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Biggest sellouts in rock!?
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I can't believe people are defending metallica. I fucking grew up with Kill'em all, Ride the lightning, master of puppets etc. If you didn't go through that, you don't understand the extent of their sellout. They're the biggest sellouts in my book. They sold out in every way imaginable. Making their music more radio friendly, the whole napster thing which goes right against their ideology. Just read how their lyrics have changed..
Halls of Justice Painted Green
Money Talking
Power Wolves Beset Your Door
Hear Them Stalking
Soon You'll Please Their Appetite
They Devour
Hammer of Justice Crushes You
Overpower
The "one" video is not a sellout for me. It's a great video, with a lot of pieces from the great movie (and book) "johnny got his gun", which the song was inspired from in the first place. The song is kick ass as well. The whole sellout thing started in the black album, which has some ok songs but is mostly rather average, and then it got worse from there..
Again, if you did not grow up with older metallica (who were very popular, popular != sellout) you will not understand how much they have sold out.
*sob*
Halls of Justice Painted Green
Money Talking
Power Wolves Beset Your Door
Hear Them Stalking
Soon You'll Please Their Appetite
They Devour
Hammer of Justice Crushes You
Overpower
The "one" video is not a sellout for me. It's a great video, with a lot of pieces from the great movie (and book) "johnny got his gun", which the song was inspired from in the first place. The song is kick ass as well. The whole sellout thing started in the black album, which has some ok songs but is mostly rather average, and then it got worse from there..
Again, if you did not grow up with older metallica (who were very popular, popular != sellout) you will not understand how much they have sold out.
*sob*
mr.beers said:
:lol Found something last night that made me think of this thread:
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20050629/112003817800.html
It's funny, Prince released a string of crappy albums just to get out of his record deal, but no one labels him as a "sellout".
File me under someone who doesn't understand the concept of "selling out".
1) Most bands sign contracts.
2) Most bands are at the mercy of thier labels on what songs make the CD
3) Most bands have to do media-whoring, commercials, etc at some points in thier career.
So really, by even signing a contract you are "selling out". That is the goal of most every band coincidently. This idea of some tortured artist scrapping by on cigs and beer and staying "true to his vision" is laughable.
Of course there are exceptions to what I said, but most bands compromise themselves at some point. If they haven't, they will down the road.
I actually liked the way Liz Phair 'sold out'. She just came out and said, "Fuck you .. I want to sell albums". It was great (and her music was still good).
File me under someone who doesn't understand the concept of "selling out".
1) Most bands sign contracts.
2) Most bands are at the mercy of thier labels on what songs make the CD
3) Most bands have to do media-whoring, commercials, etc at some points in thier career.
So really, by even signing a contract you are "selling out". That is the goal of most every band coincidently. This idea of some tortured artist scrapping by on cigs and beer and staying "true to his vision" is laughable.
Of course there are exceptions to what I said, but most bands compromise themselves at some point. If they haven't, they will down the road.
I actually liked the way Liz Phair 'sold out'. She just came out and said, "Fuck you .. I want to sell albums". It was great (and her music was still good).
Link1110
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There's mroe than one kind of sellout.
The biggest "stylistic" sellout (Meaning they change their music for commerciality) is No Doubt, who made some cool rock music on their first few albums, but now makes subpar hip-hop (and don't get me started on gwen Stefani's solo garbage)
The biggest "money" sellout is Metallica, the ones who started the whole anti-file sharing thing.
The biggest "stylistic" sellout (Meaning they change their music for commerciality) is No Doubt, who made some cool rock music on their first few albums, but now makes subpar hip-hop (and don't get me started on gwen Stefani's solo garbage)
The biggest "money" sellout is Metallica, the ones who started the whole anti-file sharing thing.
Warm Machine
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thorns said:
1st, the song is about how money talks IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM and not in the record making business.
2nd you neglected the cover for ...And Justice for All.
Their lyrics aside from St. Anger are amazing and always will be. The lyrics on Black and Load and Reload actually have multiple meanings and not as straight forward as their past albums. They grew as a band stylisticall and lyrically. That isn't selling out folks. If they regressed to junk and put out a record simply to make money they I'd agree but they never did that. Even as much as St. Anger is a lame record I can still tell they were trying something new for them and they tried as hard as they could on it.
Excess Poo Flakes
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I saw Metallica a year and a few months ago at america west arena with godsmack, holy shit did they rock the house. Sellouts or not, they are still awesome \m/
Manics said:
I think the Sex Pistols are sell out agnostic. They never denied they were only in it for the money. Despite being considered by many to be the defining punk act, they don't have much in common with any "punk" ideologies. They just happened to be filthy people that couldn't play their instruments and had awesome attitudes.
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