Seriously, I only read all of it because of the reactions in the thread. The title makes it look to mandane. This is a story about sick Orphans dying and a person getting tortured to death rather than betraying a friend and much more.
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Bill Browder's prepared statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee - must read
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Seriously, I only read all of it because of the reactions in the thread. The title makes it look to mandane. This is a story about sick Orphans dying and a person getting tortured to death rather than betraying a friend and much more.
Seriously, Trump is infantile, narcissistic, greedy, and just an all around terrible person who shouldn't be in the White House, but Putin is on another level. I assume his death wouldn't end the reign either as there are successors waiting in the wings who will likely operate the same way? Guy seems like pure evil and I thought the Bush story about his dog and the former opposition assassinations seemed bad enough already.
BrassDragon
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The problem here is inertia - we've started turning to Russian-controlled sources of gas 10 years ago when we saw the rapid depletion of our own energy resources. No one really stopped to think about the geopolitical consequences of relying on Russian infrastructure (if you look at Browder's statement everyone was quite naive about Russia's relationship to the rule of law a decade ago... yes, we knew there was corruption but we didn't realize it was centralized top-down policy until recently.)
EU energy policy is slowly turning to nuclear and renewables but it's going to be decades before that transition is complete. It's hard to speed these things along in a peacetime economy while dealing with a complacent electorate.
How About No
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Holy hell, to see it all written out like this.,.fuck Russia, and FUCK Putin
Frustrated_me
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We need point bullet summaries, someone just copy paste and add-on:
- The Russians used "Orphan discussions" as code word for to discuss the Magnitsky Act
- The Russians use American companies located in DC to lobby in DC so as to fund Russian operatives in USA
- Trump Jr. and Kushner met with Natalia Veselnitskaya to discuss the removal of the Magnitsky Act
- Natalia Veselnitskaya has straight ties to Putin and secret services
- It's assumed that Natalia Veselnitskaya (Russians) offered something to the Trump camp (Emails) so as to gain leverage on the Trumps and remove the Magnitsky Act
...Add on.
- The Russians used "Orphan discussions" as code word for to discuss the Magnitsky Act
- The Russians use American companies located in DC to lobby in DC so as to fund Russian operatives in USA
- Trump Jr. and Kushner met with Natalia Veselnitskaya to discuss the removal of the Magnitsky Act
- Natalia Veselnitskaya has straight ties to Putin and secret services
- It's assumed that Natalia Veselnitskaya (Russians) offered something to the Trump camp (Emails) so as to gain leverage on the Trumps and remove the Magnitsky Act
...Add on.
I read the article, watched the entire testimony and listened to his NPR interview. This guy testified under oath to the Senate Judiciary Committee. It's complicated, but it's not an Alex Jones conspiracy. These are the pieces of the puzzle that were missing in the couch. Rachel better go on this like no tomorrow.
BrassDragon
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Putin's succession is actually a huge unknown variable. It appears he has no endgame right now - he experimented with a surrogate (Dmitri Medvedev) to see if he could ease off the reins of power but then the Arab Spring happened and he quickly came back more authoritarian than ever.
This uncertainty is one reason the oligarchs want all their riches in American and European real estate, businesses and liquid assets - they know their own country's stability is a bubble.Having their loot frozen and out of reach is nightmare fuel for them.
I may have worded my post badly, but my intent wasn't to undermine the crediblity of this whole thing. I was just agreeing that the title of this thread does not do the story justice therefore it may be overlooked by the average person.
BlueTsunami
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Browders CSPAN testimony was incredibly informative. I also love how Trump and co. were all on message about ralking about Russian adoption as the most thinly veiled lie. You'd think they'd come up with something that would have been harder to draw a line to the Magnitsky Act.
It was also good to fully find out just what Sergei Magnitsky went through. Horrific.
It was also good to fully find out just what Sergei Magnitsky went through. Horrific.
Sho_Nuff82
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Watching the cspan video stream on cspan, and the audio redacts a name at about the 2:30 mark.
Video error or...?
Video error or...?
KernelPanic
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Anyone thinks Russia is an "ally" to the US needs to be laughed at and have this testimony stapled to their forehead.
Indeed mate, didn't take it that way.
Was just trying to reinforce how unreal this all is.SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I already label trump and everybody that suppprts him traitors.
Should be treated accordingly.
Hopefully by the end of this, they will be.
Should be treated accordingly.
Hopefully by the end of this, they will be.
hodayathink
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I wonder if someone in Hollywood could or has bought the rights to Magnitsky or Browder's story for a movie. This seems like the type of thing that, if good, would absolutely be a shoo-in for Oscar consideration considering Hollywood's general hatred of Trump and their loving to vote for meta-narratives as much as the movies/performances themselves when it comes to awards.
jellies_two
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If you want more hair raising info listen to the this American life podcast episode on putins origin.
https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/614/the-other-mr-president
Back when he was politically unknown and Yeltsin was a drunk tottering around he needed to elevate himself and fast. There is evidence he used his ex fsb guys to blow up apartment blocks in the middle of the night, multiple times over a period, killing hundreds of people, with military grade explosives, stuff only state security forces had access to.
He blamed these explosions on Chechnya rebels who by that stage had no reason to bring such attention on themselves. He vowed to crush them and became the law and order candidate. His machismo was built then. Back then his involvement was unthinkable but now with his track record of killings it seems completely in character.
Zap Rowsdower
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The sheer irony in all this is that Putin is just using all these far-right shitheads because they are all corrupt dumbshits that are easily manipulated into doing his bidding. All these alt-right Nazis calling people cucks are the real cucks because they are all clueless rubes that Putin's only using to get at his dirty money.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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And this has fallen off the main page already while Mooch being an ass keeps on trucking. Yeah this testimony is gonna be buried, isn't it.
Shadow Puppetry
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From the comments:
Pete Bernardin
So Democrats Colluded with the Kremlin through Fusion GPS against Trump Fusion GPS, a Democratic Party propaganda firm, purchased and distributed dis-information from Russian sources. The DEMs have been using the Dossier as the Gospel according to Comey & Schumer. Christopher Steele, the author, admitted his dis-information is from Kremlin Sources. Fusion GPS also brokered the meeting between Russian Lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Donald Trump Jr. on June 9, 2016 in Trump Tower. It is HIGHLY likely that Fusion GPS tipped off the DEMS (on June 3, 2016, the approximate date the first FISA Warrant was denied) to the Trump Tower meeting and that this is led to the application for the FISA warrant that mentioned Trump. Could the Democrats be more sleazy?
Lol...
GreenMonkey
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Yeah, I listed to this on the way to work when it aired, a lot of the evidence isn't ironclad, but it is a pretty disturbing picture painted here.
Host Samurai
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This is fucking scary. Damn. Putin is a money hungry monster.
jellies_two
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nothing with Putin is iron clad. His middle name is plausible deniability, and arms length. He always does things with an eye for what his story will be if evidence comes out. It just takes adding a dash of weirdness and half the people won't believe it.
sir_kevith
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Notice how the words "Magnitsky" or "FARA" are entirely absent from the post
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NullPointer
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They could also spend some time to explain the Democratic mind control that got Don Jr. to sign off on the Russian provided Hillary dirt meeting with campaign principles after saying "love it".
They've been wallowing so long they can't smell the shit they're shoveling.
Zap Rowsdower
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So long as Mueller and his Ocean's Eleven of prosecutors are putting it to good use it'll be fine.
Seriously. There's hope for tomorrow but I won't get my hopes up.
samoscratch
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Magnitsky was a freaking hero...
It gives me at least a little pleasure to know Putin is foaming at the mouth due to the sanctions....
I hope more countries fall in line and enact similar sanctions, Putin is truly a devil...
It gives me at least a little pleasure to know Putin is foaming at the mouth due to the sanctions....
I hope more countries fall in line and enact similar sanctions, Putin is truly a devil...
"Russia" is not even an ally to Russia. Putin's biggest victims are Russian, after all.
BadAss2961
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All the Mooch stuff today was amusing until I caught up on this. Talk about a distraction.
Hopefully the media gets their eye on the ball tomorrow.
Hopefully the media gets their eye on the ball tomorrow.
Yep. It all makes sense now. Media needs to pick up on this, but.. eh..
And he gets away with it because oddly he still has overwhelming support of the people. A lot of the people in Russia feel like when Putin came along, so much was fixed for them, and they saw thew direct result of that, and with the propaganda and brainwashing along with the good-will of the people they have formed their own bubble of denial that even if Putin bends the rules he isnt all that bad.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, it's basically the same with Trump and that core 30%.
entremet
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Ex KGB guy.
Except i think with Russia its the majority.
kitsunelaine
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Don't underestimate the power of state controlled media, aka propaganda.
TheCochese
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Yup. If this admin were more competent it would be a real worry here.
I'm skeptical of putting all the eggs in Mueller's basket. This story needs to blow up, and fast. "The Mooch" is distracting, intentionally or not.
also, we really needed a title change... Pretty sure barely anyone knows who Browder is.
Lightning_Roller
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This isn't even 32 flavors of fucked.....This is way worse......way. worse.
As others have mentioned, the thread title means nothing to most people. I've been following Russia-related events pretty closely, and I had to be reminded who Browder is.
SatelliteOfLove
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This brought together alot of scraps of info I'd been hearing here and there before.
Lordy I hope this takes off. This is the path forward to get to the rotten black heart of this.
That first paragraph is where the interesting part comes in.
I think it's the USA, Ireland(?), and Canada is considering it. Needs a ton more. I mean, what's he gonna do? Attack elections?
It's this:
It was always this.
Lordy I hope this takes off. This is the path forward to get to the rotten black heart of this.
That first paragraph is where the interesting part comes in.
I think it's the USA, Ireland(?), and Canada is considering it. Needs a ton more. I mean, what's he gonna do? Attack elections?
It's this:
It was always this.
From what I have gathered,
Based on the premise that Fusion GPS was set up as a research firm, they hired outside (Steele, because of his connections) on oppo research into Trump, while at a similar time other segments of Fusion was at work on Anti-Magnitsky Act push against Browder. Fusion GPS probably did not have much input into the general body of the research into the dossier versus what Steele gathered and outside of people who handled the specific opposition research file at Fusion.
This is all related to the Sergei Magnitsky murder and the subsequent assest freezes, which was a big story five years back, and even the Trump Jr. stuff from the other week brought it back into the limelight. But let's not call the Mooch stuff a distraction, he literally said on the record that Reince Priebus will "be asked to resign very shortly." That's kind of a big story.
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