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Bill Maher on bringing Milo back, Le Penn, Vaccinations, Islam.....

ColdPizza

Banned
He just did rant about how people should stop apologizing and then he apologized for making a nigger joke.

If that criticism threatens his show he most certainly will bend to criticism.
Milo should not have a platform and people should criticism Maher for giving him one.

People in the Maher thread were surprised he even apologized. He probably did so at the request of his boss. Apparently giving a platform with alt-right wackjobs isn't considered a line-crossing, yet.
 

Mael

Member
I mean... Just reading shit like that reminds me of just how raw of a deal people like Hillary Clinton got. She went out of her way to make it clear that stuff like the Crime Bill and the Iraq War vote no longer represent her views at all in any way, but despite her repeatedly apologizing and making it clear she regrets both thing, people just disregarded that entirely and insisted that she was nothing but a war-hawk liar who's only just now trying to pander to blacks.

But Bill Maher doesn't ever apologize or anything for those statements or gives any indication whatsoever that his views have in fact changed, but we're supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt anyway that he his views have changed, based on nothing? Must be nice...

And people say there's no such a thing as privilege!
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yes, I know how he is, and yes, I saw the appearance. And yes, he hand-waved Milo's appearance and didn't challenge him like people thought he was going to.

Still, I don't have any issue with having him reappear on his show. It's his choice. Hopefully he'll do something more meaningful next time.
You don't have any issue with someone going on tv and without being challenged whatsoever, blatantly spouting as many false things about LBGT people as possible? You don't have any issue with that? Based on the hypothetical notion that the man in question who literally on record in the OP spouting about how we "shouldn't choose sides" over people like Le Pen, about how vaccination is a scam, and casually says the n-word, might challenge his views, instead of just being just as jokey with them like last time?
 

Trokil

Banned
I mean... Just reading shit like that reminds me of just how raw of a deal people like Hillary Clinton got. She went out of her way to make it clear that stuff like the Crime Bill and the Iraq War vote no longer represent her views at all in any way, but despite her repeatedly apologizing and making it clear she regrets both thing, people just disregarded that entirely and insisted that she was nothing but a war-hawk liar who's only just now trying to pander to blacks.

But Bill Maher doesn't ever apologize or anything for those statements or gives any indication whatsoever that his views have in fact changed, but we're supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt anyway that he his views have changed, based on nothing? Must be nice...

Why do you think people insist on the idea that the left is eating itself. Clinton had to apologize for that not because conservatives attacked her on that, but because the holy left did, because she was a sinner and had to do her Game of Thrones Shame! walk. But people are insisting that she did not change and did not believe her. So why even explaining anything or apologizing, people will not believe you anyway.
 

ZOONAMI

Junior Member
My GF fucking loves this guy and I've never really understood why.

He always has been a self-assured prick who for having a show called real time doesn't seem all that rational, and is extremely set in his ways. Funny he talks about trying to covert Milo to a more rational position. Good luck with that. It's like he isn't even remotely familiar with all that shit Milo spews.
 

Budi

Member
Oh fuck, I forgot that first interview. I remember thinking, well this could be good, he should shoot Milo down. But that didn't happen. Thanks for those GIF:s in the OP, I needed a reminder how spineless this guy is.
 

Jackpot

Banned
He's been that way for years. Just by hearing him speak a few times you can tell he's a disingenuous blowhard. Surprised it took people so long to work it out.
 
Loved watching Bill when I was younger.

He was liberal but spoke his mind and didn't give a shit. Spoke a truth after 9/11 we didn't want to face and got shitcanned for it. Always had on black men and women to speak their minds, even conservatives. I didn't see a lot of that elsewhere on TV, I appreciated it. He had people like Ann Coulter on, and though they were friends, he called her out on her crap.

Such a shame to see him sink to this bullshit. Has he just been on too long? Invited too many people that wouldn't call HIM out when he needed it? I'm just... disappointed.
 

Anion

Member
I've called him an asshole for years, no one listened to me.

Look who was right.
Honestly it doesn't seem all that long ago the majority opinion here was that he was "good guy" and it just baffled me.
He just is all around awful opinionated person
 

Mael

Member
Why do you think people insist on the idea that the left is eating itself. Clinton had to apologize for that not because conservatives attacked her on that, but because the holy left did, because she was a sinner and had to do her Game of Thrones Shame! walk. But people are insisting that she did not change and did not believe her. So why even explaining anything or apologizing, people will not believe you anyway.

Yes, the Holy Left
 
""Party matters. It matters that her father was a Nazi. But it also matters that family going against family is the rarest form of bravery. I remember the Unabomber's brother." He trailed off before making explicit a moral equivalence between Marine Le Pen—who broke with her dad for what appeared to be politically expedient reasons


Lol come on for FUCK SAKE.
The only reason she did that is because it was bad in term of elections. She did that after he said that "Gaz chambers were a detail of WW2", a phrase he said before that, years ago, and for which she defended him on TV.

The only reason she's gone against him isn't because of moral but because they had different opinions on tactics.
 

ColdPizza

Banned
You don't have any issue with someone going on tv and without being challenged whatsoever, blatantly spouting as many false things about LBGT people as possible? You don't have any issue with that? Based on the hypothetical notion that the man in question who literally on record in the OP spouting about how we "shouldn't choose sides" over people like Le Pen, about how vaccination is a scam, and casually says the n-word, might challenge his views, instead of just being just as jokey with them like last time?

I think he's free to do what he wants as long as HBO is willing to let him. If enough people yank their support for HBO such that they cancel his show then I'm okay with that too. None of that means I support any of what he or Milo is saying on their show.
 

Deepwater

Member
I can see your point and I somewhat agree.

Still, if critiquing Islam in the end means critiquing Muslims, I have no problem with it as long it's constructive and truthful. If bad things are happening, bad things are happening. We can't just stop and turn our heads away.

Then, to me, the follow up from "Islam has issues with sexism, terrorism, human rights abuses, etc" (if that is an existing critique) to "I have issues with the Muslims that are propagating this sexism, terrorism, and human rights abuses" is acknowledging the role of individuals in this system

But not every Muslim is doing that. In fact, in regards to terrorism, Muslims are the #1 fighters against islamic terrorism (as well as the #1 victims of it). There are only certain minority of Muslims that are doing that. There are Muslims who are advocates of feminism and human right advocates. Most Muslims are not advocates of chopping people's heads for sacrilege or blowing up pop concerts abroad.

My point, anyway, is that you must always deal with a heavy case of nuance when talking about it and not approach the conversation with indictments rather than attempts to understand and gain broader perspective. In general on here, I see "critiques" of Islam (disguised as critiques on religion in general) as broad indictments with no nuance or an attempt to empathize with the actual practitioners who are by far and large decent human beings (as much as the rest of us claim to be anyways). Are there a significant number of Muslims who perpetuate these horrible systems and institutions? Of course, bad people are always in supply. But we should measure our rhetoric because it's not cut and dry. People like Maher don't do that.
 

Mael

Member
Lol come on for FUCK SAKE.
The only reason she did that is because it was bad in term of elections. She did that after he said that "Gaz chambers were a detail of WW2", a phrase he said before that, years ago, and for which she defended him on TV.

The only reason she's gone against him isn't because of moral but because they had different opinions on tactics.

Nah, as a French guy who followed the whole thing unfold, I can tell you this.
It was a powerplay to get full reins of the party.
She's craftier than her father on this so it served as a good way to delete all the influence he had in the party.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I love his show but it's becoming difficult to not care about how shitty he's coming across
This is me. I stopped watching regularly after Milo, coming only for specific guests, but if he doubles down on the Milo shit I'm just done. There's no point, when he just says the same shit over and over again.
 

Budi

Member
Honestly it doesn't seem all that long ago the majority opinion here was that he was "good guy" and it just baffled me.
He just is all around awful opinionated person

I liked him when Religulous came out. Though even then, it felt cheap and unfair that after the interviews he was snickering to himself in the car or wherever and making fun of the another person without them being able to defend their position. Even when I thought their position was ridicilous. But I guess it was the first time I should have known Maher to be spineless.
 
Anyone calling themselves progressive and/or liberal and/or left need to look at themselves if they still want to listen to Maher and even defend the douchebag.

This is not about being liberal, progressive, <insert another team name>...

This is about being susceptible to fallacies and propaganda no matter which side of the political line you want to sit on. That we are liberal, progressives....whatever...is incidental. Both have politicians exploiting how people feel about an issue.

That's generally speaking so I see where Maher is coming from.

The problem I have with Maher is that all the information he sought to get clarification on was readily available to him from he get-go and he was ignorant to it.
 

Trokil

Banned

https://thinkprogress.org/hillary-c...-mass-incarceration-was-a-mistake-eaa5b1b523c

A Black Lives Matter protester recently interrupted a private fundraiser for Clinton to confront her on her “superpredator” comments. The protester was quickly escorted out, but she later wrote in the Huffington Post that “Hillary Clinton has a pattern of throwing the Black community under the bus when it serves her politically.”

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/13/bil...e_bill_that_fueled_racist_mass_incarceration/

Clinton claims his "tough-on-crime" policies had good effects. Experts say Bill & Hillary "decimated Black America"

Hillary Clinton’s own comments suggest that Bill was misleading in his remarks. She publicly spoke enthusiastically in favor of the legislation at the time, as BuzzFeed has documented, emphasizing that the bill would crack down on crime and increase funding for prisons.

You want more links from pretty much every liberal or left publication?
 
Fuck it, I haven't watched Maher at all since his first fuck up with Milo but I'm fucking done with him (only really watched select youtube clips/highlights from him, but still).
 
Nah, as a French guy who followed the whole thing unfold, I can tell you this.
It was a powerplay to get full reins of the party.
She's craftier than her father on this so it served as a good way to delete all the influence he had in the party.


I'm french too. I know that. It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't due to her beliefs since she defended the very same sentence in Ardisson's show years ago.
 

marrec

Banned
Milo defends pedophilia and Maher still wants to have him back on the show.

Fuck Maher. Any self-proclaimed liberal or Democrat still defending him at this point needs to get their head examined.

Well, I mean, Maher wants to date young women:

"That applies to everybody but me," Maher said with a hint of complaint. "Everybody but a man my age who wants to go out with younger women. That's the last politically incorrect thing you can do in America, and it is not forgiven." He paused. "It would be okay if I came out as gay on my sixtieth birthday," he said, before offering himself a round of mock applause. "Well, fuck you, I'm going to do what my body wants—like everybody else in America."

Soo......
 
You are applying today's view to a society 20 years ago. Now that is really fantastic.



Wait, you really expect people should give status updates on everything they ever said as soon as they change their opinion. Wow, that is some crazy stuff.

I mean you're the one claiming he has a different opinion from the outrageous one he had.

I see no reason to assume he's changed.

That's not moving goalposts, that's digging deeper into the discussion. My point was going to be, if you don't like it, simply change the channel instead of trying to silence him.

What


I did, and no, I guess he didn't. Maybe he will on the next appearance. I'm not for censoring at all, if that's what the main gripe in this thread is.

Censoring what?



I meant censoring as in people not wanting Maher to host Milo again at all. The same with people shitting on Fallon for hosting Trump.

That's ummm not censorship

Certainly not, I definitely worded my post wrong, but if Maher wants to have him on he will. He doesn't seem like the type to bend to criticism.

Of course he will. Doesn't mean he should. It also says a lot about who he is

How about people making false equivalency, do they ever change. Will they not try to make some argument up, to prove something.

It is funny that the left has now adapted right wing tactics so successfully. When they called people traitors, because they burned a flag 20 or 30 years ago. It is crazy how similar both sides have become.

What are you even talking about?

Yes, I know how he is, and yes, I saw the appearance. And yes, he hand-waved Milo's appearance and didn't challenge him like people thought he was going to.

Still, I don't have any issue with having him reappear on his show. It's his choice. Hopefully he'll do something more meaningful next time.

But he you know won't... he's never stopped Coulter or Conway

And of course it's his choice. What kind of explanation/justification is that?


I think he's free to do what he wants as long as HBO is willing to let him. If enough people yank their support for HBO such that they cancel his show then I'm okay with that too. None of that means I support any of what he or Milo is saying on their show.

What an empty statement.
 

Raven117

Gold Member
some speech DOES need to have laws against it, especially the shit Milo says AND does.

Absolutely Not. Free Speech is Free Speech is Free Speech. What part of FREE is not clear?

Besides, the way social media works now...retribution is swift and people can't run from that speech.
 

marrec

Banned
Wait dating somebody younger is the same thing as pedophilia now? So he was right in pretty much everything he said about that.

Nobody is going to flay Maher if he's dating someone half his age. Gossip rags care, but nobody else gives a shit. Not in 2017.

He's clearly talking about something more extreme.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I think he's free to do what he wants as long as HBO is willing to let him. If enough people yank their support for HBO such that they cancel his show then I'm okay with that too. None of that means I support any of what he or Milo is saying on their show.
Again, not giving nazis a platform isn't censorship in any sense of the word. And even if it was considered censorship, censoring this abhorrent piece of shit:
Anti-feminist and all-around misogynist
http://fusion.net/story/220646/the-terrifying-allure-of-gamergate-icon-milo-yiannopoulos/
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Anti-semitic and loves stuff about Nazis
Called a Buzfeed writer a "thick as pig shit media Jew"

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Was named Milo Andreas Wagner before, after the famous anti-semitic composer Richard Wagner
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His poetry book
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Homophobe
www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/02/gay-columnist-claims-he-would-cure-his-homosexuality-if-he-could/
”Evolutionarily-speaking, I'm an outlier... gay people generally test higher for IQ than the rest of the population, and evolutionary biology suggests that people with high IQs tend to engage in dissident or unusual habits and practices in general. People with a very high IQ are more likely to be homosexual... I would say I'm not typical of the bulk of the species. Yes &#8211; I would agree it would be better if I didn't behave like this, and if I could choose to be heterosexual I would do so. If I could choose, I wouldn't be a homosexual. That doesn't make me self-loathing. I don't think it is self-loathing to acknowledge that being a homosexual is obviously a sort of an aberrant sexuality, something that mother nature does on the fringes, nobody really knows why, and it could be an elegant variation in the evolutionary process, it could be all sorts of things."​

Transphobe
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http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/3...nopoulos-goes-on-transphobic-tour-of-america/
Claims transgender people suffer from a "psychiatric disorder" ; ”gay men dressing up for attention"; on gender surgery ”travesty of medicine" and is like "electro-shock therapy to cure homosexuality" ; "makes no apologies for protecting women and children from men who are confused about their sexual identity" ; "women and girls should be protected from having men who are confused about their sexual identities in their bathroom" ; ”there's nothing irrational about fearing trannies, they're f***ing terrifying .... I'm serious! They're so scary!" ; ”Trannies can never be women, or men for the small slice of women insane enough to desire to give up female privilege" ; ”Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person...It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal...Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life".

Loves conducting harassment campaigns
Racist harassment of Leslie Jones
Trans people
Immigrant students, wanted to conduct the campaign to get them deported before he cancelled his Berkeley talk
The letter expressed concerns that Yiannopoulos &#8212; a British writer for the right-wing opinion site Breitbart News &#8212; will use his appearance to kick off a campaign ”targeting the undocumented student community on our campus," and linked to an article published Tuesday on the site.

The article begins: ”Milo and the (conservative think tank) David Horowitz Freedom Center have teamed up to take down the growing phenomenon of &#8216;sanctuary campuses' that shelter illegal immigrants from being deported."

The UC Berkeley letter warns the Republican hosts of the event that Yiannopoulos could target individual students &#8212; holding up their photos or revealing personal information about them &#8212; during the speech that will be live-streamed, ”putting students at risk."
”Other targeted groups on our campus have experienced Horowitz' tactic of publicizing the names and pictures of individuals on posters throughout campus property, and there is a likelihood that there will be Horowitz-backed posters pasted throughout our campus," the letter said.

It continues: ”Backed by the Freedom Center (Yiannopoulos) will call for the withdrawal of federal grants and the prosecution of university officials who endanger their students with their policies, starting with UC President and former Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano and Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks."​

Sex with minors is a good thing, a "coming of age relationship"
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833347036644777985
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833485040944156673

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJhHwspZGcg

so that millions of people may actually have less chance of being persecuted against, is a good thing.

Absolutely Not. Free Speech is Free Speech is Free Speech. What part of FREE is not clear?

Besides, the way social media works now...retribution is swift and people can't run from that speech.
Except that free speech does not include a right to go on national television to spout transphobia. Why is it that free speech only comes into play whenever people wanna defend the right to spew hate speech?
 
Bill Maher has been toxic scum for ages and ages. He's gotten a pass for years because of his position as the loudest and most mainstream atheist that a disenfranchised population could identify with.But his anti-intellectual streak and general cognitive dissonance shows that his atheism rose from anything but logic and reason. He's a guy who lacks all self-awareness and gets a high off saying things that he perceives as against the grain and will make him seem enlightened.

He is substance-less and vile.
 

Deepwater

Member
Absolutely Not. Free Speech is Free Speech is Free Speech. What part of FREE is not clear?

Besides, the way social media works now...retribution is swift and people can't run from that speech.

every time people talk about free speech they should sign their posts with "1st Amendment" or "free speech as a concept" because it would save you about 5 sets of replies on both sides
 

Trokil

Banned
Nobody is going to flay Maher if he's dating someone half his age. Gossip rags care, but nobody else gives a shit. Not in 2017.

He's clearly talking about something more extreme.

Oh please there are more than enough people out there who hate men who date way younger women on both sides of the political spectrum.
 
https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/20...ple-posters/4f3Fp8gRgDXCd5Xtreq2QN/story.html

As far as those Sharia Law surveys go, are you really surprised that Muslims living in countries with a large Muslim majority responded positively to the idea of Sharia law? Don't confuse that with the idea that Muslims all over the world are a hivemind that wants to overthrow the legal systems in Western Europe and the USA.

Hell, look at the figures in more western countries with Muslim majorities like Bosnia and Turkey, or Lebanon with a better standard of education than most of the other places surveyed. It's almost like socio-economic factors play a massive part in people's attitudes, rather than it being a binary "Are you a Muslim?" issue.

Of course that's too complicated for a spiteful dipshit like Maher, just like the idea that smoking weed and inviting Snoop and Mos Def on your show doesn't make him black enough to say nigger.
That's a good point, you have to know sharia before equating it to all anti-Western ideologies but Maher doesn't seem to do that, as he projects Sharia as a threat to the west like the average thought and frames it as something to be scared about with those polls.

Also thanks for the link, I'm reading it now
 

Raven117

Gold Member
every time people talk about free speech they should sign their posts with "1st Amendment" or "free speech as a concept" because it would save you about 5 sets of replies on both sides

I meant it directly in response to the poster I cited saying LAWS. Because that is directly implicating the 1st/14th Amendment. I'm well aware of both the legal and conceptual implications of "Free Speech."

Edit: But you are right though. haha
 

Nepenthe

Member
Have some of you lost your fucking minds?

Why are people who are fine with Milo getting on our talk shows under the impression that he's going on them because he has an interest in being swayed? Why do people think Milo is in any way not doing this in order to spread his brand of bullshit and/or earn more money? Why do you guys keep thinking these kinds of people are sincere?

This is how the right keeps taking advantage of us.
 
Oh please there are more than enough people out there who hate men who date way younger women on both sides of the political spectrum.
In what world? Last time I checked a ton of older men date young women and nobody gives a shit. Sure, there might be some questions about why they are together (money, looks), but to say that it is some kind of problem these men would face is a very strange view to hold.
 

marrec

Banned
Oh please there are more than enough people out there who hate men who date way younger women on both sides of the political spectrum.

Really? I ain't seen anyone care at all about that shit for a hot minute.

Also, comparing it to coming out as gay (as he did, in his quote)? That's a common line of argument for ephebophiles. You always hear that shit from them.

Mahar clearly wants to bone some 15 y/o girls. Dude's basically a /pol/ poster with a TV show at this point.
 

cromofo

Member
Then, to me, the follow up from "Islam has issues with sexism, terrorism, human rights abuses, etc" (if that is an existing critique) to "I have issues with the Muslims that are propagating this sexism, terrorism, and human rights abuses" is acknowledging the role of individuals in this system

But not every Muslim is doing that. In fact, in regards to terrorism, Muslims are the #1 fighters against islamic terrorism (as well as the #1 victims of it). There are only certain minority of Muslims that are doing that. There are Muslims who are advocates of feminism and human right advocates. Most Muslims are not advocates of chopping people's heads for sacrilege or blowing up pop concerts abroad.

My point, anyway, is that you must always deal with a heavy case of nuance when talking about it and not approach the conversation with indictments rather than attempts to understand and gain broader perspective. In general on here, I see "critiques" of Islam (disguised as critiques on religion in general) as broad indictments with no nuance or an attempt to empathize with the actual practitioners who are by far and large decent human beings (as much as the rest of us claim to be anyways). Are there a significant number of Muslims who perpetuate these horrible systems and institutions? Of course, bad people are always in supply. But we should measure our rhetoric because it's not cut and dry. People like Maher don't do that.

I think the way to go on is to help Muslims reform and change those bad systems that are hurting them and everyone else.

One of the issues I have with seeing a resolution to this is that even tho Islam is tied to Muslims obviously, Islam is still an ideology and people can say Islam is peaceful and good, but in theory everything might sound fine and dandy, while not so much in practice; because of human nature.

It all comes down to bad people and the susceptibility of an ideology to those people. Islam looks to be more susceptible, as a result of numerous factors(poverty, unrest, education etc.) that have been mellowed down in some other religions. That mellowing down part has to be supported and encouraged.
 

Trokil

Banned
Really? I ain't seen anyone care at all about that shit for a hot minute.

Also, comparing it to coming out as gay (as he did, in his quote)? That's a common line of argument for ephebophiles. You always hear that shit from them.

Mahar clearly wants to bone some 15 y/o girls. Dude's basically a /pol/ poster with a TV show at this point.

you've gotta be kidding me
 
People who are contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian strike me as people who never developed mentally past their rebellious teenage years.
 

marrec

Banned
You got to be kidding.

Literally no one cares if some 61 year old fuck with money is fucking a 25 y/o model.

Like, we imagine Mahar as some family man or something, some virtuous pillar of traditional values. :lol

Why else would he bring it up the way he did? Dudes grossss af and has a persecution complex about how grossss af he is.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
I watch Maher when he has an interesting panel, not for him. His position on several topics are contrary to the science (anti-vaccer while being pro-circumcision? One has overwhelming scientific support, the other is a mixed bag at best) he claims to abide by. Quite biased.


His jokes where he has to pause and give the audience the "please laugh, I'm begging you" look are also very cringey.
 
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