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Biggest sellouts in rock!?
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Star Power
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Yeah, sorry about that. Still, I wouldn't call BSS insincere. Or ATDI (silly? yes. Insincere? I don't think so).
Teknopathetic
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I don't listen to just one or the other (as in insincere and sincere), I made sure to include the extreme "every" because of that.
Star Power
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belgurdo said:
I don't give two shits about war or world poverty.
OpinionatedCyborg
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I'd say Snoop Dogg, but since he's about the dough, whoring himself around for cash really doesn't count cause it's what he's about.
I'm not sure how people say KISS sold out. They were a gimmick from day one. I'm not saying I don't like some of their albums. I do. Not to mention I was a full fledged KISS Army kid in the 70's. But what have they sold out from, signing about doing chicks in bathrooms and partying all night? HA HA! They were career-minded cheeseballs from the beginning.
Another vote for Metallica here. Everyone could appreciate them even more because they were pretty much just like us and were unpretentious and read comic books and wore jeans, and in the last 10 or so years became everything but.
Another vote for Metallica here. Everyone could appreciate them even more because they were pretty much just like us and were unpretentious and read comic books and wore jeans, and in the last 10 or so years became everything but.
:lolbionic77 said:
I really can't stand Fred Durst, but this makes no sense. So people can only be sellouts if you like them to begin with?
Also, what's with all the cries about Metallica being sellouts? The only bitching I ever here is that they aren't the same musically that they used to be. In terms of sales, I would imagine that would be a bad thing. And yeah, they got pissed off at Napster, but that was going to hurt them (and it did), and they knew that.
I don't really agree with calling anyone sellouts ... as Maynard says, "I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit you bought one." ... but I've never seen them do a commercial or anything of the sort. I can't even remember the last time I heard a Metallica song in a commercial that didn't involve an album or something. That at least has to be better than KISS advertising Pepsi in your peoples' books?
Shinobi, for everything you hate, you really do get it right a lot of the time.
Red Scarlet
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Metallica of course.
Worm_Buffet
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Star Power said:
Ok then.
Star Power said:
Well I agree that the length of the leap between OK Computer and Kid A is up for debate, but you say yourself that "most people" regard it as a major departure from their previous sound. I find to be more than a natural progression, somewhat experimenting for the sake of it. I understand if you don't see it that way, since we're in no way dealing with absolutes here.
Star Power said:
Have you read NME's compilation of articles and interviews on Radiohead? I'm pretty sure he continued to read NME, he just turned down interviews. Either way, It's not like he can exist in a vacuum.
Star Power said:
If I come off as opinionated, I must be expressing myself poorly. I've defended Radiohead in the very same way you have, against people how consider them to be nothing but pretentious. It's not that black and white and I realize that. Kid A can be self-conscious and yet be in the same direction as their previous work at the same time.
Radiohead are anything but pretentious; Thom's approach to writing a song is too abstract to conform to the idea of such a thing. Hate them if you want, but at least give them a better label to help fuel your angst against Radiohead. Because they are most certainly not pretentious.
Geez, does anybody even know what "sellout" means....they're just rattling off bands that they either never liked (Bizkit) or aren't very good anymore (Metallica, Rolling Stones?).
My favorite recent choice would be Jewel. Sensitive singer/songwriter to pop whore in 60 seconds (showing off the boobies, singing trash songs, talking about her sex life in trash like Blender).
My favorite recent choice would be Jewel. Sensitive singer/songwriter to pop whore in 60 seconds (showing off the boobies, singing trash songs, talking about her sex life in trash like Blender).
Star Power
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border said:Geez, does anybody even know what "sellout" means....they're just rattling off bands that they either never liked (Bizkit) or aren't very good anymore (Metallica, Rolling Stones?).
My favorite recent choice would be Jewel. Sensitive singer/songwriter to pop whore in 60 seconds (showing off the boobies, singing trash songs, talking about her sex life in trash like Blender).
According to Jewel, "Intuition" was a joke and was meant to be taken as such.. a sort of lampooning of the whole pop diva thing. I don't buy it, but whatever.
And yes, Metallic DO quialify as sellouts. Listen to Master of Puppets, then listen to "Load" or "St. Anger".. they post- ...And Justice, they deliberately changed their sound to match what's 'in' at the moment (I mean.. St. Anger was an obvious shot at the whole 'nu-metal' thing.. Metallica without solos? Trash-can drum production? etc.).. some would argue they sold out them they made the "One" video (Lars was quoted as saying, years earlier, that Metallica would NEVER make a video... 4 years later or so he says "Oh, you need to make videos to be viable in this day and age")... etc... and I don't think I even NEED to bring up that whole Napster thing.
Selling out is basically going against the ideals/morals you came into making music with. Limp Bizkit and the ilk totally don't count, as their main intentw as to make shitty lowest common demoniator rap/rock hybrid.
OpinionatedCyborg
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border said:Geez, does anybody even know what "sellout" means....they're just rattling off bands that they either never liked (Bizkit) or aren't very good anymore (Metallica, Rolling Stones?).
My favorite recent choice would be Jewel. Sensitive singer/songwriter to pop whore in 60 seconds (showing off the boobies, singing trash songs, talking about her sex life in trash like Blender).
Good one. The opposite would have to be Pink who had the whole poppy-overproduced-Backstreet Boiz bullshit going on until her first album was a huge success, letting her actually do the kind of music she wanted to do for her next CD(which IMO's actually worse than the shit before, but I digress).
Star Power
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Diablos said:
Yes, they are pretentious. Why is being pretentious a bad thing again? David Bowie is pretentious.. Patti Smith is pretentious... Bjork is pretentious... Billy Corgan (srry. to bring him up every time..) is as pretentious it gets.
Again, no comprehension of the english language.Ponn01 said:
Hate their fans, - I think they hated getting ripped off. Hating their fans though? Go see 'em live and tell me how much they hate their fans.
shaved their hair, - So did a lot of people. Just because you're in a fucking band doesn't mean that you can't move out of the 1980s.
music went to crap, - Sadly, I agree, but I don't really see how a consciencous effort to make your music shittier would ever be seen as a viable way to make more money. Most would just call it stupid.
Unforgiven 2?? - One, it came out on the 2nd one (all songs having been written at the same time). Two, Reload sucked more, so I usually just lump it in with that pile of crap.
UNFORGIVEN FREAKING 2!!?? - Yes. I know. But still, the music was at least written, played, recorded, mixed and sold. No different than any other song process really. If anything, they probably thought it'd be a little funny for a title (I certainly do), although I have no quote to back that up.
A movie on their group therapy? - Right. If that's your opinion, what's worse: Selling a movie of bootleg footage featuring their deceased bassist, or a movie about how they all love each other?
Even if you buy that, she's still abandoning her roots to become some kind of Weird Al-ish novelty song creator (and one whose parody conveniently lets you use your body to sell music). Like I said though, her whoring seemed to go well beyond one video....the rest of the album was supposedly trash as well and she was trampin' it up in magazine interviews and TV appearances.Star Power said:
Yeah, I actually have it. They clearly had no problem showing the world that they want to be completely detached from that kind of scene.Sapienshomo said:
I like how Thom said "I didn't want to show you guys up or anything" and just walks their response off. "Radiohead! Dick head!" They didn't even care.
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Warm Machine
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How did Metallica sell out?
Litigation Manuel
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Liz Phair. Luckily, her attempt at selling out failed.
Star Power
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Warm Machine said:
^^^^^
WHOAguitarninja
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Anybody mind clueing me into what exactly incensere music is?
Is it like "Here's our new cd....we didn't really MEAN to make this music, but we did it anyway"
or something like "Here's our new cd....it's a little different, and you may not like it, but it's what we decided to make becuase it's what we wanted to make."
Somehow...I expect the latter.
Is it like "Here's our new cd....we didn't really MEAN to make this music, but we did it anyway"
or something like "Here's our new cd....it's a little different, and you may not like it, but it's what we decided to make becuase it's what we wanted to make."
Somehow...I expect the latter.
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U2 has definitely had massive change in their music. You can barely believe that "Sunday, Bloody, Sunday" and "Lemon" are from the same group. Their music before 'Joshua Tree' and afterwards are on opposite ends of the spectrum. While Bono's political beliefs have never weakened, his music definitely has. It is definitely alot more radio-friendly and for the masses than his older stuff. Did U2 sell out, or just get older and alot less angry since they are rich beyond their wildest dreams? I am thinking the latter.
Warm Machine
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I simply don't agree about Metallica selling out. Like what was said about One...that video was amazing and didn't betray the hate of obvious lip synching that the band had. Just because Lars thinks one way then changes his mind later doesn't mean that he's a sellout it means he changed his mind.
Most people bitched about Bob Rock on the Black Album and its 4 minute song structures with no instrumentals though that record is probably one of the best metal records ever put together.
People bitched about Load and Reload being a more alt rock sounding record but the guys were in their late 30s at that point and no one's tastes stay the same from youth to that age and find me a musician who doesn't use outside influences, modern sounds and techniques to create.
And what the hell is wrong with standing up against Napster? If people were trying to steal my shit I wouldn't let them either.
Most people bitched about Bob Rock on the Black Album and its 4 minute song structures with no instrumentals though that record is probably one of the best metal records ever put together.
People bitched about Load and Reload being a more alt rock sounding record but the guys were in their late 30s at that point and no one's tastes stay the same from youth to that age and find me a musician who doesn't use outside influences, modern sounds and techniques to create.
And what the hell is wrong with standing up against Napster? If people were trying to steal my shit I wouldn't let them either.
You're kidding, right? Load sounding like anything else out there? My dad enjoys Load because it reminds him of a lot of the stuff he used to listen to. It's a very technically proficient album that harkens back to a lot of their early influences.Star Power said:
Reload does sound like a lot of crappy rock that's out there, but all the songs were written at the same time, so they just probably got lumped based on what they sounded like (or how unfinished they were). Regardless, just because you don't like anything after Justice doesn't mean they "deliberately changed their sound to match what's 'in' at the moment". I'd agree that there was probably a deliberate change, but I find it hard to believe that you would spend 9 months killing yourself in a studio to make an album in order to become a little richer.
Well, you could also argue that they sold out when they wrote Fade to Black (I've heard it), but it doesn't make it a good argument. They also said they'd never do a video (like, VHS). Hell, they admit to that on the Cliff 'em All box. You can't tell me you've never changed an opinion, a thought, a plan. I just see it as a natural progression of business. At least they worked to get there, unlike a lot of the shit you see today.
No, you really don't, because it doesn't make them sellouts. You can call them assholes for it if you like, but I don't see how doing something that will clearly hurt your sales has anything to do with selling out. Besides, they stood up for what they believed in when the record company was doing shit all.
And I don't think I even NEED to bring up the fact that the endorse live bootlegs.
Even if it's what you want to do? Even if it's counterproductive to the overall ideal of making money?
Star Power
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Load was so a stab at the mid 90s alternative thing.
You're quite naive then. Ever heard of a little bald guy named Moby? He slaves in the studio for months on end to create his dull, generic electronica which he can then lisence to corporations for use in their commercials and get filthy fucking rich.
Which is why I didn't say they sold out at that point.. I said "some would argue that.."
Ah.. it doesn't make them sellouts... right.. turning their backs on their fucking FANS, that doesn't make them sellouts. Metallica's whole status is owed to home taping, passing on of bootlegs of Kill Em All, etc. (and yes, at one point with quite a few vinyl records came a post witch said "HOME TAPING IS KILLING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY".. right). for them to turn around and be so adamantly against it... threatening to sue their own fans, when they're exteremly wealthy men...
You don't, as that doesn't change anything at all. Pretty much everyone endorses live bootlegs.
You shouldn't make music for the sole reason of "making money." And I onbiously meant to say "against the morals... for the sake of making a few bucks, etc."
You're quite naive then. Ever heard of a little bald guy named Moby? He slaves in the studio for months on end to create his dull, generic electronica which he can then lisence to corporations for use in their commercials and get filthy fucking rich.
Which is why I didn't say they sold out at that point.. I said "some would argue that.."
Ah.. it doesn't make them sellouts... right.. turning their backs on their fucking FANS, that doesn't make them sellouts. Metallica's whole status is owed to home taping, passing on of bootlegs of Kill Em All, etc. (and yes, at one point with quite a few vinyl records came a post witch said "HOME TAPING IS KILLING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY".. right). for them to turn around and be so adamantly against it... threatening to sue their own fans, when they're exteremly wealthy men...
You don't, as that doesn't change anything at all. Pretty much everyone endorses live bootlegs.
You shouldn't make music for the sole reason of "making money." And I onbiously meant to say "against the morals... for the sake of making a few bucks, etc."
Ninja Scooter
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I don't think Metallica sold out because of Load/reload. I think that was the music they wanted to make. They were getting older, having families and shit, they weren't the angry, young broke musicians anymore. All those people who called them sellouts cause they cut their hair are losers. It was St. Anger, where they tried to fake it, that propelled them into sellout status.
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