PSP is that the speakers are terrible. Sound quality through headphones is great, but I think the DS sports better speakers.

DS: I wish they would have found a way to put GBA games into sleep mode when you shut the unit. Sure some GBA games have a sleep mode that you can access through a menu, but it would have been great to have this feature in there as well.

 

[olimario]

And 40 seconds really is bad. It's bad for consoles and it's horrible for handhelds. And if you don't think it is, consider the 12 second alternative.

If 40secs is a problem, you don't have time to play.

Untrue. I can play 6 minute games of ZooKeeper between movies at work.

 

[robertsan21]

whats up with this nub complaining?

i think the nub works fine! i love the feel of it while i am playing and it is located at the perfect place

 

[krypt0nian]

Untrue... At least for people like me who ride the subway.

I ride every day and have yet to have any issues. Click out of sleep mode. Instantly into Lumines. Hit sleep again when its my stop.

Where is the problem? Zero loading.

 

[krypt0nian]

And 40 seconds really is bad. It's bad for consoles and it's horrible for handhelds. And if you don't think it is, consider the 12 second alternative.


Untrue. I can play 6 minute games of ZooKeeper between movies at work.

And you can play 6mins of any other game coming out of sleep mode. Or get this, 5min and 20secs of any other games if you need to change.

 

[olimario]

I ride every day and have yet to have any issues. Click out of sleep mode. Instantly into Lumines. Hit sleep again when its my stop.

Where is the problem? Zero loading.

But if you want to listen to a song then jump into a game, it's 40 seconds.
Or if you're starting the system for the first time for the day, it's 46 seconds.

You sure are going to great lengths to act like this isn't a problem for some of us.

 

[Mrbob]

whats up with this nub complaining?

i think the nub works fine! i love the feel of it while i am playing and it is located at the perfect place

It took me awhile to adjust to it, but now that I have I must say it does work well.

But if you want to listen to a song then jump into a game, it's 40 seconds.
Or if you're starting the system for the first time for the day, it's 46 seconds.

You sure are going to great lengths to act like this isn't a problem for some of us.

You just said it is inconvenient for your 6 minutes between movies. You gonna listen to a 4 minute MP3 and then play Lumines for 2 minutes? Ok.

 

[krypt0nian]

But if you want to listen to a song then jump into a game, it's 40 seconds.
Or if you're starting the system for the first time for the day, it's 46 seconds.

You sure are going to great lengths to act like this isn't a problem for some of us.

If you turn it off, that's on you. If you're switching and 40secs is really a off-putting issue, you're going a long way to prove it IS a problem. :lol

Some people get up in arms when the wind blows the wrong way I guess.

 

[Unison]

My main problem with the PSP is that the speakers are terrible. Sound quality through headphones is great, but I think the DS sports better speakers.

I forgot about this, because I tend to listen to my MP3 player instead of the PSP game music... The DS has better speakers. Electroplankton proves it beyond a doubt.

The best thing about the DS is that because the control input on games like Zoo Keeper / Yoshi / Pac Pix is so excellent & distinctive on the system, I find that I sometimes play it at home, which is a first for me with a so-called "portable" system. I can't imagine why I'd bother to play any PSP game at home when I have a PS2.

 

[olimario]

And you can play 6mins of any other game coming out of sleep mode. Or get this, 5min and 20secs of any other games if you need to change.

14% of my play time spent loading. Not worth it.

 

[krypt0nian]

14% of my play time spent loading. Not worth it.

LOL

 

[Mrbob]

You help give Nintendo fans a bad name once again, Oli. Congrats. I'm surprised they haven't kicked you to the curb yet. Or maybe they have tried but you just try to keep coming back only to get smacked again.

 

[olimario]

If you turn it off, that's on you. If you're switching and 40secs is really a off-putting issue, you're going a long way to prove it IS a problem. :lol

Some people get up in arms when the wind blows the wrong way I guess.

15% of my playtime spent loading is an issue and it should be for everybody, especially with the alternative of 2% of play time with the DS in a 6 minute game.

Are you guys seriously defending 40 fucking seconds of loading a game? My gosh.

 

[Unison]

I ride every day and have yet to have any issues. Click out of sleep mode. Instantly into Lumines. Hit sleep again when its my stop.

Where is the problem? Zero loading.

Well, he's comparing startup times, so you're presumably changing the game...

But tons of PSP games have horrible load times in the game itself, so it's not like it's a non-issue. I certainly found Tiger Woods PSP unplayable due to them, and Darkstalkers is exceptionally annoying.

 

[Unison]

Are you guys seriously defending 40 fucking seconds of loading a game? My gosh.

I totally agree with this. I'd be unhappy with 40 seconds of load times on a console or PC game. I don't see how it's acceptable on PSP.

 

[Blackace]

load times on a handheld is a turn off... not saying that ir is bad enough not to own a PSP.. but a drawback, I mean after the Gameboy with almost no load times it is something that people have gotten used to...

 

[krypt0nian]

15% of my playtime spent loading is an issue and it should be for everybody, especially with the alternative of 2% of play time with the DS in a 6 minute game.

Are you guys seriously defending 40 fucking seconds of loading a game? My gosh.

Were you banned again when we talked about this in December? Or is this your latest attention grab here gone awry?

If you're going to act like this is a big unknown that has suddenly been revealed to you and needs attention, take it to IGN where they do this everyday.


Tragic.

 

[olimario]

These people won't consider the DS hardware when talking graphics, but demand we consider medium when talking load times. :lol

Were you banned again when we talked about this in December? Or is this your latest attention grab here gone awry?

If you're going to act like this is a big unknown that has suddenly been revealed to you and needs attention, take it to IGN where they do this everyday.


Tragic.

I have no idea what you just said to me.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Thanks Olimario!

Because if theres one thing this place really needed it was another PSP/DS debating/trolling/bitching thread.