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Bill Maher on bringing Milo back, Le Penn, Vaccinations, Islam.....
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Such an ally.
We really should turn a blind eye to his bad side because he really brings such good things to the table, like
excelsiorlef
Member
What...
It's the people who defend him from criticism who invike allyship.
Did you see the episode he was on?
Maher did nothing to reason with him.
Maher has no idea who Milo actually is.
Also Maher certainly didn't do anything to make Coulter more reasonable
The Artisan
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he should've been canned years ago but while he's not his haters can continue to say fuck em.
whoa. well i guess that's that. you can't argue against hard numbers and evidence. I have trouble identifying as a Muslim sometimes but I suppose in a demographic I would fall under that; I definitely wouldn't want sharia law to take place because I want marijuana to be legal. not only that but in this part of the decade in the 21st century, being against gay marriage is a very unpopular thing and i'm assuming sharia is agains that as well.Well Pew conducted a survey on it:
Since hundreds of millions of Muslims live in Indonesia that's a quite a chunk already.
My question is what version, if you will, that actually entails, because if you ask Americans if they want Christian laws ruling on things like prostitution, abortion and contraceptive use you'd probably get a few interesting responses. Likewise, I'd be curious if these responses meant biblical/Quran-like punishments alongside the "crimes".
The whole report is rather interesting in that many Islamic countries are themselves very worried about Islamic extremism at home, and that Muslim Americans are quite like their Christian counterparts in some respects
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
Still, support this high for religious laws is ughhhhhhhh.
EDIT: Blister
I will also concede and say that I don't know much about sharia in the first place; i didn't know there were different versions of it that vary from nation to nation but the core principles are probably the same, yeah?
thank you for the source, I actually did not know about this. well actually this poll looks familiar but I guess I forgot that it was telling about sharia
This is from a Pew Research poll. There's not a percentage given for total majority, but you can imagine it would be close to half with these numbers.
Here's the full article: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
if he thinks there's no such thing as moderate then he should think twice about the guests he has on his show. Mos Def is Muslim, I remember him being on the show once; is he automatically an extremist just because there is no such thing as moderate?
also just out of curiosity what's the origin of your avatar, where is it from? i've seen people on my facebook using that too
The "nice" quote is indeed from the episode. It is the Police's reaction to the crime, which is supposed to disgust the viewer.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It makes no sense because anyone with a brain 100% unequivocally knows that you can't reason with Milo. And that "making him more reasonable" wouldn't justify any of the abhorrent shit Milo's done.
Been trying to say this for a while.
Actually, now that I think about it, I remember my brother telling me that he liked Maher. He's totally pro-LGBT and he gladly refers to himself as a hippie, so I wonder how he feels about this. I suppose it's possible that he changed his opinion on Maher a long time ago and just never mentioned it, but I'd have to think that he feels that his initial trust was misplaced.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Same, but that was decades ago.
cromofo
Member
That would be true if Wahhabism were the only thing wrong with Islam. Or you attribute everything bad to Wahhabism?
And looking at the stellar job he did with Conway and Coulter before, he's not going to reason them.
He's going to give him a platform for him to later bemoan how come the poison they distil is still part of the US media discourse.
And oh boy his antivax shit could be a thread onto itself.
Milo is much like Spencer. There's a level of trolling going on and you can see it in their faces. Look at that video of Spencer talking to Charles Barkley. He knows exactly what he's doing and Milo works in the same, disingenuous spirit. I'm not sure either of them has the same convictions their mindless, full of hate followers do. Well, maybe Spencer.
He's right where he's always been.
He's right where he's always been.
Lord Frieza
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I think you're mistaking the Stewart animated project that fell through. There's never been any attempt to get Stewart to take over Real Time. At least, not known attempts
Maher had him once already on the show and did jackshit to change his position, so it doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sure many of use are unaware (me included) of what Sharia law actually entails beyond its extreme implementations, how it varies globally and across cultures, what degrees currently exist etc. and it would probably be productive if a Muslim gaffer started a thread or something so we could have some constructive dialog on the topic, because just yelling SHARIAH LAW doesn't do anything either.
If your issue with is with "radical islamic terrorism", yes. The point wasn't to indict (or not indict) wahhabism, it's just that the people with critiques about Islam as a whole don't have a clue about what they're talking about.
It's like critiquing Christianity for polygamy even though that's only a thing with Mormons.
It was an HBO show, the point being that Stewart and HBO are not on good terms because it fell through, so Stewart likely would be hesitant to host Real Time.
or you could google it and educate yourself.
Lord Frieza
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Yeah, but that isn't really what the poster quoted said. It was in response to Stewart taking over the show and someone saying that HBO tried. They didn't. There's never been any talk of anyone taking over Real Time that I know of.
I would rather someone make an attempt to change or soften Milo's position such that Milo's followers have a chance at changing, too. It's certainly better to me than having his group of followers continuing to harbor the same positions.
Isn't that part of what we do here on GAF? Do we not try to change people's positions on different matters for the betterment of society?
there's a disappointing amount of "liberally" minded people i know personally that tried to defend him even there irl
couldn't believe it.
CopperPuppy
Member
Yea, asking those hard questions....
Such hard hitting questions. /s
He's horrible on LGBTQ spectrum. The fact he let milo present that point and not remind people that we have done nothing ticks me off. Also didn't remind milo or that straight men of a certain political philosophy tend to be the problems in bathroom just by the last 20 years evidence or incident. No mention of larry craig. No mention of the type of men who are typically arrested in bathrooms for certain violations.
Hint hint its not T, B, or Q.
Lets also not mention T people are on the recieving end of those crime statistics. Cops help out tblack women even less than black people and often leave them to their deaths in certain situations.
After all the people (and plenty more elsewhere) had to bend over backwards to rationalize why having Milo on his show was a good thing for discrediting him, I would love to see that same cognitive dissonance justify the public good in having him on AGAIN now.
of course I wouldn't actually love to see it, the reasoning would be as distressing and stupid as it was the first time.
of course I wouldn't actually love to see it, the reasoning would be as distressing and stupid as it was the first time.
And maher has as stellar track record, with how soft people like Kelleanne conway and Anne coltuer are.
So we should encourage Maher keep trying?
Talking about LePen and why the daughter is better than the father.
Jean-Marie LePen was 16 in 1944 and was refused entry into the FFI (Internal French Forces, the part of France that fought Nazis and Petain) because he wasn't 18.
His father died 2 years prior in an accident.
FN was founded by exNazis sympathizer but JMLP wasn't.
That's a cursory wiki search on the guy I absolutely despise.
Even when he's talking about stuffs he's wrong.
Jean-Marie LePen was 16 in 1944 and was refused entry into the FFI (Internal French Forces, the part of France that fought Nazis and Petain) because he wasn't 18.
His father died 2 years prior in an accident.
FN was founded by exNazis sympathizer but JMLP wasn't.
That's a cursory wiki search on the guy I absolutely despise.
Even when he's talking about stuffs he's wrong.
You are applying today's view to a society 20 years ago. Now that is really fantastic.
Wait, you really expect people should give status updates on everything they ever said as soon as they change their opinion. Wow, that is some crazy stuff.
There's no kind of about it.
Maher himself isn't even a reasonable person, so why the fuck should anyone expect him to make others more reasonable?
You know and well as everyone else does that this isn't going to work. Bill "Weirdos" Maher doesn't have enough interest in softening Milo's position from deliberate hatemongering to serve that purpose.
The way he talks about it these days doesn't feel like he's feeling any different.
If you have any indication that he changed his mind, please provide them.
It would be great as it would put this to rest.
I guess it depends on what you mean by encourage? Do you subscribe to HBO and if so, do you watch his show?
So we are moving the goalposts now?
Before was about him having people on to argue and soften their ideas and rhetoric.
Now its about subscribing to HBO? What does that have to do with Maher having on extermists and you claiming we should soften them with arguments?
Well has Maher actually done any work on that front?
EdibleKnife
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A woman sleeping with an underage boy was as disgusting 20 years ago as it is now. If Maher feels differently, it's his job to be convincing, not yours
Also in the black and white view of this topic and forum people ignore again and again, that Maher has supporters within the Muslim community who hate the appeasement policy of a lot of liberals towards Islam.
Maher also has black supporters who told other black people to get over it and move on.
yanipheonu
Member
Really encapsulated why I'm turned off Bill Maher. He seems smart and articulate, but seems possessed by his ideologies and often misguided. Ego is always an issue, and in general I get the impression he's less concerned about being right, and more focused on being contrarian.
I don't hear an attempt at truth when I hear Bill Maher. I hear someone simply arguing: he's a sophist.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
What do you have to say about the gifs on this page? Or that when given a platform, Milo has openly doxxed and harassed people, doubled down on it, and his supporters all cheered him for it. Anyone who supports even a single statement from Milo is too far gone and have literally zero interest in being turned into a decent human being, because they already believe that there's nothing wrong with his views.
Maher has a bunch of weird stances that contradict each other all the time, the easy one is being pro-science except being an anti-vaxer.
I mean the pew poll goes through several parts (in even greater detail if you look through it) of it and asks about support for each one. And it's pretty scary.
I mean the pew poll goes through several parts (in even greater detail if you look through it) of it and asks about support for each one. And it's pretty scary.
That's not moving goalposts, that's digging deeper into the discussion. My point was going to be, if you don't like it, simply change the channel instead of trying to silence him.
IamDodongo
Member
What the hell is Maher doing? Anti-Vaccine rants??
People had just about the same attitudes to pedophilia as they did 20 years ago. This isn't early colonists marrying at 14 shit.
So he has to prove that he feels different today than 20 years ago. Wow, this is crazy on so many levels.
cromofo
Member
AFAIK Maher's point wasn't only terrorism, it was the treatment of women, gays, general attitudes etc. all backed up by polls.
I don't watch him much these days if not at all, but this is what I gathered from that time he had Sam Harris and Ben Affleck on where Affleck ended up looking like a clueless tool, shouting racism and islamophobia at them both.
It's wrong to generalise and speak of Muslims as an entity only, but I think Islam, same as any other religion, should be subjected to critique.
But only if it's well researched and backed up by facts, that I agree with you.
uncelestial
Member
Yes, that's a problem. It's okay to point out that there is a terrible problem of intolerance and oppression within Islam-majority cultures, and even to ask these cultures to work to improve themselves, like we do with Christian conservatives in this country.Well Pew conducted a survey on it:
Since hundreds of millions of Muslims live in Indonesia that's a quite a chunk already.
My question is what version, if you will, that actually entails, because if you ask Americans if they want Christian laws ruling on things like prostitution, abortion and contraceptive use you'd probably get a few interesting responses. Likewise, I'd be curious if these responses meant biblical/Quran-like punishments alongside the "crimes".
The whole report is rather interesting in that many Islamic countries are themselves very worried about Islamic extremism at home, and that Muslim Americans are quite like their Christian counterparts in some respects
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
Still, support this high for religious laws is ughhhhhhhh.
EDIT: Blister
The problem with what Maher does, though, is that he doesn't think about why the support for Sharia fluctuates so much. The truth is these views are popular in areas of the world where they don't have the same access to education and information that we take for granted. Maher tries to use this high level of support as a cudgel to bash all of Islam with, but it's a very diverse religion, spanning the globe, with highly varying support for Sharia, so that's just justifying prejudice.
So you are removing yourself from this conversation then, and shutting down.
There is no longer any point to arguing with you then.
Did you watch the episode with Milo in it at all? Maher never tried to change Milo's opinion on anything, and if you think he's actually going to put any effort into it a second time around, you're deluding yourself. Maher won't be doing what you're pretending he'll do. He won't ask any difficult questions of Milo. He'll just try to be his friend. He'll agree more than he'll disagree, just like he did last time. He's always been less than worthless, both as an interviewer and as a liberal. Look at this shit:
Yea, asking those hard questions....
Maher can fuck right off.
Lord Frieza
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The last time of the article lol
You can tell they were really exhausted by the end of all this.
You can tell they were really exhausted by the end of all this.