randomengine
Banned
Hell, cut out the middle man and have Comstock cut his own pinkie off with a tear either by the Luteces or his own "daughter". He might even be able to find a way to prevent his own death.
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Bioshock Infinite | Official Spoiler Thread |
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Hell, cut out the middle man and have Comstock cut his own pinkie off with a tear either by the Luteces or his own "daughter". He might even be able to find a way to prevent his own death.
Has anyone made an attempt to find the same sound effect in other areas of Bioshock 1? I thought it might have just been an effect they originally used to scary-up the ambiance, and then realized it made a good bird scream when they were making Infinite.
The way she was parted, she has some agency over her powers, but that agency doesn't develop in earnest until she has her first period, as indicated on the growth chart in the lab where we see her power levels spiked like 1000%. As an infant, there was no such risk; she was not yet mature enough to trigger her powers on the scale she can as a young adult.
Voice of Reason
Banned
You're moving from one point to another, desperately trying to grasp on a valid one. Unfortunately, this doesn't work either, because I'm sure Elizabeth's studying on quantum mechanics lead to her being able to open these tears. She couldn't just open them up willy-nilly as a kid.
EDIT:I also forgot about the power charts. Thanks Neiteio.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Out of interest, have you played and completed the game?
Her age could've been a factor too, after all she grew up while "split" between dimensions. I like that they keep it a bit mysterious.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Agreed. Any single explanation would always come up short.
randomengine
Banned
Yep and I now remember the menarche part, which explains she grew into her powers after puberty, but why would space-time or her body care about either her finger or her period, makes no sense to me.
At the end of the day, I can easily accept the notion that an accident gave her powers. And the fact is, an accident involving time-space giving one fantastical powers is a much easier pill for me to swallow than anything involving powers from gamma radiation. Marvel Comics would not hold up nearly so well under intense scrutiny.
Voice of Reason
Banned
It's silly that he brought those up as solid justifications of one's power.
Him mentioning Marvel Comics as his baseline for good science fiction explanations kind of invalidates his critique, imo, but he's still entitled to an opinion and the right to express it and be treated respectfully.
I felt they were like Elizabeth's powers taken to a completely different level. Where as Liz just had a pinkie left in another dimension, their machine blowing up likely scattered assorted body parts to multiple dimensions...possibly all of them.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Did you enjoy it?
What are you talking about? Radioactive spider bites are perfectly plausible.
Conciliator
Banned
I'm sure someone has explained this, but why is it that when you kill Comstock he acts like he was expecting it/planning it? He says 'the cycle is complete' or something and be acting all smug. I know he's willing to sacrifice himself as long Elizabeth turns out he planned, but at that point it looks like it's not happening his way in that particular universe, right?
thebaroness
Member
I agree as well. I just finished it, and while I wholly enjoyed the game, I really felt it dragged in the middle. In Finkton doing the Chen Lin stuff, I was not into the game. When it got to the "oh now we have to go get his tools back!" I just rolled my eyes and groaned.
I had a few problems with the differences between the final game and what was teased in 2011. I was really looking forward to doing combos and actual team up work with Elizabeth I thought it was going to be a really intuitive co-op A.I. character. During combat she was demoted to not much more than an items dispenser.
I had a few problems with the differences between the final game and what was teased in 2011. I was really looking forward to doing combos and actual team up work with Elizabeth
I thought it was going to be a really intuitive co-op A.I. character. During combat she was demoted to not much more than an items dispenser.Because killing Comstock there doesn't actually fix anything, and Comstock knew that.
Jest Chillin
Member
Actually everything happens as he's seen it at that point. What he didn't see was his preferred future Elizabeth pulling Booker into her timeline and giving him the code to give to his Elizabeth. Without that code, the Song Bird defeats/kills Booker and Elizabeth fulfills the prophecy.
Conciliator
Banned
I think I understand, thanks.
thebaroness
Member
The reasoning for the pinky being related to Elizabeth's powers was just a hypothesis by Lutece. It's not cold hard fact within the game's logic, and not something Comstock KNEW he could just recreate/do to create the powers for himself. I like to believe Elizabeth's powers were granted to her by the universe to correct the paradoxical split timelines.
Honestly, it is really that hard to believe in a fictional game where there's a floating city?
They are the "ghosts in the machine", the "x factor", "free radicals", etc.
See: Gollum.
thebaroness
Member
The things in the tubes were just significant items she interacted with throughout her life. The whole experiments conducted within the tower was created to suppress her powers, least she become as omnipotent and powerful as she did at the very end.
lutece's "theories" are presented as theories but as a video game, specifically a bioshock game you're supposed to take it as fact.
its irrelevant though. having your body be in two universes is how the power happens. Elizabeth is the only person it has happened to and will ever happen to so it doesnt matter how overpowered it is.
Conciliator
Banned
Oooo, that's fuckin interesting.
thebaroness
Member
Yeah, considering Columbia razed Peking to the ground in Comstock's timeline and not Booker's, it's kind of surprising Booker had zero reaction to finding out about it.
spandexmonkey
Banned
That whole section feels sloppy. Fink and Fitzroy needed more development, instead their departure feels sudden.
28 Posts Later
Member
I believe it's because he basically drowned a different Universe's version of himself. He didn't do anything to stop himself existing; at that point he and Comstock are different people moulded from the same template.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
They are vast hyper intelligent pan dimensional beings.
You get ten internet points for the classy reference.
Bingo.
I just wanted to say how much I liked the Lutece "twins." Their snappy, witty and snarky dialogue. The way they politely bicker with each other. The fact they're the same person and yet it seems that Robert has more of a conscience than Rosalind. Jennifer Hale does a good British accent, too.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
The test tubes each had items that were of significant importance to her. By pulling on the lever you got a glimpse of how they would change to the Elizabeth in other realities as it simulated a tear.
The music that accompanied their arrival, and their witty dialogue. Yeah they were wonderful.
neoism
Member
thanks
kinda wish Booker had taken the finger and put it in a box somewhere.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
This.
-The City uses balloons and propellers instead of those weird quantum whatevers to float
-No Songbird, the handyman juxtaposition with the big daddy has to be intentional
-Whats up with Elizabeths powers? She has Bucking Bronco?
It's totally different than the actual game, and the actual game has a lot of those explained with story elements.
Might have been mentioned before, but even if the Booker in the post-credits scene recalls the events of Infinite, dude still apparently owes a lot of money to the wrong kinds of people, maybe going back to alcohol and more gambling as a way to cope.
I think you have to look at it from the perspective of Elizabeth.
This man, who is your father, who you begin to become attached to, not only gave up you for money just to pay off a gambling debt as a little baby...which lead her to be locked in a cage for 19 years of her life, constantly be studied and experimented on like a lab rat...never getting to experience a childhood, never getting to experience love, never getting to experience anything except the plethora of books in her study.
Now, when a man comes 19 years later, who has come to "rescue" her..his only motivation, once again to pay off a gambling debt....and happens to once again be her father.
Put yourself in Elizabeth shoes. How would you handle it? What would there be to talk about?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Holy shit the Infinite name makes sense now.
He just killed an entire army of men and deadly machines, I can't imagine who he could possibly owe money to that would give him pause.
Elizabeth starts the game somewhat naive and full of wonder and finishes the game in a very dark place. She's burdened with having murdered Fitzroy, with having been tortured by Comstock, with having killed the Songbird, with having seen the terrible side of life in Columbia for the weak and oppressed as well as the aftermath of the Vox revolution, with the confrontation with her 'mother', and with coming to terms with who and what she is.
When you first encounter here she is bright and fresh faced, by the end she's world weary with dark circles around her eyes. She's been through and seen some shit. And I think she comes to realize that she has fulfilled her purpose and that with her tremendous powers that she can never have a normal life nor will the world be safe with her around.
FaustsBoon
Member
So... I know people are very high on BS:I right now, and thus this won't be a popular opinion... but I feel like it was a bunch of pretentious wankery that is only being lauded as genius because our medium has so few "big budget" examples of real avante garde thinking/narrative.
The entire Rapture bit felt like pandering, and worse, felt like a self-aware Ken Levine recognizing that he has been telling the exact same story, moderately well, for more than a decade now.
In the realm if "multiple-world-theory" themed sci-fi, this is merely "me too" fiction, and as a commentary on player agency it is Levine repeating himself, while his betters have moved on and are working on ways where player agency PRECISELY means something to building a shared post-modern story between author and player.
Ironically, I got Spec Ops for free preordering this, and felt it was a massively superior exercise in game narrative. And hell... it even had pop songs in it too.
Bioshock Infinite has about the same appeal as the God-awful film, The Butterfly Effect, and is only held to a different standard as it it a video-game.
Edit: Or Donnie Darko (also ironically with a Tears for Fears cover) now that I think about it. In fact the more I think about Infinite's ending the less impressed I am.
The entire Rapture bit felt like pandering, and worse, felt like a self-aware Ken Levine recognizing that he has been telling the exact same story, moderately well, for more than a decade now.
In the realm if "multiple-world-theory" themed sci-fi, this is merely "me too" fiction, and as a commentary on player agency it is Levine repeating himself, while his betters have moved on and are working on ways where player agency PRECISELY means something to building a shared post-modern story between author and player.
Ironically, I got Spec Ops for free preordering this, and felt it was a massively superior exercise in game narrative. And hell... it even had pop songs in it too.
Bioshock Infinite has about the same appeal as the God-awful film, The Butterfly Effect, and is only held to a different standard as it it a video-game.
Edit: Or Donnie Darko (also ironically with a Tears for Fears cover) now that I think about it. In fact the more I think about Infinite's ending the less impressed I am.