1999 isn't too bad so far. Now that I know the combat flow and everything it's much easier than I found Hard out of the gate to be since that was my first exposure to the game. I was glad I dropped it down to Medium for the first play through but 1999 has been fun so far. I was afraid it would be brutal skipping Hard and going to 1999. The ridiculous amount of bonus gear that I have from the Season Pass and the preorder game helps too :lol
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Bioshock Infinite |OT| No Gods, Kings, or Irrational Games
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HueyFreeman
Banned
As usual, you're a boss, Andrew.
You really can't use the checkpoint system in 1999 though - it's soooo financially punishing, God.
Completed it on '99 mode yesterday, and disregarding the LOL worthy finale and overall plot, the game as a whole is a steaming pile of wasted ambition and compromised gameplay philosophies. Overall, the running theme with the game's gameplay design seems to be "lets take control out of the players hand, and do it for them -- because they aren't smart enough to handle that themselves!".
The gameplay as a whole is so fundamentally flawed I can't believe anyone can praise it at all, much less proclaim it as something better than its predecessor(s) in any way, shape, or form. The base gameplay is a really dumbed down and CoD-ified copy of BioShock 2, which takes all the flaws inherent in it and introduces a metric s***-ton more of them--all the while fixing none of the problems from before, and in the end you're left with a game with no real gameplay identity. Rather, what's left is a relatively poor mish-mash of CoD, Half-Life, and BioShock 2. Lets run down some of the changes and their problems:
Going full circle and removing essentially all the depth from the game that Bio1 somehow left unscathed from SS2, and totally destroyed the awesome gameplay that was found in Bio2. There is now 8 plasmids, a 2 weapon carry limit, no alt ammo, and effectively full regen health. Bio2's gameplay was balanced around keeping you out of cover by utilizing not only on-command-use medpacks, but also giving you several support tier plasmids and tonics to help recover your health and provide you with a strategically planned defense. BSI removes pretty much all of these, and replaces them with Elizabeth's tears (elizabtih spawning a decoy replaced the decoy plasmid, elizabith spawning flying turrets replaced the spawn turrets plasmid, etc.) which can only be used situationally rather than on command, like in Bio2. They also removed on-command med and mana packs, replacing them with elizabeth throwing you med packs or mana packs when she feels like it. Which frankly, both suck ass, and makes what was once a really fun and engaging combat system into a game of luck.. Other problems stem from them devaluing alternate gameplay builds entirely for a modern FPS style "everyone experiences everything exactly the same, or slightly different" philosophy. Pure melee builds are no longer viable at all, neither are pure support classes. Instead what's left are 6 physical and 2 support plasmids, all of which are essentially less precise, retooled versions of what was already there in Bio2. There are more issues like the shield system with no on-command med packs breaking the flow of combat and turning it into an elaborate game of hide-and-seek due to all the hitscan based enemies (like 90% of them, ugh....), removing hacking in place of pointless Elizabeth insertion, and the flat out broken checkpoint system, but those essentially either speak for themselves, or flow back into what I've already said.
"Mole's ass" aka Molasses movement speed is another thing. This a relatively minor and extremely annoying quip on its own, but added in with the rest of the crap (particularly, the new health system) it makes the gameplay rote and essentially turns the game into CoD with spells.
Overall, it's worse than Bio1 in pretty much every way. If Bio1 was a 7/10, I'd say this would be a 6.5 or so.
EDIT: Also what the fucking fuck is wrong with the checkpoint system?! I got three total in the last 9 hours of playtime, and two of those were virtually back to back. I lost 1 1/2 hours of playtime once due to a power outage and nearly snapped the disc in half
The gameplay as a whole is so fundamentally flawed I can't believe anyone can praise it at all, much less proclaim it as something better than its predecessor(s) in any way, shape, or form. The base gameplay is a really dumbed down and CoD-ified copy of BioShock 2, which takes all the flaws inherent in it and introduces a metric s***-ton more of them--all the while fixing none of the problems from before, and in the end you're left with a game with no real gameplay identity. Rather, what's left is a relatively poor mish-mash of CoD, Half-Life, and BioShock 2. Lets run down some of the changes and their problems:
Going full circle and removing essentially all the depth from the game that Bio1 somehow left unscathed from SS2, and totally destroyed the awesome gameplay that was found in Bio2. There is now 8 plasmids, a 2 weapon carry limit, no alt ammo, and effectively full regen health. Bio2's gameplay was balanced around keeping you out of cover by utilizing not only on-command-use medpacks, but also giving you several support tier plasmids and tonics to help recover your health and provide you with a strategically planned defense. BSI removes pretty much all of these, and replaces them with Elizabeth's tears (elizabtih spawning a decoy replaced the decoy plasmid, elizabith spawning flying turrets replaced the spawn turrets plasmid, etc.) which can only be used situationally rather than on command, like in Bio2. They also removed on-command med and mana packs, replacing them with elizabeth throwing you med packs or mana packs when she feels like it. Which frankly, both suck ass, and makes what was once a really fun and engaging combat system into a game of luck.. Other problems stem from them devaluing alternate gameplay builds entirely for a modern FPS style "everyone experiences everything exactly the same, or slightly different" philosophy. Pure melee builds are no longer viable at all, neither are pure support classes. Instead what's left are 6 physical and 2 support plasmids, all of which are essentially less precise, retooled versions of what was already there in Bio2. There are more issues like the shield system with no on-command med packs breaking the flow of combat and turning it into an elaborate game of hide-and-seek due to all the hitscan based enemies (like 90% of them, ugh....), removing hacking in place of pointless Elizabeth insertion, and the flat out broken checkpoint system, but those essentially either speak for themselves, or flow back into what I've already said.
"Mole's ass" aka Molasses movement speed is another thing. This a relatively minor and extremely annoying quip on its own, but added in with the rest of the crap (particularly, the new health system) it makes the gameplay rote and essentially turns the game into CoD with spells.
Overall, it's worse than Bio1 in pretty much every way. If Bio1 was a 7/10, I'd say this would be a 6.5 or so.
EDIT: Also what the fucking fuck is wrong with the checkpoint system?! I got three total in the last 9 hours of playtime, and two of those were virtually back to back. I lost 1 1/2 hours of playtime once due to a power outage and nearly snapped the disc in half
Ive died a bunch of times in 99 no bullshit, but Ive reloaded the checkpoint every single time. Seriously, you cant afford not to (if you play with no Dolla Dollas). I love it personally.
It teaches you to get better at the game and think about your attack strategy. In the end, isn't that what we all want instead of any sort of fucking cakewalk?
Voice of Reason
Banned
Is every FPS nowadays a COD clone? I'm sick and tired of hearing that baseless comparison.Completed it on '99 mode yesterday, and disregarding the LOL worthy finale and overall plot, the game as a whole is a steaming pile of wasted ambition and compromised gameplay philosophies. Overall, the running theme with the game's gameplay design seems to be "lets take control out of the players hand, and do it for them -- because they aren't smart enough to handle that themselves!".
The gameplay as a whole is so fundamentally flawed I can't believe anyone can praise it at all, much less proclaim it as something better than its predecessor(s) in any way, shape, or form. The base gameplay is a really dumbed down and CoD-ified copy of BioShock 2, which takes all the flaws inherent in it and introduces a metric s***-ton more of them--all the while fixing none of the problems from before, and in the end you're left with a game with no real gameplay identity. Rather, what's left is a relatively poor mish-mash of CoD, Half-Life, and BioShock 2. Lets run down some of the changes and their problems:
Going full circle and removing essentially all the depth from the game that Bio1 somehow left unscathed from SS2, and totally destroyed the awesome gameplay that was found in Bio2. There is now 8 plasmids, a 2 weapon carry limit, no alt ammo, and effectively full regen health. Bio2's gameplay was balanced around keeping you out of cover by utilizing not only on-command-use medpacks, but also giving you several support tier plasmids and tonics to help recover your health and provide you with a strategically planned defense. BSI removes pretty much all of these, and replaces them with Elizabeth's tears (elizabtih spawning a decoy replaced the decoy plasmid, elizabith spawning flying turrets replaced the spawn turrets plasmid, etc.) which can only be used situationally rather than on command, like in Bio2. They also removed on-command med and mana packs, replacing them with elizabeth throwing you med packs or mana packs when she feels like it. Which frankly, both suck ass, and makes what was once a really fun and engaging combat system into a game of luck.. Other problems stem from them devaluing alternate gameplay builds entirely for a modern FPS style "everyone experiences everything exactly the same, or slightly different" philosophy. Pure melee builds are no longer viable at all, neither are pure support classes. Instead what's left are 6 physical and 2 support plasmids, all of which are essentially less precise, retooled versions of what was already there in Bio2. There are more issues like the shield system with no on-command med packs breaking the flow of combat and turning it into an elaborate game of hide-and-seek due to all the hitscan based enemies (like 90% of them, ugh....), removing hacking in place of pointless Elizabeth insertion, and the flat out broken checkpoint system, but those essentially either speak for themselves, or flow back into what I've already said.
"Mole's ass" aka Molasses movement speed is another thing. This a relatively minor and extremely annoying quip on its own, but added in with the rest of the crap (particularly, the new health system) it makes the gameplay rote and essentially turns the game into CoD with spells.
Overall, it's worse than Bio1 in pretty much every way. If Bio1 was a 7/10, I'd say this would be a 6.5 or so.
EDIT: Also what the fucking fuck is wrong with the checkpoint system?! I got three total in the last 9 hours of playtime, and two of those were virtually back to back. I lost 1 1/2 hours of playtime once due to a power outage and nearly snapped the disc in half
Actually, I found they give you plenty of money... Even in 1999 I was never starved of cash to reload. Though I didn't die very often. Going through the game twice previously, I pretty much knew where all the loot was though.
I couldn't reload checkpoints for aforementioned reasons, and never really had a problem with cash on '99 mode. I finished the game with like 1500$ to spare too, meh.
The only fight that really gave me any trouble was
the first fight with lady comstock
It's hardly baseless when the game goes virtually out of its way to emulate it.
Which is why Ive been in constant avoidance of it tonight.
The economy doesn't take too long to break itself. I ended the game with an absurd amount of lockpicks, after the first 2-3 areas where there are doors requiring lockpicks and safes using even more it was never something to even think about. It is weird how they hand packs of them out like candy at a certain point.
Square Triangle
Member
After finishing it, and being so god damn pleased with this game. I ordered the Songbird edition off Amazon. I told myself I wouldn't buy it months ago, but this game..
THIS GAME.
THIS GAME.
Yeah, this too. I ended the game with maxed lock-picks, lol.
Square Triangle
Member
Completed it on '99 mode yesterday, and disregarding the LOL worthy finale and overall plot, the game as a whole is a steaming pile of wasted ambition and compromised gameplay philosophies. Overall, the running theme with the game's gameplay design seems to be "lets take control out of the players hand, and do it for them -- because they aren't smart enough to handle that themselves!".
The gameplay as a whole is so fundamentally flawed I can't believe anyone can praise it at all, much less proclaim it as something better than its predecessor(s) in any way, shape, or form. The base gameplay is a really dumbed down and CoD-ified copy of BioShock 2, which takes all the flaws inherent in it and introduces a metric s***-ton more of them--all the while fixing none of the problems from before, and in the end you're left with a game with no real gameplay identity. Rather, what's left is a relatively poor mish-mash of CoD, Half-Life, and BioShock 2. Lets run down some of the changes and their problems:
Going full circle and removing essentially all the depth from the game that Bio1 somehow left unscathed from SS2, and totally destroyed the awesome gameplay that was found in Bio2. There is now 8 plasmids, a 2 weapon carry limit, no alt ammo, and effectively full regen health. Bio2's gameplay was balanced around keeping you out of cover by utilizing not only on-command-use medpacks, but also giving you several support tier plasmids and tonics to help recover your health and provide you with a strategically planned defense. BSI removes pretty much all of these, and replaces them with Elizabeth's tears (elizabtih spawning a decoy replaced the decoy plasmid, elizabith spawning flying turrets replaced the spawn turrets plasmid, etc.) which can only be used situationally rather than on command, like in Bio2. They also removed on-command med and mana packs, replacing them with elizabeth throwing you med packs or mana packs when she feels like it. Which frankly, both suck ass, and makes what was once a really fun and engaging combat system into a game of luck.. Other problems stem from them devaluing alternate gameplay builds entirely for a modern FPS style "everyone experiences everything exactly the same, or slightly different" philosophy. Pure melee builds are no longer viable at all, neither are pure support classes. Instead what's left are 6 physical and 2 support plasmids, all of which are essentially less precise, retooled versions of what was already there in Bio2. There are more issues like the shield system with no on-command med packs breaking the flow of combat and turning it into an elaborate game of hide-and-seek due to all the hitscan based enemies (like 90% of them, ugh....), removing hacking in place of pointless Elizabeth insertion, and the flat out broken checkpoint system, but those essentially either speak for themselves, or flow back into what I've already said.
"Mole's ass" aka Molasses movement speed is another thing. This a relatively minor and extremely annoying quip on its own, but added in with the rest of the crap (particularly, the new health system) it makes the gameplay rote and essentially turns the game into CoD with spells.
Overall, it's worse than Bio1 in pretty much every way. If Bio1 was a 7/10, I'd say this would be a 6.5 or so.
EDIT: Also what the fucking fuck is wrong with the checkpoint system?! I got three total in the last 9 hours of playtime, and two of those were virtually back to back. I lost 1 1/2 hours of playtime once due to a power outage and nearly snapped the disc in half
A whole .5 of a difference eh, IGN?
Not exactly. Searching at least semi half assedly gives you some, if that.
There was a pack of them I found hidden in a fucking wastebasket
"CoD clone" is usually stand-in for "modern FPS." But some significant aesthetic things in Infinite like iron sights and hitmarkers are CoD hallmarks.
Pure no weapons melee build is the easiest built in the game. In fact, it completely trivializes every encounter once you have it, regardless of difficulty. Just blew through the end of hard using charge with both upgrades, burning halo, blood to salt, vampire's embrace, and brittle skinned. You literally just charge and melee everything in sight until its all dead.
A lot of them are well hidden, it's just odd how prevalent they got. I was secretly hoping for some absurb ~20 lockpick doors that are packed to the brim with guns and salts to reward the super scavengers.
20 lockpicks? In a Bioshock game? This isnt fucking Final Fantasy.
Exactly what I usually did. Also good with the Vampire's Embrace gear so you can get some health out of it.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I think "chapters" are just the last five checkpoints, so if you load one it becomes the latest, the one you are now becomes the second and you have to go to chapters again to access it.
edit: people don't like Return to Sender? the only way I can wrap my head around that is disliking it because of how OP it is.
A lock so beastly it puts Cloud's sword to shame!
You don't get Return to Sender until
Emporia, which is about 70% into the game.
In my opinion, every Vigor was useful.
I totally heard that in one of the dollar machine voices.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Not quoting the whole post as you spoiled a lot of stuff unmarked. Not sure why you didn't just keep this discussion in the spoiler thread other than to ruin it for others.
On that note I'm out of this thread. I was going to discuss some early game things and impressions as I went through the game but its not safe.
Bump.
Just finished this, absolutely incredible. I cannot see a universe
where this doesn't win game of the year.
Really not sure I'm gonna play through in 1999 mode as I was originally planning since that final fight is pretty frustrating and I can't imagine how much harder it is in 1999.
Anyways incredible work Irrational.
Lighthouse?
Really not sure I'm gonna play through in 1999 mode as I was originally planning since that final fight is pretty frustrating and I can't imagine how much harder it is in 1999.
Anyways incredible work Irrational.
Thats the only one. Youre still a good person.
it shouldn't matter how long you take. in fact, i suggest you take your time so you can really take in the environments.
for comparison though, i beat it in about 7 hours. but that's because i was rushing! don't be me!
Everything has been great, but that triple fight and one other section were such a drag for me.
The whole gunsmith section in Fink is the other. Where you're going back and forth through different tears and returning back to the gunsmith like four times before he finally ends up dead. Just like he was an hour earlier when you started running around Fink's area. Did not enjoy that.
The story is picking up, though. Some of the implications of it are starting to blow my mind.
"Oh girls, just want to have fun."
Yes.
of course yes.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
It's prettier.
I don't know about better.
Posts like this baffle me. Why do you even need to ask? You have what you call a gaming laptop. You know what your laptop is capable of doing performance wise. You have a 360 and you know what it's capable of performance wise.
PC versions generally are stronger from a graphics and framerate perspective than consoles.
Yet we still get posts like this and threads about it.
MagnetoWned
Member
OH MY GOD
HOW LONG IS THIS FUCKING FINAL BATTLE
I LITERALLY SPENT 40 MINUTES FIGHTING ONLY TO HAVE THE
HOW LONG IS THIS FUCKING BATTLE HODONFDGONFGODNFDGONGOF
HOW LONG IS THIS FUCKING FINAL BATTLE
I LITERALLY SPENT 40 MINUTES FIGHTING ONLY TO HAVE THE
CORE DESTROYED
HOW LONG IS THIS FUCKING BATTLE HODONFDGONFGODNFDGONGOF
RobotMafia
Banned
I like riding the rails. I never played the early demo/early builds are people saying its scaled down or not as good in the final version?
SegaManAU
Gold Member
It shouldn't take that long...probably 20 mins.
There is a walk through on IGN if you need some assistance.
The Xtortionist
Member
There's plenty of combat involving skylines in the final game, they just aren't as grand in scale as in the demo. Still a blast though.
I had some niggling issues with that as well. I would clearly hold the button down over the target, and nothing would happen which led to taking unneeded damage. I've also had this happen with Vigors on occassion, my crows and shock jockey had zero effect on an enemy right in front of my on a few occasions.
Make sure you take the Zepplins out, or else enemies will keep coming.
well for what it's worth no one was able to play those early demo rails. it was all scripted anyway so i think the limited current gen hardware thwarted them to push towards where they wanted to go with the rail battles.
Incendiary
Banned
Rails riding is pretty linear for the most part really.
Man...if this game was made for next gen, traversing between different parts of Columbia ala open world would've been possible.
me too, some crazy ass lock or safe.